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Topic: My Push/Pull/Legs Routine, tell me what you think, please EVERYONE! .
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Elite Bodybuilder
 
Posts: 1109 From:wa Registered: Sep 2000
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posted January 05, 2001 12:18 AM |
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My school schedule allows me HC workout days. well tell me anyway... but I know it's bad-ass! The rep ranges are guidlines, the last two sets of every exercise are done to blood vessel bursting intensity. I STRONGLY believe in pyramiding the weight and not going to failure on the first set of a movement. Last set is most always the heaviest and most intense.PULL pulldowns, 1set: 15reps (warmup) pullovers (cable), 3sets: 12,8,6 pull-ups (wide grip)3sets: all to failure m. grip pulldowns 2sets: 10, 6-8 heavy barbell rows 3sets: 15, 10, 5-7 cable rows 3sets: 12, 8, 5-7 heavy barbell shrugs 4sets: 12, 10, 8, 6 barbell curls 1sets: 10 incline seat DB curls 2sets: 10, 8 Stiff-leg Deads (heavy) 3sets: 12,10,6 hyperextensions (no weight) : 10,10 PUSH -I have overpowering shoulders, so this chest workout may look odd to you.- cable flyes (warmup) 2sets: 12, 8 weighted dips 3sets: 45lbs-15, 90lbs-8, 115lbs-4 Incline DB flyes 3sets: 10, 8, 5-7 Flat Flyes (superset with pushups) 2sets: 10, 6-8 Military press 2sets: 10, 8 Side laterals (using rest,pause)3sets: 10,8,6 cable pressdowns 3sets: 10, 8, 5-7 LEGS I do calves first because I never have enough gas after squats. Seated calve raise 4sets: 25,20,15,15 leg press calve raise 4sets: 20,15,15,10 Barbell squats 5sets: 20,12,12,6,12 Hack squats 3sets: 12,10,5-7 leg curls 2sets: 10,8 go home and pray I can walk tomorrow  Well that's it... the PULL day may look like a long workout, but the first couple exercises are done very quickly and are part of the warming up process. The PUSH day is not completly refined yet, I did exactly that today with a triple drop set on side laterals we will see how sore my chest is... those dips annihilated me! and legs... well simplicity is perfection in leg workouts. looks easy on paper till you do it!! FEEDBACK ANYONE??
------------------ "I must not fear, fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." -------------------- "the hardest most painful rep is the easiest to remember."
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posted January 05, 2001 12:44 AM |
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it sounds fine to me ph21------------------ be careful of the toes you step on today,because they might be attached to the foot thats kicking your ass tomorrow
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Posts: 1109 From:wa Registered: Sep 2000
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posted January 07, 2001 03:56 PM |
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bump.pull on Tuesday/push on Thursday/Legs on Saturday. I've been doing it for two weeks and I get pretty sore. This kind of workout demands a lot of active rest and high calorie diets. ------------------ "I must not fear, fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." -------------------- "the hardest most painful rep is the easiest to remember."
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posted January 07, 2001 06:01 PM |
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looks great. i love a good 3 day routine, especially one with a lot of intensity. good post. i will have to try it myself.
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posted January 08, 2001 02:52 AM |
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"shameless self bumpage"
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posted January 08, 2001 06:32 AM |
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hey valdez, i saw another great push/pull/leg routine a couple of weeks ago. i have tried it, and i really like the pre-exausting with the supersets. i usually do 2 sets instead of just one though. Monday Pec-Deck Flye 1 x 6-10 to failure supersetted with Incline Barbell Press 1 x 6-10 to failure Dumbbell Side Laterals 1 x 6-10 to failure Dumbbell Shoulder Press 1 x 6-10 to failure Triceps Cable Pressdowns 1 x 6-10 to failure Dip Between Benches 1 x 6-10 failure Wednesday Dumbbell Pullover 1 x 6-10 to failure supersetted with Reverse/Close Grip Pulldown 1 x 6-10 to failure Bent-Over Barbell Row 1 x 6-10 to failure Barbell Shrug 1 x 6-10 to failure Bent-Knee Deadlifts 1 x 6-10 to failure Dumbbell or Barbell Curls 1 x 6-10 to failure Friday Leg Extensions 1 x 10-15 to failure supersetted with Leg Press or Squats (Alternate) 1 x 12-20 to failure Leg Curls 1 x 6-10 to failure Calf Raises 1 x 12-20 to failure Crunches 1 x 15-25 to failure
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Posts: 754 From:uk Registered: Sep 2000
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posted January 09, 2001 04:49 AM |
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Looks OK to me. I've done a similar split myself before. I'd maybe put stiff legged deads on leg day with hams to lessen pull day a little. I'd probably start pull day with the hyperextentions first. I have been doing this myself on back day as they really warm up the lumbar region and can prevent injuries to the lower back. It helped ease better an old injury for me.
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Amateur Bodybuilder

Posts: 132 From:Medford, MA Registered: Sep 2000
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posted January 09, 2001 11:48 AM |
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I don't think you're overtraing with that routine. I assume it's every other day. Your walking is just like throwing a couple of days cardio in. No big deal, your heart muscles is the most important muscle in your body.I thought you might be lacking slightly in your tricep workout. Not a flame, I know how hard you work!
