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 CYTODYNE IS THIS THE REAL DEAL?
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 33 |
O.K.fellow body builders here goes. I picked up a bottle of Cytodyne it contains as follows: Acetyl L Carnitine.....1100mg. Phosphatidylserine.....175mg. L-Alanine..............200mg. Alpha Ketoglutaric Acid..150mg. L-Glutamine.............2150mg Taurine.................10501mg. Ketoisocaproate.........50mg. Inositol................50mg. Serving size 6 pills, (3pills) 45 min before and after workout. I need the whole scoop on this product I heard to many good things and did some extensive research and found positve results. I now need expert opinion. I leave this up to you my fellow bodybuilders. Flex on this.     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 57 |
Well it is common knowledge that you need to take at least 10 grams of L-glutamine a day to make it work. Studies show, that with phosphatidylserine (PS) you have to take 800 mg a day. I guess you have to use the whole bottle from your super duper anabolic muscle builder at once to get those amounts. Your product has some good ingredients, too bad you won't get any results because the dosage is to low. TestoMan [This message has been edited by Testoman (edited August 09, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 203 |
i never heard of phosphatidylserine (PS), can someone tell me what it is and what it does? thanks | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 134 |
sorry to say it but you wasted your money. some of the ingredients do work, but not at all in the amounts in Cytodyne. for example: 50 mg ketoisocaproate. haha wtf is the point? more like at least 1-2g at bare minimum if you want it to do anything. AKA, once again 175 mg is not even close to enough to do anything. if you got 2-4g then yea might be nice. PS, same story. i can promise you that this won't work, anything you get will be placebo. | ||
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Novice 
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phosphatidylserine is a cortisol supressor | ||
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Mixed reviews I think I'll try it ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 88 |
I liked the product. I had less soreness, and more energy. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 19 |
Phosphatidylserine is an anti-catabolic agent. *clinical studies showed it may reduce cortisol levels,after exercise.By the way, if you do want to give it a try,the best results for cortisol suppression were found with an 800 mg dose in 2 evenly divided doses(400mg in the morning and 400mg before workouts or before going to bed,on non-training days) *Reference ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 211 |
Prosource magazine blows the company up like Musclemag does MuscleTech... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 311 |
To the person who said it's common knowledge that you need 10g of L-glutamine to "make it work"; What do you mean "make it work"? Research has shown that as little as 2g of this supp. boosts GH levels if taken on an empty stomach. A dose of 5g will potentiate the body's ability to store muscle glycogen, and promote cell volumization. To those on a restricted carb diet (like yours truly), a 5g dose of L-glutamine taken before the consumption of carbohydrate can be very useful, because less carbohydrate is required to achieve the same glycogen storage as would be needed without the glutamine, and furthermore, the carbs consumed are less likely to get stored as fat and more likely to get packed into the muscles and if necessary, the liver. In essence 5g of glutamine can act almost like a glucose disposal agent. In fact, Dr.Mauro DiPasquale recommends taking in 5g of glutamine before training and 2g after - that's it! No more is necessary for the body to maintain glutmaine levels. The fact that people consume upwards of 20-25g per day is due to their very large lean body mass (such as pro bb's) or a case of brainwashing by the supplement company or retailer. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 33 |
Vlaovic very interesting research, I did some research myself on glutamine levels and consumption with low carb high protein diet and basically your results are very similar to my research. Thank for the reply. Flex on. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 85 |
Vlaovic, any problems with L-glutamine comsumption and maintaining ketosis? I've done well with creatine while in ketosis but would adding l glutamine (differnt times due to competing for same receptors)be more beneficial more muscle catabolisim or even possible muscle growth? Thanks bro, I always end up talking about ckd one way or another. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 311 |
First off, I have to tell you that as of the past few weeks, I really stopped giving a shit about whether I'm in ketosis or not, or how "deep in". Since I'm in my tenth week of eating a high fat moderate protein, low carb diet (I stopped calling it a CKD, since it sort of went from Bodyopus-style to Anabolic-diet-style), I have a pretty good understanding of what works for me, and I find that a mild caloric restriction, combined with the low insulin-high glucagon, high GH and high natural test from eating fat and few carbs is extremely effective both in the protein-sparing and fat burning departments - much more so than conventional diets. In the first few weeks, I built a considerable amount of muscle before I started cutting. With experience, I have found ketosis to be a little overrated. I think these diets are awsome because of the hormonal responses, not the actual keto. If you're in keto, great, if not don't worry about. When dieting, worry more about calories and macros, not what's in your piss (my opnion from my experiences, no science involved - only hypothesis!) Having said that, I think that 2g of L-glutamine taken before a workout on an empty stomach and afterwards before the post-workout meal, and another shot before going to bed (all on empty stomach) will go a long way to prevent catabolism and promote anabolism and maintain the body's glutmaine levels. I HIGHLY DOUBT this will affect ketosis, even if you are worreid about it (maybe you burn more fat chasing after ketosis from all the fuckin' stress!). In fact, my very first post back in July was asking about the same thing, and I think it was MS that told me that 2g x 3 won't hurt ketosis; bottom line is experimentation. Right now, I am taking pre AND post-workout carbs, and glutamine plus glucose disposal agents with both of them, and I still end up choking on ketobreath with by nightime with a fat intake of 50-60% tops! Oh yeah, I also pound back about 2 full packages of aspartame/citric acid-filled jell-o, drink crystal light, sweeten my coffee with sweet'n low, and I eat nuts and some veggies, but I think that having been on this diet for so long, my body just ends up back in ketosis (I'm guaging solely on breath because I ditched the fuckin' ketostix a long time ago). However, I also think that even if you are chasing after keto, pre-workout is not the time to do it, unless the workouts are totally bodyopus style, only 2 in a row after the carbup. Now that I'm cutting, I'm gonna be carbing every 2 weeks, and taking large glutamine doses (5g) with carbs and whey before workouts, and a bit more glutamine with fewer carbs and some whey after. I did that this morning, and if my breath is indication, I am in ketosis big time. Of course, this is NOT following a carbup, so if you are indeed doing the real-deal BO, stick with lower, GH producing levels of L-g 3xper day. (probably started rambling in this post so sorry 'bout that) |
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posted August 09, 2000 02:28 AM