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Steelheart

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posted January 02, 2001 10:15 PM

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I was told to get into tip top shape fast one should train on an empty stomach.
I already do cardio on an empty stomach now Im supposed to train on an empty stomach. Is that ok?


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posted January 03, 2001 12:03 AM

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I am my strongest when I am full before a workout. I eat a good sized meal beforehand of clean foods, then head straight to the gym. If I am the slightest bit hungry...I can't lift anything at all. I am strange though.

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chillin408

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posted January 03, 2001 12:37 AM

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me too i am trongest when i am full,if i start to get hungry my workout will go to hell and i will feel like hell,i think its just becauese over the years i got too obessed with doing everything " right by the book" and it became a habit ,years ago i didnt really think about as much,i still didnt workout on a complete empty stomach but i did not worry about it to the dot like i do now,

but their are alot of people that prefer to workout on an empty stomach hopefuly they will post and give us more info about the 2

i think it depends on what your goal is too for example if your bulking or cutting,but im not sure

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Valdez

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posted January 03, 2001 02:25 AM

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providing my energy levels are fine I prefer to lift on an empty stomach (especially on leg day )

whatever floats your boat... I really don't think it is "neccessary to be in top shape"

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strengthmonster

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posted January 03, 2001 06:40 AM

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I have to eat all day so that my energy levels are high. My pre workout meal is mainly carbs then I have to have at least 2 hours before I work out of not eating. I puke otherwise as I train very intensely.


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powerhouse21

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posted January 03, 2001 01:55 PM

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I have my clients work out on a empty stomach (cardio) the reason i do that is that on a empty stomach you have no fuel reserve so your body has to pull from it's on fuel reserve (stored fat).if youre trying to diet or cut-up id say do it but if not i wouldnt
hope ive helped
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Hot Bod

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posted January 03, 2001 02:13 PM

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I've done it both ways. In my opinion it's okay to train on an empty stomach if you're cutting, but it's very difficult to grow this way. Your energy levels begin to dip if you train hard. Also, you can burn some muscle doing this, when you've depleted everything else in your system, it has nothing left to burn but muscle.

Especially if you train early in the morning, due to the fasting factor from your rest. (9 hours or more without food isn't the greatest thing for a body builder)

I'm bulking now, so all I do is eat. I'm always hungry, and I'm getting heavier and bigger not fatter. Generally, since I train at 5 am. I'll at least have a shake, since it has quick absorption, so I can use it for energy; sometimes I'll throw in a couple of rice cakes with raisins and peanut butter tooo,and I eat before I go to bed, so my weight doesn't go down too much in the morning.

Try it both ways to see what you like best. If your goals is to lose weight you will on an empty stomach. If your weight gets too low, you can end up with a hollow look in your face. Last time I got too low (186, 5'11") my cheeks sunk in. When you hit your weight and bf goal, consider eating before.


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Snapper55

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posted January 03, 2001 04:00 PM

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I love running on empty, then making a big meal, then taking a nap


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Steelheart

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posted January 03, 2001 04:08 PM

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I did it today with my legs. I felt great! Tons of energy!!!


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chillin408

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posted January 04, 2001 02:36 AM

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today is a prime example of how i got fucked up,i was all ready to go to the gym and my mom didnt dry my shirt (like i had asked her to earlier),she made some dumb excuse,all she had to do was take it out of the washer and put it in the dryer ,anyway once i went downstairs i found out she didnt do shit and i had to do it ,i did it like 15 min,and just left it was still a little wet, but i could feel hunger would come soon if i didnt go,so i just went,next thing right when i get to the gym,these people go get what i wanted right before,i was just 15-30 sec late,i had to wait 12-15 min,then i finaly got the other one,which is crappy and i fucked up and i felt so weak i droped the weight on the rack twice ,

this happened 2 weeks ago too,then i made up for it last week,now im back to where i was 3 weeks ,now if next week goes well,i should be back to where i was 2 weeks ago,so bottom line is in 4 months ive only really workouted 2 weeks,the rest was just waste,i hate when this happens,this happening too often lately and its fuckin me up im getting more fat and less muscle,shes the most unreiable person in the world,the only good thing she does is keep a roof over my head

the reason i didnt eat again then workout was because if i were to eat again it would have been around 10-1030 and them closes at 12 so i wouldnt have been able to workout,