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posted January 09, 2001 11:21 PM |
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If you've seen his pics, Valdez has a crazy wide lats.I like this type of split...you may want to try a trick Arnold used though: when training chest and shoulders on the same day, he would sometimes train shoulders first heavy, then chest lighter with higher reps. The next time he would reverse the order. I think you could apply this to your back work. As is you are doing all pulldown/chin work first, and then rowing. Since you already have good width, try rowing movements first every other workout. I actually followed a workout by Ian King on T-mag.com where you essentually did everything backwards half the time (a pulling day would start with bicep curls and finish with pullups). As for shoulders overpowering in the bench, if you depress your scapula and push the shoulder blades down and into the bench, lower bar to low chest and push in straight line (not back over face) you will not have this problem. I never got anything out of benching until I started doing it this way (Louis Simmons style).
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posted January 10, 2001 12:20 AM |
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Thanks for the compliment, especially since it's comming from "Hugh Gellats!"That idea about exercise order sounds like it's worth a try. I know that my ability chins would severely decrease so I'd probably have to substitute pulldowns (no bigge) thanks.
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posted January 17, 2001 11:40 PM |
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Hey Valdez, you still walking to work twice a week? That interfere with your leg work?------------------ "The war of life is waged on a mental battleground." - me
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posted January 18, 2001 04:52 AM |
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I walk to work 3.5 miles twice a week, tue, and thur. and no it doesn't hinder my leg workout in the slightest (saturday)I love this schedule! I would rather work 4 days a week instead of 3 but 3 keeps me "hungry" I am ready to go to war each and every workout! I love it. ------------------ "I must not fear, fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." -------------------- "the hardest most painful rep is the easiest to remember."
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posted January 19, 2001 12:21 AM |
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I've never tried 3 on, 4 off. I'd say your intensity is through the roof on training days. I'm somewhat addicted to the gym...I'm addicted to getting a pump at least 5 times a week. I'm sure 3 days on works well, especially if you are balls-to-the-wall all 3 times, but I don't think I could do that, although it would probably be better for me as far as recovery and gains go. What kind of routine were you working before, Valdez? 5 on, 2 off or what?------------------ "The war of life is waged on a mental battleground." - me
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posted January 19, 2001 12:38 AM |
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I was doing an awesome split before too: mon- chest, triceps tue- legs wed-off thur- shoulders, triceps, abs, 15min cardio fri- back, bicepsthat worked well too! the only downfall is to my 3 day is that I love being in the gym too, and it takes some restraint not to go. I find that if I focus on school, and other hobbies in my time off it goes better. Lately my gym intensity has been off the charts! I have been lifting for 50-80 minutes a session and trying to put myself in as much pain as possible. each workout has to be an efficient organized assault on my muscles. since three days a week is not that often I look forward to my workouts so much and get so mentally pumped that I usually have a good one every time. If I get a car I'll swith to 4 day split again, but I feel that I am making good progress right now. ------------------ "I must not fear, fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." -------------------- "the hardest most painful rep is the easiest to remember."
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posted January 21, 2001 01:45 AM |
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Sounds good. I'd like to try something similar if I ever develop the balls to convince myself that I'm not get lose anything taking a couple extra days off. You gonna stay with the push/pull/legs routine for any particular set amount of time or are you gonna use it indefinitely? Let us know what you see from it. I am interersted in this kind of split...I've read about it and considered it before.------------------ "The war of life is waged on a mental battleground." - me
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posted January 21, 2001 02:20 AM |
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You're previous split is somewhat similar to mine now. I noticed you worked tri's twice and bi's once a week before. Any particular reason for that? Is it because it's a slighty larger muscle than the biceps or because they work in well with chest and shoulders? I'm just asking because I always tried to work them more than biceps too, but only because they always lagged behind my bi's as far as development went. I'm doing something like this...Mon: Quads, Hams, light Tri's Tues: Shoulders (upper traps and delts) Wed: Back, Bi's, Calves Thurs: Chest Fri: Tri's, lower back , Calves Abs are hit randomly throught the 5 days on at least 3 times but usually 4 days. I'm also doing cardio at least 3 times a week after the weight training (between 15 and 20 min light treadmill usually.) I know, I know...all my friends tell me I'm overtraining. By all text books and exercise science professors, I am. But I have never experienced any symptoms of it. I always have a healthy appetite, always eager to hit the gym, no mood swings. I take plenty of glutamine and my protein levels are around 200-240 grams daily. I probably average 9 and 1/2 hrs sleep nightly. I am 210lbs about 6.5% bf, 23 yrs old 6'1". Also, I'm still making gains. I'm not currently using AS. I have screwed around with short cycles and really mild dosages of Sest and D-Bol once, but nothing to really amount to anything and I didn't even use them together. I like to hit the heavy stuff (legs and back) early in the week, when my body is fresh and ready. Those two days are particularly hard for me as far as recovery goes but I love the mental challenge of working them to failure, enduring the pain. Sometimes friday is a little tough in the gym. I am a little beaten up, my energy is a little low and my pumps aren't as good. But this is the exception rather than rule on Fridays. ------------------ "The war of life is waged on a mental battleground." - me
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