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 LipoKinetix vs HPDx,triax II,triacana-Help!
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Your_Moms_Kneepads Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 355) |
posted July 22, 2000 12:01 PM
  
Guys I could use some clarification about some of the new thermogenics out now. I know about LipoKinetix and what all the different compounds in it and also that they reccomend that you only use Guggulbolic with it and no more. Would the same go for a product that just contained usnic acid? The reason I am asking is that I am contemplating using usnic acid, triax II (cleolin) and possiblly triacana. I have access to clen but seeing as how I work nights 6pm-6:30 am I have a hard time maintaing a normal sleep schedule. I sleep well on my days i work with a little melatonin and maybe some benadryl but I am all screwed up on the days I am off. If anyone here can contribute some strategies or insights please feel free to share them with me ------------------ IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 258) |
posted July 23, 2000 02:07 PM
Lipokinetix would be a better choice since it contains all the compounds in one form. Triacana is a crappy form of thyroidal hormone, since it greatly suppresses TSH while giving less metabolic increase. I think that Bill Philips and his Anabolic Reference Guide is what hyped Triacana to mythical proportions...sort of the old, "if it is hard to get (French product) then it must be great". Lipo contains DIT which has slightly less TSH suppressing activity than T3 with excellent metabolic increase. As for the Guggulbolic, I don't really think that it can do much after a long cycle of any TSH suppressing supplements. IP: Logged |
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stinker Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 23, 2000 07:39 PM
I'm going to have to disagree with you once more that Triac is not a good fat burner. I know literally dozens of people that love this stuff and have had great success. I've also looked at the research, and there are quite a few studies done showing potent fat loss abilities with this stuff. IP: Logged |
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Your_Moms_Kneepads Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 355) |
posted July 23, 2000 09:07 PM
I believe what Cockdezl is implying is that triacana isnt worth the thyroid supression risk that it imposes. I still think its alot safer than cytomel (even though its very closely chemically related). I appreciated his input. The difficulty in making an opinion/hypothesis about triacana is the differing info/research findings. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Midnight Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted July 24, 2000 09:55 AM
I'm a newbie so don't flame me, but what is Lipokinetix, how does it work ( its' mechanism) and how can I use it to drop weight. I want to drop about 20 pounds. Thanks IP: Logged |
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Your_Moms_Kneepads Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 355) |
posted July 27, 2000 08:57 PM
Midnight. Do a search engine search for it.It will help ------------------ IP: Logged |
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sour jerk Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 362) |
posted July 28, 2000 12:21 AM
mom if youre gonna use products like triacana or usinic acid you might as well use clen..ive taken clen and it hasnt disturbed my sleep at all.have you ever tried clen,most of the side effects listed for clen dont occur in most people,i think you should try it before you rule it out since it is a way superior fat burner to lipo or tricana. ss oo uu rr jj ee rr kk than again if youve taken it before disregard my post...... see ya [This message has been edited by sour jerk (edited July 28, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Your_Moms_Kneepads Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 355) |
posted July 28, 2000 11:30 AM
I have taken it before. 12 hr night shifts (3 in a row) dont give me alot of leeway for fucking up on sleep. If i worked days I would on the clen wagon. Plus clen is cheaper than most of the supps anyway. Clen: $5 per 50 tabs. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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sour jerk Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 362) |
posted July 28, 2000 03:23 PM
say what !!!!! 5 dollars for 50 tabs, mom email me pronto! IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 258) |
posted July 28, 2000 03:28 PM
"I believe what Cockdezl is implying is that triacana isnt worth the thyroid supression risk that it imposes. I still think its alot safer than cytomel (even though its very closely chemically related). I appreciated his input. The difficulty in making an opinion/hypothesis about triacana is the differing info/research findings." The research on Triax is very supportive of its suppressing effects and lesser ability to stimulate metabolism. Will Triax work to help reduce body fat? Yes! This is evident in the number of pleased users, but that does not make it the best choice. But my other reason for not recommending Triax is that if you were to use it with Lipokinetix, then you would be taking 2 thyroid supplements, which would be overkill and definatly suppress your TSH. IP: Logged |
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Your_Moms_Kneepads Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 355) |
posted July 28, 2000 09:17 PM
Sour Jerk, thats in mexico, I live in San Diego. in strips of 20 clen is about $3 Sorry dude-you got excited  ------------------ IP: Logged |
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sour jerk Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 362) |
posted July 28, 2000 10:55 PM
damn we pay .75 cents a tab in ny. what a rip off!!! IP: Logged |
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Your_Moms_Kneepads Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 355) |
posted July 29, 2000 12:58 PM
SourJerk-thats still not too bad for retail (0.75 /tab) some mail order(foreign) want close to that.Take a trip and shop till 'ya drop. IP: Logged |
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d1734 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 102) |
