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shooter

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From:lakemary FL USA
Registered: Aug 2000

posted August 30, 2000 02:08 PM

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Hey,
I need some help with a training program. I have not worked out for about 7 months. I'm just getting back in to it. Here is what I have got so far.

Chest/Bi's
db bench 3 warm up sets of 10 reps
4 work sets of 6-8
incline db press 4 sets of 6-8
dips 4 sets to failure which is like 3-4 reps
flat fly's 3 sets of 10-12
Preacher curls 3 warm up sets of 10 reps
3 work sets of 6-8
db curls 3 sets of 6-8
standing bb curls 3 sets of 6-8

back/tri's
Chins 4 sets to failure like 4-5 reps
seated rows 3 sets of 6-8
pull downs 3 sets of 6-8
dead lifts (I have not done them yet but I heard they were good. should I keep my legs staight, or should I bend them?)
skull crushers 3 warm up sets of 10 reps
3 work sets of 6-8
extensions 3 sets of 6-8
french curls 3 sets of 6-8
push downs 3 sets of 10-12

shoulders
db press 3 warm up sets of 10 reps
3 sets of 6-8
side latweral 3 sets of 6-8
upright rows 3 sets of 6-8
standing bb press 3 sets of 6-8
bent over side laterals 3 sets of 6-8
military press 4 sets of 10

Legs
I have no idea what to do for legs. This work out program was given to me by my archery coach. He doesn't feel legs are that important. I would appreciate any input on this program, also a good ler routine.


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BK

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From:Swift Current, Sask, Canada
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posted August 30, 2000 02:45 PM

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Any workout should include legs. Squats in particular. You have deadlifts so that will work your legs a bit. Leg curls and lunges are also great. Other than that it looks good, but it might be a bit too much to start up with again. You have a lot of exercises, good, but keep the sets low.


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Rexie317

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posted August 30, 2000 02:46 PM

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You're archery coach is an idiot if he believes leg training isn't important. For legs some exercises you can do are squats, leg extensions, leg curls, deadlifts, lunges, leg press. Make sure you train your calves too.


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HIT Bodybuilder

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posted August 30, 2000 02:57 PM

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Your archery coach has given you some bad advise. If you start to use this program, I can guarantee that you will be overtraining. For a person who hasn't lifted weights in over six months, this is not the right program for you. This routine, would work for very few. It's too high in volume. 15 work sets for chest? 12 sets for biceps? 10 sets for triceps? And he has you doing 19 sets for shoulders?! I'm not out to flame anyone but your archery coach. This is the same bad advise that is given to so many people. And they never see any progress by using the conventional way of training. Start witht he basics. My advise is to do 3 full body workouts per week and 3 cardio sessions per week. Go easy on the weights. Do not take any set to failure. You want to properly condition yourself, without burning out or overtraining. Do a preconditiong programs for 4-8 weeks and then start a new workout. And legs are very important to train. Squats are probably the most productive exercise. Next time, if you ask for advise about weight lifting, try to ask somebody who is well qualified to answer your questions. Like the people on the Elite Fitness board. You have made a very smart move by doing so. Most of us on here will be able to help you. You're archery coach obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Here's a good preconditioning program.

Monday/Wednesday/Friday
Squats 2 x 10-12
Stiff-Legged Deadlifts 2 x 10-12
Bench Presses 2 x 10-12
Pulldowns 2 x 10-12
Bent-Over Barbell Rows 2 x 10-12
Seated Dumbbell Presses 2 x 10-12
Dumbbell Upright Rows 2 x 10-12
Standing Calf Raises 2 x 10-12
Lying Triceps Extensions 1 x 10-12
Standing Barbell Curls 1 x 10-12
Crunches 1 x 15-25

Tuesday/Thursday/Saturday
Cardio 15-20 minutes

Sunday
Rest

The intensity level in this routine should be low. Your goal here is not to build a lot of muscle or strength, it's to properly condition your muscles and to get them ready for heavy training. I apologize if I sounded like I was coming down so hard on your coach. He's probably a nice guy. I just get upset when some coach, who thinks he knows a lot about weight training, gives the wrong advise to a beginner. Even though you have lifted before, but it's been 7 months. It's safe to call you a beginner and it's not a bad thing. You just have to build yourself back up to where you were. And just by reading about how confused you are, you obviously don't have a real grasp on the basics or where to progress next. After this conditioning phase, you can start doing low volume training or high volume training. It depends what your goals are. I personally believe in low volume training. I'm a drug free HIT trainer. High volume training has left me overtrained and frustrated in the past. I believe high volume training, if you're an endurance athlete. Meaning, training with a lot of sets, but none taken to muscle failure. If you want to build strength and muscle I believe HIT is the real way to train. But different things work for different people. Well, I hope you have had your questions answered. For more HIT information check out www.cyberpump.com or www.hardgainer.com

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ethertek

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From:SK, Canada
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posted August 30, 2000 03:32 PM

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You need to do legs!! You don't need strong legs for archery but work them anyways!

I think you are doing way too much shoulders! My advice to you would be to cut down the number of exercises/sets you are doing per bodypart and instead raise the intensity.

Good luck.


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Dirk Diggler

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posted August 30, 2000 08:00 PM

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squats make your entire body stronger
should be the first thing you do


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Mylo

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posted August 31, 2000 06:33 AM

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As most people already said, cut back on sets/reps - 12 sets per small part is way too much. Concentrate on basic (compound) exercises, and remember, try to keep your sessions no longer than 60-70 minutes (after that your test level will be rapidly dropping - unless you're on gear). Don't forget - eat smart, train smart and hard, rest a lot - you can make very decent gains when you're starting after a long period of time - don't waste it. Mylo


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shooter

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posted August 31, 2000 09:18 AM

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Thanks you. I have to admit I did think the program my coach gave me was a bit much, and I did not understand not having any exercises for legs. I guess He figured I don't need strong legs to shoot a bow. Thanks again for all the advise.

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he-man

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From:san antonio, tx, usa
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posted August 31, 2000 10:47 AM

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Damn brother - Thats a lot of shit! I'll pretty much echo the other guys and what they have said. Start slower and definately put in squats and leg press for legs. Also I would do your deadlifts first 'cause your ass is gonna be smoked if you plan to do all those exercises first. Which means you wont be able to use as much weight. Good luck and stick with it.


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big bear 1959

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From:louisville,kentucky,usa
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posted September 01, 2000 01:53 PM

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start out on abasic routine
3days a week total body routine
squats 5x10reps
stiffleg deadlift 5x10reps
benchpress 5x10reps
chins 3x max reps
military press 5x10reps
dips 3x max reps
barbell curls 5x10reps
calf raise 2x20

[1]try to add 5lbs aweek to each exercise
[2] do your sets in this fashion
2 progressive warmups/3work sets per exercise
[3]allso do 2-3 cardio sessions aweek
[4]follow this routine for 10-12weeks
than move to a more intense routine

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SUST-MAN

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From:CRESSKILL, NJ
Registered: Jul 2000

posted September 09, 2000 06:36 PM

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BUMP!

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