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Formula
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posted February 25, 2000 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Formula   Click Here to Email Formula     Edit/Delete Message
Did you have success with it? Did you achive what you were expecting?

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stallion
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posted April 26, 2000 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stallion   Click Here to Email stallion     Edit/Delete Message
I tried it because his suggestions for a five second positive / five second negative reps scheme worked for me. As for this - it didn't do shit, except waste a whole day and allot of energy.

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CONTRACTION
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posted April 26, 2000 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CONTRACTION   Click Here to Email CONTRACTION     Edit/Delete Message
A friend of mine tried it...he didnt see any change from it, but I'm sure everyone gets a different result.

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danny142
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posted May 04, 2000 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for danny142   Click Here to Email danny142     Edit/Delete Message
I have tried the one day arm cure and I gotta say that anyone who would like another quater to a half an inch on their arms and is willing to work out for 8 hours should definately give it a try.A week after I did the program my arms had grown a half an inch.

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CalKid
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posted May 18, 2000 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CalKid   Click Here to Email CalKid     Edit/Delete Message
I'm getting ready to try the one day arm cure early next week. I'm really concerned about the huge cortisol backlash that my body might experience after working out for 8 hours without A/S. Is there anything to combat the extra cortisol release? So far, well, at least according to this thread, most people have not seen results with this program. Is there anyone else that has some feedback on it? In theory it sounds like a great way to shock your body into some growth but aren't there otherwise to shock it without totally obliterating the arms for 8 hours??

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Formula
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posted May 19, 2000 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Formula   Click Here to Email Formula     Edit/Delete Message
I guess some glutamine should help. One should try this training while on the sauce. You might get a 1 1/4 in a days work out.

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CalKid
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posted May 19, 2000 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CalKid   Click Here to Email CalKid     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, but I'm going to do it without the sauce so I'm trying to figure out the best way how. I plan on taking lots of glutamine throughout the day with BCAA during my workouts. I also plan to take the following two days off for additional recovery. I've been kicking around the idea of throwing in some cytadren for a couple of days to help supress the extra cortisol from my 8 hour workout marithon. It's just an idea... Either way, I'll post my results here. I'm planning on trying this out next Tuesday. (if I don't change my mind. we'll see)

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Steelheart
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posted May 19, 2000 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steelheart   Click Here to Email Steelheart     Edit/Delete Message
What is this program?

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CalKid
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posted May 21, 2000 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CalKid   Click Here to Email CalKid     Edit/Delete Message
Go to t-mag.com and do a search for "one day arm cure."

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CalKid
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posted May 22, 2000 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CalKid   Click Here to Email CalKid     Edit/Delete Message
Alright, I'm doing the one day arm cure tomorrow. I don't have any equipment at home so I'll be spending most of the day at the gym which is going to suck big time (although I live close enough to drive home for lunch and relax before the afternoon session.) I will post my results in a couple of days. In the meantime, please wish me luck!

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CalKid
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posted May 23, 2000 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CalKid   Click Here to Email CalKid     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, well I survived the one day arm cure. About half way through I couldn't even get a pump anymore. I hate overtraining but I hope this shock will result in some gains. Anyone else have any experience with this workout?

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CalKid
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posted May 24, 2000 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CalKid   Click Here to Email CalKid     Edit/Delete Message
Damn, am I the only one reading this thread? Is anyone out there? Hello???

Alright, another update: This is the day after the one day arm cure. I slept great last night! (Yeah, like you guys care, I know, I know...) I've gotta admit though that I'm not as sore as I thought I would be. Perhaps its the shitload of supplements I'm taking right now or perhaps it's just that my body handled the workout well. In either case, my arms have shrunk in size about 1/4" which is normal for the day after. I'm going to carb load and do a good sodium/creatine load to force as much protein and water as I can into the muscles. By Friday I should see some results. Anyway, since no one is going to read this, I'll stop typing now.

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Stone
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posted May 24, 2000 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stone   Click Here to Email Stone     Edit/Delete Message
CalKid,

I am following this so please keep it up. I went back and re-read the article also.

Are you using gear while doing this? So I can determine if it works on a natural.

