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soxace45 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 4) |
posted April 16, 2000 08:48 PM
 
Hey I got a question for all you pro's...... What are your thoughts on doing one body part a day....such as monday-chest, tuesday-bi's, wednesday-tri's, and so on.....am I losing muscle by waiting so long to get to the first body part, I want to gain MASS MASS MASS this summer, I have the right diet and right supplements, and the time to do it right, but instead of spending 2.5 hours in the gym I want to only spend 1.5 hours, but I want to get HUGE.....so is one body part a day ok???? Or should I stick the normal 2 ??????? thanks IP: Logged |
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StevieD Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 133) |
posted April 18, 2000 05:31 AM
I do: Mon-chest/bi You should spend 45 mins max on each body part. Do about 6-8 very intense sets per body part. Dorian Yates reckoned he could train his bi's in 10 minutes. Spend as little time training and as much time eating and resting. 6-8 meals per day and loads of sleep. You grow when you are not in the gym. IP: Logged |
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mossberg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 262) |
posted April 20, 2000 07:47 PM
 3 days a week will get you there alot faster if your clean. It is very easy to overtrain when your natural. Heres what I do: Mon: Shoulders, chest, Tri's, ab's in that order Wends: Legs and calves Fri: Back, bi's and ab's (traps if I didn't do them Mon.) All big and basic coumpound movements. Forget the fancy stuff for now. Get some rest between each workout. My $.02 IP: Logged |
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ethertek Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
posted April 24, 2000 11:49 PM
OK, lets get some stuff straight. You need to work each bodypart at least twice a week. Another thing. There's no such thing as big size in little time (unless your an idiot and you take steroids). You need to set out long term fitness goals that are realistic and commit!!! If your finding yourself procrastinating all the time, get a freaking training partner. Your gonna get nowhere in a short time, so get with and get reading. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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StevieD Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 133) |
posted April 25, 2000 07:16 AM
Disagree. Working a body part once per week is enough if you give 110%. I used to do twice per week but suffered from overtraining and sore joints. IP: Logged |
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Quadzilla43 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 388) |
posted April 25, 2000 08:48 AM
totally agree with stevie. once a week has always worked for me. never had trouble with my joints at all. and ethertek, by saying "at least twice a week" i can assume that its sometimes ok to work a bodypart three times a week? pretty stupid, considering you knock steroids and the only way for a trainer to get gains from working intensly three times a week is with roids. if u dont have any useful advice, or if ur just going to contradict urself, save it for another board. back to the original post, you may want to try to incorporate some powerlifting or athleteic training into your routine. ever try power cleans? those can pack on mass very fast. www.huskerpower.com has a good site on training for football, and i dont think any of us can deny that they have some very large players. www.powerlifting.com can give u workouts that u can incorporate into your regular routine. good luck. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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soxace45 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 4) |
posted April 25, 2000 08:57 AM
ethertek you moron.....I obviously know there is no such thing as big size little time that just the title to get people to read it you stupid fuck! Go wack your small pecker to some soft porn or something you loser. And everyone knows you can't work a bodypart more than two times a week if you train hard, you are so stupid. I posted this because I am changing my routine that I have had for a while and want to know what people thought about one bodypart per week.....I am not a beginner and I will rip your nuts off if you ever post an asshole remark like that to any question I ask....bitch IP: Logged |
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ethertek Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
posted April 25, 2000 12:46 PM
I beg to differ on the matter of the number of times to train a body part every week. If you take a look at most famous bodybuilder's routines, they work each bodypart on average twice a week. And you can't tell me that they don't train hard. I don't know how hard you guys are working out in one day but why don't you have for example a light biceps day (eg-8 sets) and then another day of the week you could have an intense biceps day (eg-15 sets)...that way you have you have variation...and we all know variation is the best way to stimulate muscle growth. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ethertek Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
posted April 25, 2000 12:47 PM
I beg to differ on the matter of the number of times to train a body part every week. If you take a look at most famous bodybuilder's routines, they work each bodypart on average twice a week. And you can't tell me that they don't train hard. I don't know how hard you guys are working out in one day but why don't you have for example a light biceps day (eg-8 sets) and then another day of the week you could have an intense biceps day (eg-15 sets)...that way you have you have variation...and we all know variation is the best way to stimulate muscle growth. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ethertek Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
posted April 25, 2000 12:52 PM
