Is there a safe dosage for Dianabol or Anadrol?

Has anyone had experience with Estrandon or combining test. and estradoil (patches) to lessen the virilization?

The cycles were putting together now look like:

Conservative: Anavar 4wks, Deca 6wks, Primo 8wks Middle: Anavar, Deca, Sost, Estradoil Heavy: Anavar, Sost, Equi, Estradoil, Finasteride

Each cycle includes insulin and perhaps HGH if budget allows. Most of the injectables are about 100mg/wk except the primo, 200mg/wk.
Thx 100CB B-)

The most important aspect of using roids is the dose. Take sust for example. 1/2cc everyother week is very mild (in general for most women) But boost it up to 1cc every week and now you have some hard core test in the blood.

You should look into Masteron, at the USA's I had the pleasure of spending a few days with the heavy weight winner and she "suggested" that this might be a good item to look into - not that she had any first hand experience mind you Just make damn sure it's real.

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I'm looking to find as much info as possible on women using so my g/f can make an educated choice. Most of the ppl on boards just post replies like, 'women should only diet while using clen and t3'.

I need to go looking for the posts but I think Snow White on UG was using Anadrol...

Here's the info on Estrandon:
This injectable steroid is a mix of three different testosterone esters and a smaller portion of estradiol, a female sex hormone. The testosterone composition of Estandron is similar to that found in Sustanon but contains one less testosterone substance (Testosterone decanoate). The steroid developed by Organon Company is a combination of androgens/estrogens which in school medicine is used in the treatment of climacteric disorders (various physical conditions occuring in women in menopause) and of osteoporosis.

The antagonistic (contrasting) sexual effects are distinct. To get the facts straight: the estradiol included in Estandr6n neutralizes the androgenic effect of the three testosterone esters, thereby reducing or avoiding androgenic-caused masculinization symptoms in women.

In the U.S., there are several drugs with a composition similar to Estandr6n. We would like to mention, for example, the Depo-Testadiol compound by the Schein Company which contains 50 mg Testosterone cypionate and 2 mg estradiol per ml.

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You just have to decide how much you're willing to tolerate virilizing sides vs. how much size you want to put on.

Body comp'd a female recently using 50 mg test propionate 2x/wk and 100 mg EQ per week. Growin like a weed in late spring. But sides like increased hair and clit growth, some deepening of the voice and mild acne are evident.

Do you think the female you mentioned that was seeing increased hair/clit growth/voice @100mg prop and 100mg EQ is typical? Does the EQ have the same sides as Deca?

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The female I described; this was her first cycle. I wouldn't say the sides are excessive or unexpected with those drugs and doses, but they are there if you know what you're looking for. Time will tell as to the level they progress.

Regarding the Deca vs EQ, I'd say the sides (virilizing) are similar, perhaps slightly less with EQ. Deca causes more water retention in my opinion.

What do you think Lobo?

One of these days we need to work out the dosing pattern of primo to keep a consistent level - sort of like that sust excel spread sheet.

This is one reason why I also think winny can be successful (if it don't bite your ass), is it's short half live. As well as the test we've used in the past.

Now don't get me wrong, deca does have it's uses, it's just VERY important that one knows the net build up effects over the cycle. Snow and I have talked much on this and she has that deca dose for her down pat.

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I'm a little confused, I read in one post women can stay on a very low dosage of Primo. without much sides?????? (50mg)
(maybe I miss understood that other post)

Thanks

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I forgot about searching for Artemis's threads but now that I have I don't seem to be able to find your stuff on test + estrogen. :-/

I've looked into pubmed / web sites and found lots of info on treating post-meno. women with methyl testosterone (like cheque drops!) and various estrogens. The patch seems quite promising since most tabs have half-lives of about 60 min. Here's a link to info about administering Estradoil http://www.healthgate.com/choice/med-emerg/dih_f/chapter/mono/la050300.shtml , don't miss the bit on hypogonadism(I hate that word).

Apparently, the new oral Masteron(ish) is less androgenic than the injectable so that might be what ppl have been talking about.

An opinion on Trenbolone... I've read that it was heavily androgenic and now I saw a post by E2 with a study that pegs it at 3x test prop at the same dosage! Yikes. Sounds like a great way to grow a large crop of back hair. :-O I don't completely understand Tren. but I'll have to work on it before late summer / fall when I'm putting it into my cutting cycle.

ayn - I think you have just the info I was looking for. How much Dbol did you do, how much did you weigh, how many weeks, which sides did you get and when did they appear? I don't mean to badger you too much but it would be very helpful.