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CalKid
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posted May 24, 2000 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CalKid   Click Here to Email CalKid     Edit/Delete Message
Ah, I do have an audience. That's great. Anyway, here's the deal with the gear. I was debating for a while whether I should use some gear or not since after all, this is serious overtraining. I prefer to train natural since no matter what I do my hair likes to fall out. However, in the interest of "science," I decided to do a very short cycle to aid my body in the recuperation department (which may be why I'm not as sore as I expected.) I wanted to use something that would be fast acting and could be in my system and back out in about 1 weeks time (natural test levels can recover very quickly after that and I would be fully recuperated from the overtraining.) A couple of drugs came to mind: dbol (which is great since I would be able to just load up in the morning and not suppress my natural test, test prop, or trenbolone acetate (fina). Since the only thing I had laying around that would fit the bill was some injectionable fina, I decided to use that. This is how I did it (actually, how I'm still doing it.):

Monday = 115mg fina
Tuesday = 75mg fina
Wednesday = 75mg fina
Thursday = 75mg fina

I did the one-day-arm-cure on Tuesday. By the following Monday my system should be nearly clean (since acetate easters are released over a period of only a few days). Since tren is 3 times more supressive of natural test than testosterone is (the big drawback), I'll have do use clomid throughout and for several weeks after (no big deal). The advantage of the fina though is that it is the only AS that kills cortisol receptors (any tren for that matter). The dosages I am doing are a bit high for tren, but since it will only be a one week cycle, what the hell. I did not want to extend the cycle since the purpose of this cycle is not to bulk me up, cut me up, or anything like that -- the purpose is simply to aid and recovery while I focus on my arm development this week.

So in a nutshell, my experience with this workout might be atypical, but who cares. I'm still taking other measures that natural trainers will be taking to do a workout like this (glutamine, creatine, ALC before the workout, and 800mg of PS as well.)

If other people were to try this, I would recommend taking a high dose of dbol in the morning (only in the morning as not to suppress natural test) for several days. Since the half-life of dbol is so short, you could take as much as 50mg each morning for several days to help aid in muscle recovery. Doing it that way, you shouldn't need clomid at all.

I think I'm taking other supplements but I can't remember off the top of my head. Of course I always use proscar for the hair and since fina is quite toxic I'm using primose oil and milk thistle. Oh, and don't forget to take lots of vitamin C the day you do the routine (not to mention the creatine/glutamine load after.)

Feel free to post any more questions. I'll update more later.

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CalKid
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posted May 25, 2000 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CalKid   Click Here to Email CalKid     Edit/Delete Message
UPDATE on one-day-arm cure:

This is the second day after I performed the routine and my arms are still quite sore, but not more sore than they have been at times in the past. Although it's too soon to see the full results, here are the measurements to date:

Morning of the One-Day-Arm Cure:
Left arm = 17.5" cold; Right arm = 17.25" cold

Day 1 (morning) after One-Day-Arm Cure:
Left arm = 17.25" cold; Right arm = 17" cold
(shrinkage due to glycogen depletion)

Day 2 (morning) after One-Day-Arm Cure:
Left arm = 17.5" cold; Right arm = 17.25" cold

So, right now I'm back to where I started. In the next few days hopefully I can get at least 1/4" from this routine (obviously I'd like to see more but a 1/4" of growth on my arms takes me nearly a year to get). If this works for me, it'll work for many of you since I have crappy arm genetics (I think my dad has like 14" arms or something... maybe not even that.) So, as usual, I'll keep everyone posted.

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Stone
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posted May 25, 2000 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stone   Click Here to Email Stone     Edit/Delete Message
CalKid,

I am kinda wondering if the arm cure will work for me since they say it only works once or twice a year. I suppose with gear that would not be the case.

I have not tried it this year but I did something similar to this already and I swear it worked. I was measuring my arms regularly and when I did a big all day arm and chest work out one day, to see if I was over training or not, I was killing myself with 65 pound dumbbell curls with what I thought was terrible form. I noticed about a week later my arms where almost 1 inch bigger! Since then I have raised my intensity level and I expect some huge gains. I am totally natural (for now) and a 1 inch increase in less than a month seems like incredible progress. (for me anyway)

Is this the first time you used gear?


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CalKid
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posted May 25, 2000 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CalKid   Click Here to Email CalKid     Edit/Delete Message
Damn, a 1 inch gain Stone? That's awesome! To answer your question, I've used gear twice before. (One 8-week cycle and then later a short 3 week cycle).

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Stone
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posted May 26, 2000 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stone   Click Here to Email Stone     Edit/Delete Message
CalKid,

What kind of gains did you see from the gear?

I don't see the gains from using gear worth the risks or I would be using the gear. I may get to the point I stop progressing and need help though some day soon.

Yeah, it was not quite an inch, more like 7/8 of an inch but I am beginning to wonder if the creatine had anything to do with it. I accidentally mixed the creatine way too strong. I poured the whole bottle in a container of Gatorade and didn't realize I was drinking about 5 times the recommended dose. Boy did it feel great though! Nice recovery time. But the creatine was gone in about a week (opps)

I am going to start a new cycle of workouts next week because I am cycling off for a week to rest. I will take some measurements and see if it was just water weight gain or muscle.

