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LeviathanX

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posted February 03, 2001 07:44 PM

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I'm sure there are a thousand of these questions, and thousands of different answers, but I've reached a point in my training where I want to step it up, and I need some advice.

For the past year, I've lifted consistently starting at 3 days a week, and moving up to 5 or 6 days a week rotating between different muscle groups each day.

I have not been on any form of dietary supplement (except Centrum Complete Multivitamins), and I am 6'1", 170 lbs.

With my training so far I have gained a lot of definition, but I want to focus on becoming even more defined and putting on some more mass (with a goal weight of about 185 lbs.).

I'd like suggestions from anyone here what I should focus on to accomplish this effectively and safely. I do a significant amount of cardiovascular exercise (martial arts and running).

I'm considering taking whey protein, and some other supplements. What are some other good ones to take and what do they do?

Thanks for the help.


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LeviathanX

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posted February 03, 2001 08:12 PM

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In addition, I thought I would post my current workout schedule and have anyone on the board with more experience try to help me rearrange it if it could be better.

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SUN: SHOULDER PRESS 4 X 8-12
LATERAL ROWS 3(each arm) X 8-12
HITCHHIKERS 4 X 8-12
DIPS 3 X 10-12
LATERAL RAISE STANDING 4 X 8-12
SHRUGS 3 X 10-12
LATERAL PULL DOWNS 5 X 6-10
WIDE-ARM PULL-UPS 3 X 5-6


MON: INCLINE CURLS 5 X 6-8 (each arm)
PREACHER CURLS 3 X 6-8
PALMS-INWARD PULL-UPS 3 X 8-10
WIDE ARM STANDING CURLS 3 X 8-10
CABLE CURLS 3 X 8-12
BARBELL TRICEP EXTENSION 3 X 8-12
TRICEP PUSH-DOWNS 3 X 8-12
DECLINE CRUNCHES 3 X 15-20
SIDE CRUNCHES 1(each side) X 35
KILLER CRUNCHES 2 X 20
LEG RAISES 3 X 10-15

TUES: BENCH PRESS 5 X 6-12
INCLINE DUMBBELL PRESS 4 X 8-12
DECLINE BENCH PRESS 3 X 8-12
CABLE CROSS-OVERS 3 X 8-12
PEC DECK MACHINE 3 X 8-12
INCLINE FLYS 3 X 8-12

WED: REPEAT SUN WORKOUT
THUR: REPEAT MON WORKOUT
FRI: REPEAT TUES WORKOUT
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I also work legs on occasion, but I find that many of the cardiovascular activities I do (martial arts and running) build these muscle groups up naturally.


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Goin_Big

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posted February 03, 2001 09:23 PM

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As I say to anyone who asks this question, check out the getting big is easy (or simple, not sure) post on the powerlifting board.
If you want size creatine and protein shakes work, but you'll lose some of yer well earned definition.
btw, I gained 20 lbs on my bench on that program in the post I just wrote.

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SprintrJMN88

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posted February 03, 2001 11:20 PM

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Try a basic compound movement routine.

Example
Monday- Bench, Incline, Dips or CG Bench

Wednesday- Squats, SLDL, Calf Raises

Friday- Deads, Wide Grip Pull-ups, Rows

Creatine and Whey Protein will add mass. If you are looking to add mass, cut the cardio a little.


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b fold the truth

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posted February 03, 2001 11:23 PM

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Food...tons of it. My opinion...you are too small. You need to gain a lot of weight. Just my opinion...no offense.

B True


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Valdez

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posted February 04, 2001 12:20 AM

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Your training with weights too many days a week to gain any mass.

try the dorian yates split.
mon- chest, biceps
tue- legs
wed- off
thur- shoulders, tri's
fri- back
sat- off
sun- off

focus on back training, looking at your split it appeared to focus on arms mainly. incorporate pull-ups, cable rows, Barbell rows, shrugs.

do a search for routines their are some very good ones.

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LeviathanX

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posted February 04, 2001 12:56 PM

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I think I will try the Dorian Yates split. Unfortunately, I can't cut the cardio as much as I would like because I instruct martial arts classes and that is a committment I have to keep.

I am 20 years old, and I have a high metabolism rate - so it isn't easy for me to put on weight as quickly as I would like. Any suggestions? Is there a method that I can use to put on weight and not lose definition?

Valdez, do you have any idea where I can find the exercises for the Dorian Yates split?

Thanks.