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strengthmonster

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posted January 04, 2001 07:52 AM

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chillin408,
That is the dumbest most lame ass excuse I've ever heard in my life. "I couldn't train properly 'cos mummy didn't dry my shirt properly" For f*ck sake, train in another or just wear anything. Be thankful that your mum is keeping a roof over your head as many guys have to fend for themselves from a young age. I know people who have been homeless and still trained. I bet she cooks all of your food for you as well. I kept a full time job at nights, studied full time, ran my own business, cooked 7 meals every day, ate seven meals a day, kept my girlfriend happy, ran my own house ie. decor, cleaning, maintenance, paying my own bills, washed, dried, ironed, all that shit and still MADE time to train. It's called ORGANISATION and DEDICATION. Two things which you will need to develop in order to suceed instead of relying on mummy all the time.


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Hot Bod

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posted January 04, 2001 09:27 AM

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Well said Strenghtmonster! Some kids today have no idea what it's like to struggle; never mind being a parent and being responsible for brats like him. I have 3 kids of my own, and it pisses me off when they blame their lack of organization on my wife.

I don't know how old chillin is, but if he's old enough to train, he's old enough to take care of his own clothes, and food.

He Chillin, every time you point your finger there's three more pointing back at you. Learn to look in the mirror.

I always believe if the problem, is mine, then I can do something about it! If I always point my finger, I can't fix the problem.


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chillin408

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posted January 04, 2001 06:38 PM

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that is not my point, i point is she said she would do it ,and i depended on that and like always she fucked up, if she simply said no im busy then i would have done it myself ( which i should have),besides my mom never cooks anyway except once every 5 days when her boyfriend comes over,and u cook 7 meals a day?? i cook everyday to ,but not seven meals i cook maybe 2 different times or 3, did u mean 7 servings??
besides i do all the laundry anyway (95% of the time) i was just asking her for one quick thing,and it does fuck up my workout,how could u say it doesnt when if that woudlnt of happened i would have went 10 easy 10 easy then 10 to failuar,vesus 10 hard,2nd set fucked up,3rd set fucked up,4th finally 8 ,plus the whole time i never feel pumped when im on an empty stomach,i still feel pumped a little but nothing compared to when i workout about 1.5 hours after i eat

oh yea also i am natural,i dont know about u,if i was on juice,i would guess even if i had a bad workout that i would still grow

also u know people who are homeless and still train,i would like to know what your definiton of homeless is??

also i only one shirt that is a shirt im able to workout in ,i dont have alot of t shirt type shirts,im not gonna wear a button shirt to the gym

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BigAndy69

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posted January 04, 2001 07:37 PM

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If your trying to gain weight, training on an empty stomach is not a good idea. You need to carb up before a workout or your body will be using protein for fuel and that can't be good for muscle growth.


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GutsyGirl

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posted January 05, 2001 01:03 AM

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The only time I don't eat before a workout is when I work abs. I find that it makes me feel sick if I eat first. I grab two glasses of skim milk and am ready to go.


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Valdez

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posted January 05, 2001 04:14 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by chillin408:
that is not my point, i point is she said she would do it ,and i depended on that and like always she fucked up, if she simply said no im busy then i would have done it myself ( which i should have),besides my mom never cooks anyway except once every 5 days when her boyfriend comes over,and u cook 7 meals a day?? i cook everyday to ,but not seven meals i cook maybe 2 different times or 3, did u mean 7 servings??
besides i do all the laundry anyway (95% of the time) i was just asking her for one quick thing,and it does fuck up my workout,how could u say it doesnt when if that woudlnt of happened i would have went 10 easy 10 easy then 10 to failuar,vesus 10 hard,2nd set fucked up,3rd set fucked up,4th finally 8 ,plus the whole time i never feel pumped when im on an empty stomach,i still feel pumped a little but nothing compared to when i workout about 1.5 hours after i eat

oh yea also i am natural,i dont know about u,if i was on juice,i would guess even if i had a bad workout that i would still grow

also u know people who are homeless and still train,i would like to know what your definiton of homeless is??

