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Warik

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posted September 25, 2000 11:32 PM

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I am not pleased at all with my shoulders. I mean, they aren't completely unproportional when compared to the rest of me, but I certainly think that they can be better. They are weak as hell, too. Here is what my last Push routine looked like.

Bench Press - Warmup... 155x8, 170x6, 185x3

Standing BB Shoulder Press (in front of neck) - Warmup, 85x6, 85x5, 75x4

Dips - 8, 25x5, 6

DB Lateral Raises - 15x8, 15x8, 15x8


My concern is with my the utter weakness of my shoulder press. 85lbs for 6 reps when I weigh 170lbs? That doesn't seem appropriate at all. I found the DB Lateral Raises to be absolutely useless, so I'm going to drop them, but I don't know what to replace them with. Should I replace them with anything, though? Is Bench Pressing and Shoulder Pressing enough work for shoulders, or should I throw another exercise in there? No comments on my pathetic dipping please... I haven't trained in several weeks so it's like I'm a newbie again. =)

Anyway... what would you suggest in terms of replacing the DB Lateral Raises and in the order of my exercises? Maybe I should do the shoulder presses before the bench pressing because my shoulders are my weak link?

Thanks,
-Warik


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Genetic

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posted September 26, 2000 09:23 AM

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If you are solely desiring functional strength, stick with the pressing movements using low reps. However, if you are after aesthetics too, try the following routine laid out by Ian King.

Single-Arm Lateral Raise:
use a low pulley cable, going from behind the body
Sets: 1x12
Tempo: 421*
Rest: 2 minutes

Behind Neck Shoulder Press: using bar, seated, medium grip
Sets: 2x4-6
Tempo: 211
Rest: 2-3 minutes

Front of Neck Shoulder Press: using bar, seated, medium grip
Sets: 1x6-8
Tempo: 311
Rest: 2 minutes

Behind aNeck Shoulder Press: using bar, seated, wide grip
Sets: 1x8-10
Tempo: 311
Rest: 1.5-2 minutes

Front Dumbbell Raise: hammer grip start, rotate inward as you reach the top of the movement (which is just above parallel to the ground), lower using a hammer grip
Sets: 1x12 using the one-and-a-third technique (complete one full range of motion, start over, then do 1/3 of it and back, thats ONE rep)
Rest: nil (superset with the next exercise)

Seated Lateral Dumbbell Raises: use top 2/3 of the movement only
Sets: 1x12-15
Tempo: 321

If you are unfamiliar with tempo, the first number means how many seconds it should take to do the eccentric portion of the exercise, the second number means the pause taken between eccentric and concentric, and the third number means the number of seconds the concentric should take.

Genetic


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BigBald-1

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posted September 28, 2000 10:52 AM

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I agree that to increase the size of the delts, supersetting lateral movements is great. Also, it might be your triceps that are the weak link. Throw in some close grip bench presses after chest. If you want to increase your strength, look into strength routines (i.e. heavy and low reps, subfailure)

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dieselnj

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posted October 05, 2000 01:04 AM

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Bro, my shoulders are my strongest and best feature. Here is my routine hope it helps.
1: either dumbell press, seated barbell press
2: lateral raises
3: the one where you stand and raise one arm at a time.
4: behind the neck press or something else for the rear delts.

go heavy as possible, switch it up weekly.

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Because there is nothing worse in life than being ordinary.


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BK

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From:Swift Current, Sask, Canada
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posted October 08, 2000 12:55 PM

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everyone so far has made good comments. the one thing i would do is put a little emphasis on traps; they are part of your shoulder group technically. Shruggs are best, upright rows are good too. This is what has worked for me.


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Latimer

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posted October 08, 2000 11:31 PM

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I'd stick to the standing press movements and some sort of cleans.


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