posted July 29, 2000 06:00 PM
very interesting...as selenas pointed out earlier on lipokinetix, the amount needed to cause the pro-cancer effects of usnic acid according to the study T-mag referenced would be 7-14 grams for a 154 lb person. meaning unless you like to suck down 70 lipokinetix pills at once, i wouldn't worry about it causing cancer. still not sure if the antibiotic effects are of concern. and some think you should avoid anything that causes oxidative phosphorlytion because it is not a natural process, while something like T2 at least simulates a natural process. [This message has been edited by d1734 (edited July 29, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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sour jerk Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 362) |
posted July 29, 2000 10:14 PM
can you believe last year i went to the philippenes and bought a 100tabs for 7 bucks. i went crazy and spent my whole vacation funds on gear. sourjerk IP: Logged |
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BackDoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 291) |
posted August 14, 2000 09:52 PM
Actually, the dosages given to rats is not very applicable to humans. Sprague-Dawley rats are used in much research because of their similarity to organ composition not because of pharmacokinetic or dynamic similarities---for which there are very little. The similarities of humans and rats in terms of metabolic processes are similar, but not the rates. This presents an obvious obstacle to using rat weight and human rate as a ratio for dosage. Sometimes the ratio is correct, but not that often. Depending on the activity of the drug or compound as well as a multitude of other factors, it is not simply a matter of deductive logic or using a mathematical formula to determine approximate dosages correlated to humans. There are applicable tables used in the calculation of converting certain substances used in rat experiments, and sorry to repeat myself, but they depend on the particulars of the substance in question. I don't disagree that 100 mg per tablet is a relatively low dosage...they use more in other countries where it is used as an antibiotic...and there haven't really been a lot of statements regarding the cancerous potential of usnic acid. My stance has somewhat changed although I'm not going to take it---trans fatty acids used for commercial frying, margarine, nutrasweet, caffeine and other horrible things are the real things that should be avoided like the plague. If you took half of the American population and put them on Lipokinetix and made them stay away from margarine, nutrasweet, cigarettes, and all fast food and let the other half keep eating all the stuff they're eating, ten years later if you compared the 2 groups the Lipokinetix group would be a hell of a lot healthier. The guys at testosterone may have painted a bad picture of sodium usniate, but they sure have avoided telling the world the evils of fast food, nutrasweet, cigarettes and booze---which in my opinion are killing people left and right. They'll do more damage than all the nutritional supplements combined. Sorry to get on a soapbox. Just a few opinions, that's all. IP: Logged |
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d1734 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 102) |
posted August 15, 2000 12:45 AM
great post, backdoc. i'm not really all that familiar with the particulars of these studies so help is always appreciated. IP: Logged |
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BackDoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 291) |
posted August 15, 2000 09:56 PM
I guess the more appropriate "evil" is obesity. I failed to mention that in my last post. Obesity kills, and that's a fact. Have you ever noticed how you don't see many obese 75 year olds? Almost all of them die before this time. The ones that don't are the rare individuals. Obesity will kill and that doesn't take a scientific reference to back it up. If someone came to my office for care weighing 350 lbs too much and they said they were going to take Lipokinetix to help them lose weight, then although I might ask them to keep in close communication with me and their family doctor, I don't know that I would ask them to not take the stuff. If they stay obese, they'll be speeding on a self-destructive path to disease and early death. If they take the Lipo, then I'd dare say that they might have only a slight chance of severe side effects. I know this is getting off the subject, but it really irks me when someone comes to me wanting weightloss advice and then I see them in the grocery store with every kind of excess imaginable. It's like the obese people have 4 food groups...cigarettes, burgers, caffeine and alcohol. I hear every excuse known to man... "I'll start eating right one day"...my reply, "really? when? when you're taking a lunch break from playing the harp on your own private cloud?" "I just don't have the will-power"...my reply, "do you have enough willpower to push yourself around in a wheelchair?" "I don't have enough money to buy health foods"---my reply, "do you have enough money to pay for diabetic supplies?" "but junk food really tastes good"...my reply, "really? have you ever tasted chemotherapy drugs?" Some of you might think this is a bit brutal, and yes, it is...I've lost more than a few patients because of my attitude. But I'm not in the business to sweet talk people and take their money yet watch them degenerate. They can do that to some other poor doc...not me, I care too much about people's health to give em a pat on the back and say "it's okay, my friend" when they slip up and use a shovel to down their McDonald's Combo meal. I should really learn to be less opinionated, I guess. My opinion about Lipokinetix is that it should be a last resort on the fat burner path. I have yet to meet anyone who excercises regularly, eats properly and supplements properly who doesn't lose weight. I've seen women who were so concerned about the last few pounds that they resort to just about anything to lose it. That's a shame. I guess that's my stance on it. Sorry to rant, just tell me to shut the heck up if you disagree. IP: Logged |
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