also i only one shirt that is a shirt im able to workout in ,i dont have alot of t shirt type shirts,im not gonna wear a button shirt to the gym

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I am in NO WAY trying to get on your nerves dude but what does "being natural" have to do with anything about that situation? I see that you edited that post 3 times so obviously you thought it did somehow?? I'm clueless. I live with my parents too, and yeah I would have been a little thrown off but I wouldn't say that she "fucked up as she always does" give her a break dude, she's a single parent. Yeah you probably wish her "boyfriend" would keel over and die, but it's not necessary to post it over the internet.

again, no flame. (although you probably will take it as such) I'm just saying you should look at it from a different perspective.

did you drive to the gym? I don't have a car, so I can't DRIVE to the gym whenever I up and feel like it. so

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posted January 05, 2001 04:15 AM

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by the way, I don't presume to no about your family. This was all "speculation"


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chillin408

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posted January 05, 2001 04:41 AM

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if i was on juice ,little things like a poor workout or skiping one day because christmas is closed wouldnt make as much as a difference

if my workouts average at 90% percent on juice is probably still 5 times better than working out 100% naturally

ok and now when i say 90 % ,u guys are gonna say " oh well why didnt u just push yourself harder ,etc" thats not point,no matter how hard u push yourself,lets say if u were to give it 100% your body might only exert 90%, or less , but when its a better day ,like for me that is with a full stomach i will exert 100 percent but and my body will follow

plus if i was on juice,i wouldnt have to worry about every little tiny bitty thing,i probabl would anyway but if i didnt i would get ALOT better results that doing everything by the book naturally

also like i said in my first post ,this probably isnt true in everyone ,years back i dont remember worrying about timing as much as i do now,but i still did,i think i got into a habit of this and programed my mind into thinking like this and im also being too aware of every little thing,most of u dont worry about little things like that so u dont even think about and just go workout,probably by my tone i make it sound like i am just walking in the gym and doing a weight i can capable of doing 30 times just 10 and finishing quick thats not case,fuck im sick of explaining what im talking about,bottom line is about the "what juice has to do with this is" if u are working out naturally and u fuck up and have a bad workout it will cost u dearly,at least me because im a hardgainer, but if your on juice and u have a bad workout it is better than a great workout being natural,now when i say bad workout i dont mean extremely horrible,all i mean is diong 2 reps less or 1 less rep on a particular set or so,and to me that make a difference,also feeling legathic the whole time and not getting as good as a pump as i would on a full stomach

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ok second edit ,i dont want u guys to think i am member of the anti juice colition,i have nothing against people on juice,i am just explaining that things are a little different when your natural and that u cant expect a natural to get results sloppy workouts verus juicers

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shit another example so u guys know what i am talking about and know what i mean by sloppy so u wont exgerate it due to my tone,say im at school on the westside,i wont just go to the gym because im in that area ,i would go home and eat a big meal then rest for 1 hour and 3o min then workout, now if i was a juicer,i probably wouldnt do shit like that,i would just go earlier in the day to workout to have the rest of the day free, the kind of difference between working out after school like that versus going home eating resting then working is the difference from sloppy versus good, i am just explaing this again so when i say sloppy or fucked up work out u wont picture in mind i did 2 sets with the bar then left the gym or some shit like that

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strengthmonster

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posted January 05, 2001 06:41 AM

