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Steelheart

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posted September 13, 2000 05:47 PM

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When most people train they like to do splits. Chest, bis,...Delts tris etc. If you think about it, does it really make any sense at all? Same thing with isolation exercises...why?

When you do an exercise like say dips, ALL your pressing muscle receive stimulation. All of your Chest, tris, delts, abs etc...
Same as in the Chins. Back, bis, abs etc...
So why do people work their delts on seperate days if they already trained it with dips? It seems like most people feel that Dips work chest and chest only, therfore they feel they need to work delts and tris on seperate days, which means they are training their pushing muscle 3x per week. Hmmmm...is that why nobody seems to be gaining?
Our bodies are meant to work together, so why do isolation exercises? Please dont mention inner or outter chest. Or upper bis, inner/ lower bis. Think about it. With curls. Why bb curl 80lbs when you can do curl grip chins with b/w plus weight. And I guarantee the weight will be alot more than 80lbs. What does this mean? More growth.
To create even more contraversy, I feel that the dip is the superior upper body pressing movement ever. Why? think about it... You do dips with B/w plus, say 100lbs. For me that would be a total of 315lbs for 10 reps! Can I bench that? Nope!
Also the need to use many exercises I find it hard to beleive we need it. Our muscle work on an all or none basis which means that if I do a dip, does that mean only certain parts of my chest will grow? Absolutely not!
Just a thought here at work and bored.

[This message has been edited by Steelheart (edited September 13, 2000).]


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Gforce

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posted September 13, 2000 07:30 PM

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I've this tons of times, including a few times here. Training by bodypart is a fooloish notion. Train by movement, not by which "bodyparts" are involved. Cheers, G.


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Steelheart

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posted September 13, 2000 07:46 PM

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Yup! I always thought it made more sense...


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macdaddy

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posted September 14, 2000 12:45 AM

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I MUST AGREE


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I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING

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posted September 14, 2000 01:13 AM

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Good post! I've finally figured this out for myself. I just recently started a new routine focusing on the big three. I have my bench day, squat, and deadlift days. I do assistance exercise on each of those days. So far I love it and I'm gonna see how far this will take me.

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Robert W Greene

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posted September 14, 2000 06:45 AM

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I totally agree, i have longed used the dip as my main upper body press, and i use the chin/pull-up as well, beside the squat and dead,those 2 are my strongest lift's,with a pull up of body weight+60 for 8 rep's, not sure on the chin,on the dip i can do body weight+95 for 8-10 rep's


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Steelheart

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posted September 14, 2000 03:27 PM

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Can some of you post your routine?


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Genetic

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posted September 25, 2000 08:45 PM

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If you try by movement, you can take advantage of some of Ian King's notions of planes of motion. He recommends pairing vertical pulling (pull-ups and variations) and vertical pushing (presses) in one workout. Also, horizontal pushing (bench) and pulling (rows) are combined into a single workout. Using this method, there are many types of variations and auxiliary movements that will keep your program fresh.

If you want to learn more, you can pick up King's book "Get Buffed" from http://kingsports.net I have read it several times and recommend it highly.


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HIT Bodybuilder

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posted September 25, 2000 09:08 PM

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Here's my current routine.

WORKOUT 1
CHEST
1. Pec Deck Flye 1 x failure
supersetted with
2. Incline Barbell Press 1 x failure
SHOULDERS
1. Dumbbell Side Laterals 1 x failure
2. Bent-Dumbbell Laterals 1 x failure
TRICEPS
1. Nautilus Triceps Extensions 1 x failure
2. Bench Dips 1 x failure

WORKOUT 2
BACK
1. Pullovers 1 x failure
supersetted with
2. Reverse/Close Grip Pulldowns 1 x failure
3. Bent-Over Barbell Rows 1 x failure
4. Deadlifts 1 x failure
TRAPS
1. Barbell Shrugs 1 x failure
BICEPS
1. Nautilus Bicep Machine 1 x failure
2. Dumbbell Curls 1 x failure

WORKOUT 3
LEGS
1. Leg Extensions 1 x failure
supersetted
2. Leg Press or Squat 1 x failure
3. Leg Curls 1 x failure
4. Standing Calf Raises 1 x failure
5. Seated Calf Raises 1 x failure
ABS
1. Reverse Crunches 1 x failure
2. Dumbbell Side Bends 1 x failure
3. Crunches 1 x failure

At home I do Forearm and Grip work. I would do grip work at my gym, but I don't believe they would appreciate me dropping 180 pound dumbbells on the floor.

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Steelheart

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posted September 26, 2000 03:46 PM

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Cool... thats basically what I do.... hows your strenghth and results? Do you follow a diet also, or just basically eat?


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HIT Bodybuilder

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posted September 26, 2000 06:47 PM

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My strength gains improve all the time. Right now I'm up to 385 pounds on the Incline Bench Press. I squat 495 pounds and I deadlift 585. I've always been naturally strong and my strength has improved a lot this past three years. Still drug free of course.

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Steelheart

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posted September 26, 2000 08:19 PM

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Cool... so your actually a big BB cool. Most Hit bodybuilder are 145lbs etc... like on www.cyberpump.com


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HIT Bodybuilder

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posted September 27, 2000 12:29 AM

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No, I am not a small guy. I believe I am genetically gifted, THANK GOD. I am 5'8" and I weigh 215Ibs, 11% bf.

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Rex37

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posted September 27, 2000 09:24 PM

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Hit: What days do you do that on? Mon, Wed, Fri?


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Steelheart

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posted September 27, 2000 09:35 PM

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Usually that is the days you do it on, but it all depends on you, if you feel drained than go ahead and take a day off. I sometimes take 2 days off between workouts. MWF is not written in stone it is a starting point. People rely too much on A Monday - Sunday schedule. You need to learn to rely on your own bodies instincts.
Hope this helps.


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HIT Bodybuilder

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posted September 28, 2000 02:23 AM

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Yes I do it on Monday/Wednesday/Friday. Some people may need more days to recover.

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