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 Warning about yohimbe and ephedrine combonation
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 129 |
As many of you know, this combo can be fairly dangerous, but I'm sure most of you just shrug it off thinking, "nothing bad will happen to me." Well, today I got a wake up call. Before morning cardio I took 16 mg yohimbine (Yohimbe Fuel) 25 mg ephedrine, 210 mg aspirin, and 400 mg caffiene. To many, this dose is routine. I didn't think anything of it at first, because I have taken Adipokinetix many times, max dose of 3 pills at once of it. However, I had been off all stimulants for about a month so I guess my receptors were very sensitive. Well to get to the point, I'm a young guy with a resting heart rate of 48 beats per minute. 1 hour later my resting heart rate was 120 beats per minute!!! Lucky for me that I checked it. Although I didn't have anything intense planned, an all out sprint or high rep squating might have brought me to the brink of a heart attack. I kid you not. 1 hour later my rate was down to a more reasonable 90 bpm, and I did some very light cardio. Maybe I got an extra potent batch of Yohimbe Fuel, I really don't know. Just a warning to all you guys, better play it safe than sorry. Lucky for me I didn't have to pay a price for this wake up call.     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 110 |
I use same combo on occasion. I'd recommend dropping the Yohimbe to 8mg. That's about all I can tolerate at one time. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 46 |
I really don't see the BIG problem here really i dont think that 120 bpm is all that dangerous during intense exercise and really at 48 bpm resting you are truly bordering on bradycardia (medical term for slow pulse rate this condition canalso be a problem) My rate goes up to 150 during cardio and has for years. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 82 |
This morning I took two yohimbie caps with 400mg of caffine, 50mg of ephedrine, and one aspirin before my cardio. I usually do the same before lifting but without the yohimbie, no obvious probs so far but my tolerence for the eca stack is probably through the roof. If I do mod intensity cardio then I use yohimbie, if I'm lifting or any other high heart rate workout then I leave out the yohimbie. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 129 |
I was just worried cuz the 120 is definitly high for me (resting). My heart rate got my attention really quickly because I was doin some moderate intensity stuff right at the start and i'd say my heart rate was up to 180-190 bpm in under 5 minutes. That was what was really scary. And I had that pounding through your chest feeling. I got the 48 bpm tested at the doctors and they said it wasn't a problem. Just asked me if I worked out alot and then said I must just have an extremely strong heart cuz my blood pressure was also good. From now on I'm probably just going to go caffiene/yohimbine/aspirin and then ephedrine/caffiene/aspirin and just alternate them each week. Probably will also drop the yohimbe down until I build a tolerance for it. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 287 |
you are using quite a bit of all those substances at the same time. Maybe if you want to use that much yohimbine you should drop the caffiene to 200mg. THat is quite a bit of pressure to put on your adrenal glands...that is over double of adipokinetix dosages and 3x the yohimbine..no wonder you were at 120 bpm | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 125 |
400 mg caffeine is a shitload in my opinion, considering all commercial fatburners have about 200 per serving. and that's a lot of yohimbe too. all this on top of the fact that you didn't gradually increase your dose. you just randomly decided to pop that shit. this is how people get in trouble with eca. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 129 |
adawg: believe me, i'm not someone who just pops shit. i'm normally very careful. my main mistake was underestimating how sensitive my receptors would be. at 1 point i could go 75mg ephedrine, 800 mg caffiene, 300 mg aspirin and only get a very light buzz with a heart rate under 100 bpm. i had really cut back on fat burners in the past 6 months so this really just caught me off guard. don't worry, i'm not one to repeat my mistakes in the future. will definitely take more precautions and taper on and off more gradually. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 210 |
I have never had problems like this. I take 2 yohombie fuels and 2 xenadrines twice daily and have experienced no sides. Perhaps there was some other variable? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 129 |
like i said in the earlier post, it could be a potent batch of yohimbe fuel. many claim the batches of various fat burners can vary greatly by potency. you don't have to worry bout that with Syntrax products because they use the actual drug version. i would have to assume their is some variability in the amount of active alkaloids, but chances are it was just the interaction between e/c/y on fresh receptors. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 125 |
all i'm saying is to gradually increase your dosage. i know that when i start thermos, i get sick if i start off at high dosage. at least you know where you went wrong. i definitely give you props on being able to handle 75mg of ephedrine though haha. nice one. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 153 |
how important is the aspirin in the eca stack i just ordered some ephedrine and caffeine and was just gonna take those two | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
I've never had probems with steroids but when I took a combination of adipoknetics and cytomel I went psycotic. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 302 |
You really don't need the aspirin. Many of the top therogenic formulas don't use aspirin or its herbal equivalent (white willow bark). Twinlab, Biotest, Sportpharma all don't use it. Since large doses of stimulants aren't too healthy anyway, why add a blood thinner? I've seen little research that proves it enhances the stack. In fact, aspirin is more useful as a recovery aid. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 129 |
well aspirin isn't totally neccessary, but it inhibits the bodies release of the prostoglandin which tries to counteract e/c. your body is going to try to maintain homeostasis in any way that it can and counter the release of all the adrenal hormones, etc. so sure, you can get by without aspirin, but for me it seems to prolong the effect and it does inhibit prostaglandin release. thats why you don't take aspirin while on PGF2a. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 265 |
d1734, you pretty much explained your problem. You took a whopper dose of adrenergics after a major lay-off. Chronic use of this combo will desensitize the cardiotropic activity (beta-1) so that you don't get the heart rate and BP changes, but discontinuation will lead to rapid upregulation of beta-1 receptors. Finally you took a large dose of yohimbine (16mg), which I am guessing was an herbal product. The problem with herbs, as you know, is standardization and associated chemicals. You may have taken more than 16mg of yohimbine, which is a large dose to begin with, and there are other chemicals that have activity also. |
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posted August 17, 2000 12:47 PM