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chillin408, the point is your mum is probably one hell of a lot busier than you and simply forgot about your shirt. To you this was obviously a major problem and as you are not a focused and dedicated person the shirt totally f*ck*d up your tiny little world. A true bodybuilder would not really give a f*ck what he trained in. I have been to the gym countless times and forgot to throw my top in my bag so I just train in whatever I've got on, coat, formal shirt, naked, I don't give a damn. The only person you can blame for a bad workout is yourself. I always carry my food with me so I'd have just ate some more if I needed to. Preparation is the key to sucess.
As you said "like always she fucked up". Seems to me her f*ck up was giving birth to an insolent, arrogant, selfish brat like you.
Yes I do cook seven MEALS a day. Some times eight if I can manage it and also wake myself at 4 am to drink a protein in the night. That is because I am a bodybuilder and not some lame ass kid who probably can only cook himself beans on toast or ready made microwave meals three times a day. Correction two, you probably get your school dinner made for you.
95% of the time you say you do all the laundry. I bet that's your own, not the whole households. Even if you do, you should be helping out aroung the home. Like you said she puts a roof over your head. Even when I lived at home with my parents I did all my own cooking and I was eating six meals a day then (I was also natural at the time, but realised the importance of my diet even then, unlike you) I was studying full time at college and had to get jobs in bars, shops, security and eventually on the doors just to pay my food bills. I bought all my own food as I knew that my mother couldn't afford it and always helped her as much as I could. I had tremendous respect for my parents and even more so now that I am older and realise what they had to go through, now I have my own child.
What the hell does being natural have to do with your performance in your workout. Being natural is your choice but let me tell you something. Before I used gear I was a natural bodybuilder for six years, which is probably longer than you have trained for altogether. So I know about natural training. I also cycle my courses which means regularly coming off gear and training naturaly. You have to train hard to grow, whether on or off. You will grow faster but that is mostly due to greater recovery. Do you think the steroids do the workout for you or something. I train harder than anybody I know, whether on or off gear. Do you really think it doesn't matter if I skip a workout as you said. You also said naturally you can only put out 90% and on gear it's probably 5 times better. How would you know? You've never taken gear. Believe me, it is NOT that good. It is not magic, Father Christmas is not real and there are no fairies at he bottom of the garden.
Undoubtedly you will probably try some soon as you seem to be that type of weak willed person who goes around blaming all of your misfortunes on everybody else. You'll probably sit back and wonder why you arn't growing form three tiny meals a day and immediately think its because you are not on gear. Either that or you'll just give up once you realise you've a dick in your pants and get old enough to buy drink. You should sort your diet out first and learn how to stay focused on your training. Learn to appreciate those around you and treat them with respect. You will be surprised how much they really can help you if you don't be so selfish all of the time.
Without resistance training to break down the muscle tissue, it cannot grow, gear or not. If I ever miss a session (which is very, very rare) I am usually devastated. To me it makes a big difference as I am a hard gainer also. I have to put in 100% every single workout, whether on gear or not. Not only do I put in 100% effort in the gym it is a 100% effort 24 hours a day. I am constantly focused on my training. I have to force feed my self constantly. Research all the latest information to stay ahead of the game, ensure I have all the correct things I need; vitamins, minerals, protein other supplements (not to mention putting a dry shirt in my bag hehe). All day long I have to mentally prepare myself for my workout as I put so much into it. As for timing, everything is critical.
Until you are knowledgeable I would suggest that you keep your words for your school books. You still have a lot of learning to do. Yes I have been flaming but hopefully you will be intelligent enough to pick the useful information out of this post and apply it to your life as it seems to me you need to do some serious thinking if you want to be a success.


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chillin408

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posted January 05, 2001 05:49 PM

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chillin408," the point is your mum is probably one hell of a lot busier than you and simply forgot about your shirt. To you this was obviously a major problem and as you are not a focused and dedicated person the shirt totally f*ck*d up your tiny little world".

no,uve lost the point along time ago,the point was....is it ok to eat on an empty stomach,your roid rage and wanting to pick a fight has changed the topic to bashing me(over the internet too WOW!)