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new@gettinbig

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posted February 04, 2001 01:38 PM

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Are you eating frequent meals throughout the day?? You should be eating 6-7 times a day. To put on mass you need to lift heavy and it doesnt need to be everyday. I agree with Valdez routine. Drink a few shakes throughout the day and maybe some bars in between meals. Creatine, glutamine, and whey are great. Diet is everything and you have to make sure you are eating properly in order to maximize your gains!


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b fold the truth

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posted February 04, 2001 02:31 PM

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I used to teach Martial Arts 4x a week too. I really had to focus on eating before and after my classes in order to maintain my weight.

B True


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Valdez

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posted February 04, 2001 02:45 PM

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This is my three-day workout. good exercise order etc. just split it up appropiatly for 4 days


My school schedule allows me HC workout days.
well tell me anyway... but I know it's bad-ass! The rep ranges are guidlines, the last two sets of every exercise are done to blood vessel bursting intensity. I STRONGLY believe in pyramiding the weight and not going to failure on the first set of a movement. Last set is most always the heaviest and most intense.
PULL
pulldowns, 1set: 15reps (warmup)
pullovers (cable), 3sets: 12,8,6
pull-ups (wide grip)3sets: all to failure
m. grip pulldowns 2sets: 10, 6-8
heavy barbell rows 3sets: 15, 10, 5-7
cable rows 3sets: 12, 8, 5-7
heavy barbell shrugs 4sets: 12, 10, 8, 6
barbell curls 1sets: 10
incline seat DB curls 2sets: 10, 8
Stiff-leg Deads (heavy) 3sets: 12,10,6
hyperextensions (no weight) : 10,10

PUSH -I have overpowering shoulders, so this chest workout may look odd to you.-
cable flyes (warmup) 2sets: 12, 8
weighted dips 3sets: 45lbs-15, 90lbs-8, 115lbs-4
Incline DB flyes 3sets: 10, 8, 5-7
Flat Flyes (superset with pushups) 2sets: 10, 6-8
Military press 2sets: 10, 8
Side laterals (using rest,pause)3sets: 10,8,6
cable pressdowns 3sets: 10, 8, 5-7

LEGS I do calves first because I never have enough gas after squats.
Seated calve raise 4sets: 25,20,15,15
leg press calve raise 4sets: 20,15,15,10

Barbell squats 5sets: 20,12,12,6,12
Hack squats 3sets: 12,10,5-7
leg curls 2sets: 10,8

go home and pray I can walk tomorrow

Well that's it... the PULL day may look like a long workout, but the first couple exercises are done very quickly and are part of the warming up process. The PUSH day is not completly refined yet, I did exactly that today with a triple drop set on side laterals we will see how sore my chest is... those dips annihilated me!
and legs... well simplicity is perfection in leg workouts. looks easy on paper till you do it!!

FEEDBACK ANYONE??



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LeviathanX

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posted February 04, 2001 03:17 PM

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Valdez... looks like a good workout - I'll try it out.

As far as eating before martial arts, I find that just makes me sick to my stomach because of the intense exercise. I do, however, eat a hell of a lot afterwards.

I think I mainly just need to eat more. I am only eating 3 meals a day (breakfast, lunch, and dinner) with snacks in between. I'll up it to breakfast, before lunch, lunch, before dinner, dinner, and late-night meals.

I'm curious though, what exactly are you guys eating? I know egg whites, and protein bars, but what would be a good example dinner?


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new@gettinbig

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posted February 04, 2001 03:50 PM

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Some examples of some meals would be.... Grilled chicken green beans and some rice, or lean sirloin baked potato and a veggie. Turkey, yams, oatmeal, eggs, whatever you prefer. I like to marinate my chicken in fatfree Italian over night and then bake it the next day, keeps it moist and gives it good flavor! Or lean hamburger meat mixed in with some veggies and rice. You have to learn to be creative as best ya can. You should consider some shakes throughout the day to give you some extra calories, protein etc. Look into some MRPs. Proteinfactory.com has some good shakes and its cheap. Or Netrition.com and there are some others as well. Eat as many meals a day you can. Maybe eat after your class and then a shake right before bed etc.


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strengthmonster

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posted February 05, 2001 09:05 AM

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I run a sucessful Association and Martial Arts academies in the UK. My advice it simple : EAT EAT EAT, start training legs (squat your ass off) just remember to keep the stretching up, don't worry about cardio - Martial arts is enough!


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