I beg to differ on the matter of the number of times to train a body part every week. If you take a look at most famous bodybuilder's routines, they work each bodypart on average twice a week. And you can't tell me that they don't train hard. I don't know how hard you guys are working out in one day but why don't you have for example a light biceps day (eg-8 sets) and then another day of the week you could have an intense biceps day (eg-15 sets)...that way you have you have variation...and we all know variation is the best way to stimulate muscle growth. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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adawg78 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 37) |
posted April 25, 2000 01:15 PM
or why not just hit the biceps hard one day and give them a full week to recover instead of dicking around with a light day that will do nothing but cut into your recovery time. just a thought... IP: Logged |
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B-Dawg Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10) |
posted April 25, 2000 01:46 PM
Ethertek, you denounce roids and then you talk about the pros training a bodypart, intensely, twice a week. HOw do you think the pros are able to hit those bodyparts so frequently?....they're juicin'. For those of us that don't take roids, hitting a bodypart all out necessitates waiting at least 4 to 5 days before hitting it again. You've got to give the muscles time to recoup or else you're undoing all the hard work. IP: Logged |
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Quadzilla43 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 388) |
posted April 25, 2000 03:02 PM
thank you b dawg. there are still some trainers out there who think pros get that big just cause they train twice a week. the reason they train twice a week so intensly and not overtrain and still make gains is cause they're spending anywhere from 40 grand to 60 grand a year on gear. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ethertek Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
posted April 25, 2000 03:35 PM
Sure, lots of bodybuilders is drugs. But, Arnold didn't, Franco didn't, Serge Nubret didn't. I read an article about Sylvester Stallone training for Rambo 2. He trained damn hard with no roids, and he wanted to gain 10 lbs in six weeks. And sure as hell he didn't. I took a look at his program, and he he was on a two day alternating program. And yes, he worked his chest, his arms, and legs more than once a week!!! And he was doing it all day!!! Arnold and Tom Platz never took roids and they did exercises for a specific bodypart more than once a week. They put themselves through hell training. I don't know about you guys but when I ttrain hard for 3 hours and take protein at night I feel awsome in the morning. No muscle pain or tighness,my joints are fine. IP: Logged |
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Quadzilla43 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 388) |
posted April 25, 2000 04:03 PM
ethertek, before u totally lose all credibility, stop posting to this thread. i thought u had hit ur lowest point of inteligence, but u went lower by saying that arnold, columbo, and serge didnt juice. so, its normal for a 15 year old to look like arnold did when he was 15? or columbo benching 535 at a bodyweight of around 190? and benching 481 at 181 and being the #2 bench presser in the world in 72? u ever see the pic of franco deadlifting 7 plates? or hear about arnie deadlifting 710, and benching 225 for 60? come on, man. to think that 2 former O's and one of the most symmetrical bodybuilders ever (serge) didnt juice is just plain moronic. but, never underestimate the stupidity of some people. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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mossberg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 262) |
posted April 25, 2000 04:10 PM
Does anyone get the feeling ethertek is a flame starter? IP: Logged |
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adawg78 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 37) |
posted April 25, 2000 07:04 PM
i agree with quadzilla. this guy just needs to shut up because he has no clue what he's talking about and he's digging himself deeper. anyone who thinks arnold didn't juice is obviously on drugs...not roids, but CRACK. IP: Logged |
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Stone Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 49) |
posted April 26, 2000 04:34 PM
Arnold did some strange things but not taking roids to win the crown was not one of them. Great routine mossberg, that is very close to what I have been doing and it works OK but what sets/reps do you recommend? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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mossberg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 262) |
posted April 26, 2000 05:27 PM
I can not recommend anything only suggest as an outline what works for me, because it MAY not for you. BUT, most people DO respond to basic coumpound movements(mass and strength).  I use 2 warm-up sets on the really big movements(bench, squat, deadlift, etc...) with a rep range in the 8-10 area. I will then do anywhere from 2-3 "working" sets in the 6-8 rep range. If I feel real good I may go real heavy and end up at as little as 4 reps on my last set. I will only do 1-2 excercises per bodypart. On tha smaller movements(curls, tricep extensions, etc....) I will do 1 warm-up set of 8-10 reps then move right into my heavy sets. The muscle has already been "warmed-up" from the larger movements. I will do 2-3 "working" sets here also which is dependant on how tired my muscles may be. Your smaller groups will already be fairly stressed from the larger movements(i.e. tris get worked on bench, etc....) so I let my body be the judge on set amounts. Again with a 6-8 rep range, and 1-2 excercises total. The real plan here is INTENSITY. Wether you can bench 90 or 405 does not matter. You must give it your ALL. Perfect form will prevent injuries so don't fool yourself with "cheating" the movement. I have found it is as simple as this: Eat, Sleep and Lift Heavy Weight Many Times IP: Logged |
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Stone Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 49) |