"A true bodybuilder would not really give a f*ck what he trained in. I have been to the gym countless times and forgot to throw my top in my bag so I just train in whatever I've got on, coat, formal shirt, naked, I don't give a damn. The only person you can blame for a bad workout is yourself".

so your a true bodybuilder,by the way im just a recreational lifter,so since your a true bodybuilder i take it your huge and ur probably almost pro and u probably take shitloads of juice,u workout naked??? that just shows how alot of the other comments u made were ridulous,like making 8 meals (not 8 servings ) a day,yea right,maybe one day u did ,but not on a day 2 day basis

" I always carry my food with me so I'd have just ate some more if I needed to. Preparation is the key to sucess

As you said "like always she fucked up". Seems to me her f*ck up was giving birth to an insolent, arrogant, selfish brat like you".

how am i an aggorant ,selfish brat..hey bitch just because u are going threw a roid rage dont talk shit to me.u need to learn how to control yourself,whether your natural or on juice,i take it your on juice since u never answered. by the way u are aggorance personified look at your replys,i wasnt even talking to u ,and all of a sudden your trying to start shit.your just a fuck up

"Yes I do cook seven MEALS a day. Some times eight if I can manage it and also wake myself at 4 am to drink a protein in the night. That is because I am a bodybuilder and not some lame ass kid who probably can only cook himself beans on toast or ready made microwave meals three times a day. Correction two, you probably get your school dinner made for you".

i dont do any of the shit u just mentioned, and i KNOW U dont cook 8 meals a day,or seven. also the lame ass kid your talking about is probably bigger than u were at his age, and i am just a recreational lifter

"95% of the time you say you do all the laundry. I bet that's your own, not the whole households. Even if you do, you should be helping out aroung the home. Like you said she puts a roof over your head. Even when I lived at home with my parents I did all my own cooking and I was eating six meals a day then (I was also natural at the time, but realised the importance of my diet even then, unlike you) I was studying full time at college and had to get jobs in bars, shops, security and eventually on the doors just to pay my food bills. I bought all my own food as I knew that my mother couldn't afford it and always helped her as much as I could. I had tremendous respect for my parents and even more so now that I am older and realise what they had to go through, now I have my own child".

assuming everything u just said is true( which i doubt) u know what ..i feel sorry for u youve had such a tough life, why do u even lift weights if u got so much else to do. if my life was that tough i would probably quit working or workout less
"What the hell does being natural have to do with your performance in your workout. Being natural is your choice but let me tell you something. Before I used gear I was a natural bodybuilder for six years, which is probably longer than you have trained for altogether. So I know about natural training. I also cycle my courses which means regularly coming off gear and training naturaly. You have to train hard to grow, whether on or off. You will grow faster but that is mostly due to greater recovery. Do you think the steroids do the workout for you or something. I train harder than anybody I know, whether on or off gear. Do you really think it doesn't matter if I skip a workout as you said. You also said naturally you can only put out 90% and on gear it's probably 5 times better. How would you know? You've never taken gear. Believe me, it is NOT that good. It is not magic, Father Christmas is not real and there are no fairies at he bottom of the garden.
Undoubtedly you will probably try some soon as you seem to be that type of weak willed person who goes around blaming all of your misfortunes on everybody else. You'll probably sit back and wonder why you arn't growing form three tiny meals a day and immediately think its because you are not on gear. Either that or you'll just give up once you realise you've a dick in your pants and get old enough to buy drink. You should sort your diet out first and learn how to stay focused on your training. Learn to appreciate those around you and treat them with respect. You will be surprised how much they really can help you if you don't be so selfish all of the time.
Without resistance training to break down the muscle tissue, it cannot grow, gear or not. If I ever miss a session (which is very, very rare) I am usually devastated. To me it makes a big difference as I am a hard gainer also. I have to put in 100% every single workout, whether on gear or not. Not only do I put in 100% effort in the gym it is a 100% effort 24 hours a day. I am constantly focused on my training. I have to force feed my self constantly. Research all the latest information to stay ahead of the game, ensure I have all the correct things I need; vitamins, minerals, protein other supplements (not to mention putting a dry shirt in my bag hehe). All day long I have to mentally prepare myself for my workout as I put so much into it. As for timing, everything is critical.
Until you are knowledgeable I would suggest that you keep your words for your school books. You still have a lot of learning to do. Yes I have been flaming but hopefully you will be intelligent enough to pick the useful information out of this post and apply it to your life as it seems to me you need to do some serious thinking if you want to be a success.


