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garza

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posted November 05, 2000 03:50 PM

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I have decided to do my 2 heavy lifts first. I do (currently)

2-3 sets of 8 Dumbell shoulder press

3 sets of Upright rows

Also for traps; 3 sets of dumbell shrugs


After this I have decided to do dumbell lateral raises and side raises. Two sets of each for 8 reps..with 15 lb dumbells. I was using 20's before and was having bad form but I heard that I could injure my shoulder this way. What are your comments on my workout? Also I feel slight pain in my left elbow from the upright rows. Currently I do them with ez curl bar. Whats causing the pain?

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mike peters

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posted November 05, 2000 10:46 PM

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That pain is similiar to my past. I used to get a pinch in the shoulder while upright rowing. You need give yourself more time to stretch and warm up w/ light weights before you go heavy. Are your shoulders sore the next day? To break em down more, doing side laterals I keep 20's, 15's and 10's to keep dropping the weight after failure w/ the previous. I do it on the last set or so of each exercise. I hope this helps


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he-man

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posted November 06, 2000 08:22 AM

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Looks pretty good but what about specificly targeting your rear delts? I used to do upright rows as well but not too often any more. Currently I do -

Barbell shrugs x 4
Behind neck press x 4
Dumbell press x 3
Side and rear delt x 3


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BK

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posted November 06, 2000 08:16 PM

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heman is right... do those behind neck presses. that or a front press or clean and press. something that you can really put some weight on. Also, have you just started using the ez-curl? I experienced some pain when i first began using it. just my 2�.


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big bear 1959

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posted November 06, 2000 09:47 PM

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garza give me a break you want big shoulders drop the laterals drop the upright rows do heavy presses front or back or do them both in differant workouts.allso widegrip rows hit your rear delts.
if you want to get big this is what i would do.
w/o 1 benchpress 5x5
standing military press 5x5
dips 5x5

w/o 2 squats 5x5
bentover rows 6x5[2sets reversegrip 2sets wide grip 2sets closegrip
barbell curls 5x5

[1]do this 2 days on 2off dont add any extra days
[2]when you can squat 2 x bwt.
bench 1.5 x bwt
military press bwt.
dip bwt +90lbs
then worry about isolation excercises.
hope this helps
big bear


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garza

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posted November 06, 2000 11:41 PM

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Hey bigbear, thanks man. To tell you the truth I am tempted to try that but I'm afraid i'm going to lose strength. I do want to get big though. When you say two days on and two off do you mean split the routine you listed into 2 days? With 2 days of rest. Please respond, thanks.


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HIT Bodybuilder

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posted November 07, 2000 01:25 AM

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Listen to Big Bear, he posted a good routine. Don't even bother with isolation movements, focus on compound exercises.

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garza

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posted November 07, 2000 01:27 AM

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Hmmm, Hit bodybuilder, don't you own a website or something about bodybuilding. Do you think you can help me out man, I want to increase mass, and I think that i'd do better with these heavy compound exersizes that bigbear mentioned.


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big bear 1959

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posted November 07, 2000 06:44 PM

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garza read the post agian and you will see i listed w/o1 and w/o 2.all so you wont lose any stregnth on your isolation excercises when you return to them i never incline on a regular basis but i went to gym with a buddy and followed his routine and he inclined so i all so inclined guess what 275x5 on my top set not to bad for not working this excercise dirrectly something to think about all so it seems that db benching doesnt have the same carry over effect as regular benching
hope this helps
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HIT Bodybuilder

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posted November 07, 2000 07:11 PM

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Hi Garza,
I'll help you out. I recommend focusing on compound movements and dropping isolation movements. You don't need a lot of exercises dedicated to shoulders, because they are worked from other exercises. Like bench presses, dips, pulldowns. Here's a routine that I recommend.

Monday
Squats 1-3 x 12-20 to failure
Dips 1-3 x 6-8 to failure
Chins or Pulldowns 1-3 x 6-8 to failure
Standing Calf Raise 2 x 12-20 to failure
Seated Calf Raise 2 x 12-20 to failure

Thursday
Stiff-legged Deadlift 1-3 x 12-20 to failure
Standing Military Press 1-3 x 6-8 to failure
Barbell Shrug 1-3 x 6-8 to failure
Dumbbell Side Bend 1-3 x 10-15 to failure
Crunch 1-3 x 15-25 to failure

Do 2-3 warm up sets. Add a pound or two on each lift every week or two. If you have any questions regarding this routine, please ask. Good luck.

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garza

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posted November 07, 2000 07:42 PM

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OK thanks alot guys. Hit BB, I do have some questions.
1. Do I only do that every monday and thursday?
2. Is that my entire routine?
3. What about going lower reps and higher weights on squats. Like 6 to 8 reps?

I know its ridiculous but I can just see myself loosing strength from doing this routine, can you gaurantee me anything...if I work very hard at it? Thanks for all the help bros


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HIT Bodybuilder

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posted November 07, 2000 09:40 PM

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I believe that 20 rep squats and deadlifts stimulate more muscle fibers. They are very intense, but that is what you're looking for. It would be good to keep the other core movements at 6-8 reps. Your calves can endure a lot of work. I recommend keeping them 12-20 reps, but if you would rather go lower, please do so. Losing strength on this routine? If anything I believe you should be gaining strength, because this routine allows you to recover fully before working out again. I recommend trying it for a few weeks, if you find that you're losing strength, go back to your approach. Good luck. Be sure to train to absolute failure. Have a spotter help you perform 1-3 forced reps on each set and then 1-3 negatives on your last set. Let me know how it goes.

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CHUCKLES

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posted November 08, 2000 01:02 PM

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LISTEN TO HIT HE KNOWS HIS STUFF MAN. YOU WILL GET STRONGER AND BIGGER WITH SHORT INFREQUENT WORKOUTS. I WAS LOSING MUSCLE WHEN I WORKED OUT 4-5 TIMES A WEEK YOUR BOY NEEDS TIME TO REST.


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