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 If you knew of a supplement that worked like AS, what would you pay to use it?
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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Supplement science is really advancing beyond the wildest dreams of even the most informed scientists. Currently, there are natural and safe supplements getting ready to be released that have so far blown away all expectations. Some of these are still in the testing phases. None of these have been released yet, but will revolutionize the supplement industry. Mark my words, supplement use in the next 2 years will be light years ahead of what is currently available. The top scientists in the world have recognized this area of science as a fledgling and are devoting their energies to solving the problem of ineffective sports supplements. Many supplement companies are becoming aware of this and are trying to dump their products at low prices since they know the future does not include them. At any rate, sorry to ask you guys to read a book, but again here's the question: If you knew of an effective and safe alternative to anabolic steroids that produced a high degree of muscular development and fat loss, what would you be willing to pay each month to take it?    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 116 |
You serious,I'm spending about $300/- a month on average!  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 113 |
maybe $125 any more than that and I could be using the money for a car payment or something alot more significant to help me with my situation. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 21 |
I'd be willing to pay around $150.00 a month if I knew the products worked. Back Doc you say there are some that are due to come out soon, do you have any additional info to wet our taste buds with? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 275 |
$50 a month max... not a flame bro but how the hell can you pay 300 a month? or even 150 a month? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 275 |
and do the products you pay 300/month for really work? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 333 |
It would have to work as good as testosterone for me to pay over $50 a month... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 275 |
yeah bro i agree with ya, over $50 it had better be some hard hittin shit... doesn't have to be as hard as test, but at least modest gains should be made | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 116 |
you must be refering it to me, well my $300/- is for 'whey protein hydrolyzed dalton 520'I import it directly from USA (proteinfactory) the shipping alone cost US$100/- (TO SINGAPORE)thats about= $US 299/-,multivitamin =$40/-,B-complex=$9/- plus an occasional creatine & glutamine. And Bro,I don't do drugs,I prefer to be healthy & be able to lift weights until way beyond into my 70's,& yes if there's supplement out there that works like drugs,provided it does'nt cost me my health & weak ligament(strong muscle weak ligament)yep,steroid does that to your body,aside from destroying your kidney,liver & heart.Then I will buy it. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 16 |
BacDoc....TC? I would pay as much as I would for a cycle maybe a little more considering it's legal. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 329 |
Hey man, play nice! I can deal with being called a-hole or loser or even punk, but when you call me TC it really is a low blow. But seriously, not trying to sound like a Testosterone Ad, but the truth is that the science is finally catching up to speed with the demand for effective supplements. No ads for anything, just wait and see, man. | ||
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Novice 
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id play about 100-150....anymore would be too much ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 19 |
im very interested in hearing more about these products please email me at [email protected] and id really love to discuss more about this | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 275 |
Bacdoc i agree with you in the science part, and i think we have come a ways since the early days, a lot has changed in the last 10 years i'd say. But truth is... since creatine, there is nothing out there really to my knowledge that actually works, or works as good as creatine. Before Methoxyflavone everyone was hyping its arrival and saying it would be better than roids, when l-glutamine came everyone had a boner for it, but truth is it really hasn't helped anyone build muscle that i know of. And there's always products about to come out, or already out, that everyone at first goes nuts for, but truth is... 90% of the time it's b.s. and people get scammed not only from sources, but now from supplement companies with false claims. No disrespect for your anxiety towards future products, i share the anxiety with you, but i learned my lesson, i only try products that other people try first and then if works for them i'd use, if not forget it. and 90%of the time i say forget it. But i still am crossing my fingers hoping these guys in the labs think of somethin'.... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 329 |
I agree that in the past there have been a great many companies coming along with mediocre-at-best products using superhype sales ads. The damage they've done to the whole supplement industry is awful. To name names, I think Biotest is the worst. I hope I don't step on anyone's toes, but I was the original post way back a long time ago dissing their products and ad tactics. I think everyone is beginning to see they have a good online magazine, but their products are basically just versions of other companies products. I mean, look at MD6...it's not much more than the combination of adipo and guggul combined. I used it and didn't think it to be better than adipo alone! Then they come along and tout their Methoxyflavone as being the best thing since toilets and pretty soon sales are falling faster than Martin Short's talk show host career---all because people realized it was all hype. I won't even mention the crimes these guys did in regards to the conspiratorial ads for androsol! But anyways, they did damage that other companies must also pay for. As far as being gun-shy about future products, that's a smart move. My advice is a "wait and see" one. There will be another class of natural supplements coming out in the next year or so. I've seen some of the research so far on just a few of these compounds and I'm pretty impressed. I think a healthy dose of skepticism is needed in order to keep your wallet healthy. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 116 |