i didnt even read the rest of your post just skimed threw it, ive been lifting for 5 1/2 years, fuck responded to the rest of that shit cuz it just sounds like your trying run a power trip over the computer ,i hope u never become a teacher or have kids especially if your gonna yell at them and treat them like this

oh yea also let me add something since u adding a whole lot of stuff that u want us all to give u a clap for, my mom kicked me out of the house for 4 months,and in your terms i was homeless,and i didnt train,so what, why should u train if u are going through some things.that is alot of other stuff like this i can add ,but i am not cuz its dumb,your just looking for someone to say "strengh u are the man u have such a tough like and u still train etc" ,also in your opinoin training is the most important thing in life, where are your priorities bro

oh yea , and i know it was not needed to ad my mom to that post but since i was talking about how training on an empty stomach fucks me up i decided to ad my mom into it because of my hatred toward her

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I usually post under the womens board but was reading through this thread and thought I would say something. First off all to talk about your mother like that is very disrespectful!!! You make such a big deal over a tiny shirt?? I think there are much worse things in life than that. Your workout routine and its success is your responsibility and you control it, no one else. Outside factors should not even bother you nor alter your workout. To rant and say f*uck every 2 words is very immature and has what purpose?? And your comments on juice.... it is not a magic pill and you cant skip working out, eating or sleeping like you seem to think. You have to train heavy and hard and eat like no other. If it were that simple everyone would be huge and be successful. You really should listen to these guys and stop arguing back and forth. Being ignorant is not cool.


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chillin408

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ok i guess being natural is not cool,u guys are talking about how i take the easy way out, u are the ones on juice,if anything thats more of an easy way out,so your contradicting yourself
by the way u dont know my mom, is the same mom who took away all my cds when i was 15, same mom who now when im 19 says if i see that ephedrine stuff u are not living here no more, same mom when i bring a nutritional bar that says animal snak on it( u konw universal everything says animal), my mom thinks its steriods, same mom who kicked me out the house over suspesion of steriod use, maybe talking like that to your mom is disrespectful but not mine,remember eveyrone is different,by the way i wasnt talkin to any of u i was simply showing how working out on an empty stomach fucks me up and u guys switched the subject,i wasnt even talkin to any of u, that strengthM guy comes at me and says alot of shit when he lives with a family or use to live a family that is alot different from mine, i guess he thinks everyone is exactly the same or he must just be pyhchic
"and you cant skip working out, eating or sleeping like you seem to think"

by the way i happened to look at some of strength monsters old posts ,and he said after 6 years of lifting,actually here is it is...

"When I was 15 in '88 I picked up my first db weighing 112lb at 5'11". I was one scrawny mf. Probably from my martial arts training and fast metabolism. After 3 years at 18 training naturally I got up to about 140lb I also grew a couple of inches to make 6'1". By 21 I was about 154lb after 6 years of totally natural training. I then did my first cycle after years of research and jumped up to 182lb in 8 weeks. I then took cycles over the next 2 years and got up to 220lb, "-strength monster

wow! what fuckin great gains, a few posts ago u said u trained your ass off for 6 years,i can see it definetly with your results,before u run your mouth anymore here are my results

begining of freshman year-5'4 114 90lb max bench
begining of sophomre year -5'6 142

begining of junior year 5'8 175 soft

begingng of senior year 5'8 175 hard
begining of first year of colleg 5'8'1/2 185
last may - 5'9 225 benched 255x10(last set)
behing the neck 185x10
bent over rows 245x10,no warps (last set)
after that my mom kiced me out of the house for 4 monhts, i didnt really touch a weight, i started up again and i have got alot of my strenght bcak ,im around 245x8 right now in benching still havent got back everything,
from looking at our results ,i think u better think twice about teling me im a lazy person and saying stuf like "Undoubtedly you will probably try some soon as you seem to be that type of weak willed person who goes around blaming all of your misfortunes on everybody else".

see this is another example because of spending all this time reponding ,i was suppose to leave 15 min ago,here goes another shitty workout ( now this one is my fault because i didnt have to respond to u )


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There is probably more to your mom than what you are saying. They were probably some messed up cds you didn't need to be listening to anyways, and any mom would be worried about possible use of steriods! Its her house her rules. You have to follow those whether you like it or not or go somewhere else. And even when your mother makes a mistake you still owe her respect she gave birth to you and raised you. You ramble on and on about these things and they are really no big deal. If you have a f*ucked up workout because of replying, you were not meant for bodybuilding, and may needd some physchological help


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I eat six times a day. My stomach is never emopty.


