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Elite Bodybuilder 
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This may be of no relevance to bodybuilders, but could be useful for your average couch potato. In an era where high fat diets are popular and carbohydrates are cast as the villain this is a refreshing piece of research. Promotion of dietary carbohydrate as an approach to weight maintenance after initial weight loss: a pilot study Aim To test a novel approach to weight management based on positive advice to eat more carbohydrate-rich foods. Methods Twenty-nine overweight/mildly obese male and female volunteers were recruited. For a 2-week period they were required to replace one main meal each day with a serving of breakfast cereal. This was followed by 4 weeks eating adlib on a high-carbohydrate regime. Each subject, who acted as his/her own control, kept a 3-day unweighed food diary at baseline, 2 weeks and 6 weeks. Body measurements were made at each stage. Results Twenty-two subjects completed the study. Mean weight loss at 2 weeks was 2.0 kg, a statistically significant reduction, which was maintained at 6 weeks. Significant changes in mean energy intake (- 2.29 MJ day-1), in percentage energy from carbohydrate (+ 8%) and from fat (- 11%) were observed after 2 weeks, and remained significant at the end of the study. Conclusions The results of this pilot study show that replacing a main meal with breakfast cereal led to moderate weight loss, and a follow-up high-carbohydrate phase enabled weight loss to be sustained. We suggest that this regime has potential for further investigation and that promotion of carbohydrate-rich foods should be part of public health messages for weight control. I have a feeling IronGod will be here any minute to continue my 're-education'. And is that Bmom about to light a match under me???     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 147 |
Bring on the Capt'n Crunch... Hmmmmm Yum | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 497 |
okay - I'm thinking of reasons why a bowl of cereal would cause weight loss in an obese person. It's probably not just the reduction of fat, but a reduction in saturated fats ..? It could just as easily be a reduction in overall calories as well. Boy, the last time I read the numbers on a box of cereal ...there's hardly anything in the stuff. So compare that with the average value meal, or 6" subway. Was the 'high carb after diet' somehow measured/monitored?? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 113 |
MS - I am hardly (to put it mildly) qualified to argue any of this stuff with YOU. You know WAY MORE about this stuff that I will probably BEGIN to know.
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 63 |
I'm with jayelynn on this one... What would a main meal really consist of for this person? If it was a double whopper with cheese supersize fry and oh let's see a diet coke (lol) and then you replace with a bowl of cereal well I can see some reduction forthcoming!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 287 |
I think I have this one too. MR. BMJ I'll be back. hehehe | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 287 |
I thought wrong, but I have read it though. Actually, cereal is a decent meal that is usually given a bad name. The thing to remember here is that most cereals have a high GI (not all) rating, but when it is mixed with milk, which has a low GI rating of 32 (skim milk), then that will also lower the GI index of the cereal too. The two together will usually come out to around a medium GI rating unless you use a cereal that is 55 or below like Rice Bran, Special K, or Honey Smacks, etc. In this case, it will be an even better GI rating. I always add whey to my cereal to ensure I get enough protein. Just watch those overall daily calories and you should be fine while dieting, well at least until you get to lower bodyfat levels. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 113 |
So seriously, are we talking Cheerios? (I actually like the way they tast.) Or that nasty dirt tasting crap? ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 497 |
okay, we're losing focus here. The study doesn't say that elite bodybuilders will lose weight by replacing one of their 6 meals with a bowl of cereal. It says that an obese person will lose weight by replacing one of ? 3 meals with a bowl of cereal, and maintain that weight loss on an undescribed high carb diet for some number of weeks. I make my own cereal cause I think the stuff off the shelves is pretty lame....but then again, I'm still growing  The big question here is, "what's causing the weight loss"? Would these people still lose weight if they ate a bowl of my cereal (1 cup mixed with 1/2 c of plain yogurt for a whopping 541 calories)? I think that the researchers are making claims that aren't necessarily supported by the actual study...ie, they didn't identify all of the variables. f**K, can you image how many bowls of frosted miniwheats you'd have to eat to match the number of calories in a double cheeseburger value meal?! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 113 |
Sista Jay - box that shit and put it on the shelves! I bet you'd clean up! hehe ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1024 |
Very good guys. You're well on your way to being decent, questioning researchers. I don't have online access to the entire article, so I can't clarify much for you. As I said at the beginning, this has little relevance for bodybuilders. But for your average, overweight couch potato who is getting the message these days that carbs are the enemy, what this study is really about is a high-carb, unrestricted calorie diet as a method of weight maintenance after initial weight loss. All they were really asked (after the initial 4.5 lbs of weight-loss) is to replace some of the fat in their diet with carbs. It's not rocket science. But it worked for this group of people. And I also don't think you should obsess too much about the type of cereal. As MR BMJ pointed out, the addition of skim milk reduces the GI of even the most sugary of cereals. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1024 |
2 more studies along similar lines: Nutrient balance and energy expenditure during ad libitum feeding of high-fat and high-carbohydrate diets To study the influence of diet composition on regulation of body weight, we fed 21 weight-stable subjects (11 lean, 10 obese) high- carbohydrate and high-fat diets for 1 wk each. Although diet composition was
This study compared the effect of a low-fat, calorie non-restricted, complex-carbohydrate diet with a low-energy diet on weight loss over 6 months in moderately obese women. Weight loss was 4.4 kg in the low fat and 3.8 kg in the low energy participants. The low-fat participants decreased percent energy from fat by 13%, increased percent energy from carbohydrate by 11.4%, and reduced energy intake by 1654 kJ. The corresponding values in the low-energy group were 3.8%, 3.5%, and 1991 kJ, respectively. Changes in fat and carbohydrate energy were significantly different by treatment. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 497 |
I'll share my recipe BM if you want it. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1123 |
My first thought was along the same lines...what meal is this replacing? If I replaced my first meal of oatmeal/eggs/fruit/veg with bowl of cereal it would certainly cut my cal intake too. BB or not, when you cut cals you tend to lose weight - now wether its fat or muscle is a whole other question. I think carbs have been villified too - along with fat. BALANCE BALANCE BALANCE! |
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posted November 27, 2000 02:29 PM