I've to agree with 'risky', however these supplement company don't have the means to hire scientist,it will take too long a time doing research & hundreds of millions of $ for research alone,what they'll do is to take the cue from 'drug making company',remember "soy"? just because it lowers blood pressure they start to push it,what they don't say is the down side of soy!it can actually hurt in the long run.Myself I only believe in whey & multi-vites,vit C & B complex & tribulus because it works for me. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 315 |
Yeah well, everyone has been made to believe that the "science" of supplementation is advancing rapidly! what a joke!! the only thing so far that gives the illusion of effectiveness, is Creatine. Prohormones are steroids, any way you cut it. and ECA stacks are drugs (Caffeine is a drug, as is Ephedrine and Aspirin) I spent tons of bills finding out the hard way that nothing works. The only thing that's advanced is the art and science of conning and scamming. Bill Phillips is just another part of the Weider line of con artists, and he won't be the last (just look at Biotest) It may be legal to sell supplements, but in my books it ain't moral... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 329 |
It's not always the supplement companies that sponsor such research projects. Nor are all research projects done in this country (U.S.). Yes, it does take a lot of money to pay for many research scientists, but the inspiration and proving ground is nonetheless there. It seems like so many people believe in the science of creatine. The reality of it is that it helps create a surplus production of metabolites for the urea cycle. The components of this cycle are known in research biochemistry to have a very very strong affinity for binding to water. This is the basis for the success of creatine...water retention. That's why so many companies tell you you need to have a loading period! Of course, there is some strength benefit from taking it, and I know that it does in fact work effectively for many people. However, in my opinion, I think creatine is only part of the solution to the puzzle. More work is needed. Some of this is being done in the areas of additional additives to the creatine coctails. As I've said before, take a wait and see approach and see what others are taking in the future. It won't be long before such products hit the market. I'm currently using a supplement as a test subject and so far the results are impressive. (Sorry, I can't tell you the product or the company name). At any rate, good supplements are out there and take some research to find. Sometimes it's all about taking the right combination of things. In other cases, it's just a matter of time before great products hit the market. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 178 |
Well let's see,if it worked as well as tren and it had zero sides it would be classified as a steriod soon after it hit the market by the government. How much would I pay before it became illegal? $1000 for a months supply!!!!!  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 178 |
I'll change that to $3000 per month if it worked as well as A-Bombs; if I kept the gains and if it had no more sides than Oxandrin (no puffyness, non-toxic). Hey BackDoc, shoot me an email so I can read up on these new compounds. I'm assuming these studies can be found in PubMed? I'll be right back to see if I can find them! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 178 |
BackDoc, what compounds are you talking about? I can't find them on PubMed. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 329 |
Sorry, I haven't mentioned any of these compounds. I would be surprised if many of the supplement ingredients in some of the stuff even has any research listings yet. Some of them are completely new and thus have no scientific listing, but I'll check just in case. As I mentioned before, I have a bit of an advantage in that I'm pretty well connected to the research community as well as knowing the owner of a great supplement company. I wish I could tell you more. I probably shouldn't have brought up the topic, but just wanted to get an idea of a lingering question I had. I don't believe in taking credit when I don't deserve it, but if the topic is brought up about any certain supplements in the future and they happen to be what I've got info on, I'll note my previous reference in my response. That's the best I can do for now. When the cat's out of the proverbial bag, then I'll elaborate more. Have faith! Advancements are on the way! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 178 |
Ok, how's this? IL-15 or IL-T US PATENT SEARCH GAKIC [This message has been edited by Zeacky (edited September 06, 2000).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 329 |
Sorry to disappoint, but none of these compounds are what I've been looking into. I'm not sure, but I believe hormones and other naturally occuring substances cannot be patented, so that rules out the cholecystokinin, parathyroid, calcitonin and some others. Not sure at all what "Bug Juice" is. But thanks for taking guesses! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 178 |
DEER VELVET Maral root (Rhaponticum carthamoides) (RC | ||
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Novice
Posts: 3 |
bump...sorry guys, I want to see if anyone else has any info on this topic |
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