posted August 04, 2000 06:32 PM               

vlaovic: stop spouting your pathetic lack of knowledge. you aren't even close.

posted August 17, 2000 05:10 PM               

"They [BCAA's] also supply 10-20% of your high-intensity-workout energy." Fred Hatfield

"Dr. Mauro DiPasquale: Branched chains work similarly. They work well during your workout.

Nelson Montana: You'd think that it would make sense to have protein available while under stress, but a lot of people look at protein just for repair when resting. The thinking is that only carbs and fat are used during exercise.

Dr. Mauro DiPasquale: That's bullshit!"

d1734, you are a rude and ignorant individual. Here is a copy of a nutritional facts list from TwinLab's 2000mg Amino Fuel tablets:

Nutrition Facts
Serving Size: 1 Tablets
Servings per Container: 150


Amount Per Serving %Daily
Value*

Aspartic Acid 230 mg.
L-Valine 106 mg.
L-Histidine 28 mg.
L-Carnitine 10 mg.
L-Tyrosine 74 mg.
L-Alanine 88 mg.
L-Arginine 56 mg.
L-Cystine 40 mg.
L-Glutamic Acid 338 mg.
Glycine 36 mg.
L-Isoleucine 102 mg.
L-Leucine 258 mg.
L-Lysine 188 mg.
L-Methionine 44 mg.
L-Phenylalanine 72 mg.
L-Proline 102 mg.
L-Serine 96 mg.
L-Threonine 106 mg.
L-Tryptophan 40 mg.

*Percentage daily values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
**Daily Value not established

If you can read, you will see there is 0.258g leucine, 0.102g isoleucine, and 0.106g valine per serving.
Now, here is a copy of the amino acid profile from a container of Prolab whey:

L-Alanine 4.80 g.
L-Arginine 2.30 g.
L-Aspartic acid 10.20 g.
L-Cystine 1.20 g.
L-Glutamic Acid 17.20 g.
L-Glycine 2 g.
L-Histidine 1.60 g.
L-Isoleucine 8.40 g.
L-Leucine 10.50 g.
L-Lysine 9.10 g.
L-Methionine 1.60 g.
L-Phenylalanine 3.10 g.
L-Proline 6.10 g.
L-Serine 5.20 g.
L-Threonine 6.20 g.
L-Tryptophan 2.10 g.
L-Tyrosine 2.40 g.
L-Valine 6 g.

posted August 17, 2000 06:32 PM               

BCAA is only leucine, isoleucine, and valine. whey is, as you stated, a source of protein that has almost all of the amino acids. if you take a 36g serving of BCAA, it should be 12g of each of the 3 BCAAs. i do agree that if you are consuming large quantities of whey, BCAA is probably unneccessary due to the high BCAA content found in whey. however, they are still vastly different and not at all the same product as you seemed to imply.

and as a reply to your last post, the original comparison was between whey and BCAA. why are you bringing amino acid tabs into the discussion? i never said a word about amino acid tabs.

posted August 17, 2000 11:41 PM               

And D17, just because I wasn't very specific in what I said in my original post doesn't give you the right to refer to my knowledge as a "pathetic lack there of". The "theme" of my post was that supplementing free-form BCAA's would not have a very different effect from obtaining them through whey. While I probably shouldn't have said that they are basically the same thing, I meant to say that consuming them would elicit basically the same effect. Sometimes on these boards, you feel like dropping a quick opinion and you forget to type a word or two that you meant to say. Instead of asking me exactly what I meant, or just saying whatever it is you had to say about BCAA's, you instead began to flame me and harass riskybiz about posting the topic in the first place.
Why did I bring amino acid tabs into the discussion? Because the vast majority of people who are after BCAA's consume them in this manner. And at the end of that post, I still asked, how would it be different if you took ONLY the BCAA's, without all other amino acids.
The point is BCAA's give you the same fucking results whether you get them as free form amino acids, amino tabs or whey protein. You're getting your leucine, isoleucine and valine either way!

Anyway, since I'm on this board to help people, and get help from others, not fight, I am ending this post with the sincere hope that you too will use Elitefitness as a means of sharing opinion, experience and information, not an outlet for personal insults. And as for my lack of knowledge, I would love to know why people, some of whom aren't even active participants on Elitefitness, e-mail me asking for advice based on my posts, take my advice and then thank me because it works.
Just my final thoughts on this matter, which as far as I am concerned is over and done with.

posted August 18, 2000 12:37 PM               

vlaovic: same thing, you already flamed me in your first reply. i think the second time was a bit over the top, and shows a lack of maturity. we all have our bad days, and if you noticed, most of my flames came on the same day. i have been helpful, check some of my posts. good for you that people email you for help. if someone wants mine i'd be glad to help out.

i will also add that i don't believe most people turn to amino pills for their source of BCAAs. if they do it shows a lack of understanding of what exactly the BCAAs are. if you want BCAAs, by a powder that is just BCAAs. simple as that.