I have not done the creatine for a week and my weight dropped about 3 pounds. I still feel like my arms are bigger though because my tris rub my ribcage more now.


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CalKid
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posted May 26, 2000 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CalKid   Click Here to Email CalKid     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Stone, here's just a quick breakdown of my gains to answer your question: The first cycle I did was 8 weeks in length and I gained about 20lbs. This was after 8 years of natural training when I couldn't seem to progress much more at all (I think I hit my natural limit of 220lbs, 10% bodyfat at 5'9"). Anyway, I blew up to around 240lbs but a few months after that I came back close to the 220 (I think it was because I went ABOVE my natural limit). About a year later, I tried a short 3 week cycle to cut up (reduced calories greatly without worrying abuot losing muscle) so my weight stayed about the same (actually dropped maybe a few lbs) as I dropped a few % in the bodyfat. Currently I'm 220lbs at around 8% bodyfat. I'm holding a good amount of water from the creatine right now though. If I drop down to 6% bodyfat and lose the water, I'll hit somewhere around 205 to 210lbs. So, in a nutshell, the gains from the gear overall have been minimal but they have been instrumental in allowing me to break through plateaus (my strength is still up) and drop some bodyfat without losing muscle. I don't know if I answered your question since it was kind of vague, but if not drop me an email.

UPDATE ON THE ONE-DAY-ARM CURE:

This is day 3 after I performed the one-day-arm cure. Soreness is virtually gone. Arm size is the same as yesterday and the exact same as before I performed the routine. So, so far... no results at all. If I'm going to see any results from the routine, I will see the results in the next few days. I will keep everyone posted.

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CalKid
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posted May 30, 2000 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CalKid   Click Here to Email CalKid     Edit/Delete Message
ONE WEEK UPDATE ON ONE-DAY-ARM CURE:

No results whatsoever. Ain't that a bitch?

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bluesy
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posted May 30, 2000 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluesy   Click Here to Email bluesy     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 13459214
damm, was sitting around and waiting for the results that would make me run to the gym and do the routine

Bluesy

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Gilbyag
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posted May 30, 2000 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gilbyag     Edit/Delete Message

Sorry to hear that CalKid, I was waiting to hear about the results. I was hoping this was a "miracle cure" for me. I printed the routine and took it to a trainer who laughed at it, she knows her stuff. I guess she knew what she was laughing at. Thanx for being the guinny pig and thanx for the info. I like the way you broke it down for us, I must say, very informative.

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CalKid
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posted May 30, 2000 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CalKid   Click Here to Email CalKid     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I'm glad to be able to help out. My arms are my weakest bodypart so I try anything I can to make them bigger and better. Maybe the routine will work for some people (apparently it does), but I have a feeling that most people won't even benefit. I would still be interested in hearing from people that followed this routine closely. I'd like to know their previous training experience as well. I just don't think people who have been training hard for years on end can really gain 1/2" to 1" on their arms in just one week. I don't know. Everyone's different. But, nonetheless, it's been an interesting experience.

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Stone
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posted May 30, 2000 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stone   Click Here to Email Stone     Edit/Delete Message
That would be a bitch to take a whole day off and not see any results. Including resting all of the next day.

I still think I will try it. But I have some pain in my right arm right now, from a old injury, so I will have to wait til it feels better.

The right arm is always weaker than the other and about 1/4 inch smaller and I was hoping the arm cure would even them out.

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BackDoc
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posted June 11, 2000 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackDoc     Edit/Delete Message
I got pretty good results from the one day arm cure, but I've found that like many of you have already stated that it doesn't work all the time. For me, I think what made the difference was what I ate in the ensuing week. The article said that you wouldn't be too hungry after the workout, but I was. I ate everything I could find in the house. I gained a little over half an inch on both biceps topping me out at about 18". My biceps but my triceps are pretty well developed, so I'm not sure if the size was in the biceps or triceps. I would gamble and say that the size came from the brachialis muscle which is really worked with the Zottman curls, but even then, there wasn't much negative rep work on brachialis...so I'm still perplexed.
What I did (and I don't know if it made the difference but it's worth a guess) is that I started out light and then pushed it as hard as I could in the last 3 or 4 sets. I mean I really killed the muscles on the last set. I actually broke some capillaries in both arms from the brutality of the last set. I was actually afraid that I had done significant muscle damage the next day. I was sore like nobody's business.
I've been doing a variation of the routine called "30 days of hell for a 5 lb gain in muscle" which is outlined in the link to another site. Dan Duchaine helped formulate it and I'm finding that I'm getting great results with it so far. Let me know if you guys are interested in taking a look at it.

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