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chillin408

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ever since i increased my frequency of meals,every 2-3 hours, i feel more hungier


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Under normal circumstances I would not even bother to reply again, other than the fact that your blatant ignorance and stupidity have annoyed me. I was hoping that you were intelligent enough to at least take a constructive criticism and maybe help your self out of the pit which you have dug, however you merely skimmed the parts which were derogatory and responded with yet another barage of insults. Politeness has now gone out of the window.
As you said, you didn't even read my post, so why the f*ck did you quote it. Only a fool would quote something which he has never even read.
I do have children and they are raised well. I spend more time and have more love for them than you can imagine. Training is a very important part of my life and yes, to somebody who does not understand it, it probably seems on the border of obsessive. However, it is my lifestyle, not my life. It is something that I work with that benefeits and compliments the rest of my life.
"If I ever become a teacher" Read my posts dumb f*ck, I AM A TEACHER. I run a successful martial arts association within the UK and I teach adults and children on a regular basis. They aren't forced to attend, in fact they pay me a great deal of money for my advice but I suppose you know better. My clubs are very successful and still continue to grow.
Your hatred towards your mum is very disturbing. As one of the bros mentioned I now really believe that you should seek psychological help. No doubt this advice will infuriate you further and send you into a state of irrational thinking once again, where your only defence will be to respond with even more bullsh*t.
From what I can gather from your poorly constructed vocabulary you are at least 19 years old (physically at least if not mentally). If you cannot resolve these problems with your mother then F*CKING LEAVE HOME PRICK! STOP F*CKING CRYING OVER THE CD COLLECTION SHE TOOK OFF YOU WHEN YOU WERE 15. You were probably annoying the hell out of her playing Nsync and Backstreet boys that loud anyway. No wonder she kicked you out. She probably only let you move back in because she realised you were such a sad f*ck that you could't even fend for yourself.
I never, ever, once said that there is anything wrong with being a natural. As I stated I trained naturally for 6 years, which incidentally ties up with the quote of mine that you dug up. All of which is correct and true and ties in with all other things I may have quoted on this site. That's because I always speak the truth and not complete b*ll*cks like you.
You seem to think I'm trying to get respect from all the bros here. Let me tell you something son, I have all the respect that I need from my personal friends and associates. Respect that I have earned through my dedication. I have risked my life for my friends on many occasions and would do so again. I do not need any recognition from anybody at this site or anywhere else for that matter. I am here simply to offer what advice I can and to learn for myself. If you look at the top of this thread you will see that my first quote was simply just a statement of my personal experience on the initial subject. I merely responded to the sh*t for brains comment that you came up with as it seemed very negative advice to offer someone and p*ssed me off right from the start. This was backed up by other bros who also commented on it, but I suppose you 'know everything' and are right. We at elite are so blessed by your almighty pressence oh great one. I have all the recognition that I need, unlike yourself, who to me seem in a desperate attempt to annoy everyone that you come into contact with, starting with your own mother.
You say your gains are so much better than mine. As you said you managed to get up to 185lb, which isn't all that bad but then you have to talk bullsh*t by saying that you suddenly jumped up an extra 40lb to 225lb within such a short space of time. I have never in my life heard of anybody 'natural' or on gear putting on 40lb of lbm in such a short space of time. Sorry but this is complete and utter bullsh*t, as I am sure all the other bros will agree. Even with this in mind that is still a total gain from your starting weight of 111lb. OK it doesn't take a genious to look back and work out my total gains were 108lb in my bodybuilding life. GOSH I AM SO JEALOUS OF THAT EXTRA 3lb, YOU MUST BE PHENOMINAL, NOT!
Personally I think you are a little boy, who gets bossed around by their mummy and so spends all of their 'grounded' time in their room on their pc. in a fantasy world, where they believe they are big. She probably lets you out to the gym every once in a while, where you have to put on the 'infamous gym top' that you cannot train without as it makes you look slightly bigger. Other wise you would feel too intimidated by all the real big boys who actually put the effort in. By the way you better not respond to this post or you'll be late for the gym, with all the edits you'll have to make AGAIN, trying to make your utter w*nk sound good. Then you'll go into a catabolic state, where your workout is only 90% because you are not on magic drugs that make you train at 500% with no effort whatsoever,like the rest of us. In fact the truth is, we all take them and never actually train or diet, we just grow. Ask Ronnie Coleman, he got some that took his bodyfat down to .33% BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Back to reality; may I remind you that I am very lean, at 6'1" my waist measures 30" off season and 28" or less when cut and I have no reason to bullshit. I don't claim to be 300lb, but I have taken many years of blood, sweat and tears to get where I am today and I am proud of my accomplishments. I still have plenty of growing to do before I compete in November and am focused enough not to let a little d*ckweed like you spoil my day or my workout. I've said all that I have to say. If you still can't see the full picture I would suggest reading over this full post from start to finish and maybe then you will realise the error of your ways. However, I doubt you have the integrity or the patience. From now on all my replies to this post shall be in the form of one word answers as you probably will have the mental capacity to understand them.
Sincerly wishing all the best in your fantastic life you have ahead of you, I can tell you will go far,