posted April 26, 2000 06:48 PM
mossberg, Do you judge your workouts efectiveness by how sore you get? I have a pretty good feeling by the end of the workout if I will be sore the next day or two and I sometimes go light with high reps on an extra set to finish off. Is that good or bad? It just seems that going heavy all the time and 6-8 reps is not enough. Heavy sets most of the time will not produce a good muscle belly soreness. Am I over exercising when I do this? IP: Logged |
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mossberg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 262) |
posted April 26, 2000 07:15 PM
If doing high reps at the end of a set works for you then by all means do it. BUT, I ask you this. If you have enough left to do alot of high reps, did you really push the other sets? Muscle hypertrophy(growth) is created when a muscle is overloaded past its current level of strength capacity - i.e. low rep high weight excercises. I agree variety is a good thing, and I have been kown to "go for the burn" once in a while, but I usually am to spent to go any further. When I was just starting out or when I come off of a layoff, I can get pretty sore. But after "getting up to speed" the sorness is not as much of a true sign, for me, of the effectiveness of any paticular workout. MY sign is my utter exhaustion in the gym right after a workout and the tiredness I suffer from that follows in the upcoming days. No one plan is perfect, so try different things. BUT, stay with a program at least 8 weeks to judge its merit to your body and how it will respond. IP: Logged |
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StevieD Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 133) |
posted April 27, 2000 06:10 AM
Arnie not on riods? Bullshit. The top pro's have always been juiced up to the max - FACT. IP: Logged |
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Stone Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 49) |
posted April 27, 2000 05:39 PM
mossberg, That is a good point, I don't push myself to failure. I push myself to the point I feel I can't push one more rep successfuly. Most of the time the last rep is very slow but not a total failure. Is it absolutely nessecary to go to complete failure? It seems like it would make a huge difference if I did but I work out at home on a power rack by myself and without a spotter. IP: Logged |
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mossberg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 262) |
posted April 27, 2000 05:55 PM
I personally do not believe that one must go to complete failure. BUT, and this is huge, the next rep you DID NOT do that would have followed after the last rep of that set you just did had better be the one that would have been the failure rep. Train smart and be carefull with no spot. Take some time and learn how your body is responding and when it tells you your ALMOST to the failure point. Natural muscle gain takes alot of time, but with consistancy anyone can improve them selves dramatically.
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Steelsoldier Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 109) |
posted May 12, 2000 11:05 PM
Once a week is not only ok but the preffered method to putting on mass! Make sure not to stray away from compound movements such as the squat,deadlift(one of my favorites)bench and standing overhead presses keep all your movements compound for growth! IP: Logged |
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Steelsoldier Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 109) |
posted May 12, 2000 11:15 PM
Ethertek i am new here and have extensive knowledge in weighttraining and so far your responses are based on what you've read in a musclemag! All of the above bodybuilders you have named used more steroids than everyone here combined. Nothing wrong with steroid use but don't believe everything you read and here. Bottom line if done properly once a week, heavy weight is all you need naturally. You already hit your biceps and triceps when doing your major muscle groups IP: Logged |
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GOWZER Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 178) |
posted May 30, 2000 11:56 PM
ARNOLD DIDNT JUICE!!!!! TOM PLATZ!!!!! FRANCO!!!! WHO IS THIS JOKER,A MUSCLE MAG SUBSCRIBER I GURANTEE... GET A BOOK YOU MORON.. IP: Logged |
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GOWZER Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 178) |
posted May 30, 2000 11:58 PM
ARNOLD DIDNT JUICE!!!!! TOM PLATZ!!!!! FRANCO!!!! WHO IS THIS JOKER,A MUSCLE MAG SUBSCRIBER I GURANTEE... GET A BOOK YOU MORON.. I BET YOU USE CELLTECH AND THINK YOUR CREATINE IS 300,000,000,000% BETTER THAN ANABOLIC STEROIDS... IP: Logged |
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brandon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 65) |
posted May 31, 2000 12:34 AM
Actually, I think that all of the above mentioned pros have admitted to using gear... Anyway, regarding the question at hand, I think that you can make good mass gains by training bodyparts twice weekly. I was able to do so by eliminating all extraneous exercise (only the big, bad power moves), and doing about 3-4 sets of each. Believe me, one good set of ass-ripping deadlifts will do more than 15 sets for any bodypart. IP: Logged |
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MaxMuscle Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 38) |
posted May 31, 2000 01:05 AM
I just wanted to reply about training to muscle failure. Training to muscle failure is okay to do, if you use a moderate-heavy weight. It's not safe to overload to bar with a weight you can barely do 2 times. I know a lot people who always do that and they almost always end up tearing a muscle. That's what happened to Yates. He trained to failure with a weight that was too heavy and that caused him to tear his bicep tendon. I don't believe you should train to complete muscle failure all the time, once every two weeks should be okay. But training close to failure is a good approach. IP: Logged |
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