Strengthmonster.

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strengthmonster,
Let him be ignorant if he wants He will only get smaller .

Your mommy does your laundry?
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Lol @ BigJay.

Chillin you are a disgrace to our sport and perhaps even to your family. Your mum gave birth to you, she brought you up, she took care of you & in return its all her fault your not growing. Yes & if you took steroids you would grow into the next O. Let me tell you something that you probably didnt know.

I feel sorry for anyone related to your lame, ignorant ass.

I have never heard so much shit come out of one mouth before.

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I won't be able to eat today because my mommy forgot to pack my bag lunch. I won't be able to get big all because of her. Boo Hoo


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I have my mom workout for me.


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chillin408

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i said last may,it was actually the end of may,that is 9 monhts later from the last post,alot of people gain 40lbs in 9 monhts,i never said it was all muscle,by the way i didnt read your whole post(5 page essay) this time either ,i just looked at it for about a 1-2 min,the reason i responded telling u my gains was only as a defensive because u said your trained your ass off for 6 years and that im a lazy s.o.b, if im a lazy s.o.b and gained more weight than u did in 5 and a half years,i wonder what that will make u

and to all the other people saying shit about me ..only a coward rides on other's shoulders
why dont we just get back to the originally subject ( like i did a few posts ago,before u guys replied) ,the original topic is " working out on an empty stomach"


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Did Your Mom Write That For Ya?

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You are the one who opened yourself up to comments by ranting and raving over a shirt your mother did not tend to. This is a board to chat and learn from, not kindergarden class. Anytime you act immature and say things like you have said people are going to make comments.


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Usually wait at least an hour before working out, and my meal is always low glycemic with plenty of water. Works for me, but sometimes I have to admit I do get hungry during my workouts. I wonder if eating before would make me puke or not?


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posted January 09, 2001 04:39 AM

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LOL!


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What happened to my simple post?

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In regard to Freak's comment... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

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posted January 26, 2001 10:49 PM

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Dang chillin, I do not think you should post to this board while on your cycle, you are a girl right?

Hahahahaha!


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i hope u are joking because your the one who looks like a girl

enough of this shit.u all went way off the topic,if anyone responds talking shit email me at [email protected] becaues im not gonna respond to this topic anymore

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Hey Man,

Totally a joke :^)


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ok sorry then


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You d00ds type 2 much.


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tns,
you were right, he is a joke.


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