posted May 04, 2000 01:21 AM            

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I read about HDPx and it is supposed to be a michtochondrial uncoupler like DNP. Heard if it? Do they both have the same effects?
I have yet to see it on this site.
It probly doesn't do much of shit, but i don't know.........

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posted May 04, 2000 01:38 AM         

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Yep, that's what the research seems to indicate. If you want, I can point you to where you can read the research that I found on it. Even Duchaine agreed that it has numerous side effects. I've also heard from guys using it that it is not much fun to take (high fevers and such).

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posted May 04, 2000 01:42 AM            

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Sure thing doc.
i was contemplating DNP, but i wanna compare the two if they work in the same biological manner.
WHere can i find the info!

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posted May 04, 2000 08:17 AM            

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From my own personal experience with it, I've found it to be about as effective as a weak e/c/a stack. The product has ephedrine in it, but not much caffiene. I did not really notice any fat loss from it. I only took it for abouat eight days, but according to the claims that should have been long enough to notice up to five pounds of fat loss. The research also seems to indicate that it could be even more harmful than DNP.
Do a search for it, and you find links to the testosterone web page, there are some articles that about it. Yeah they might be a little biased but it has some info anyway.

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posted May 19, 2000 12:31 AM            

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What exactly is this stuff? And where can I find out more information about it?

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posted May 20, 2000 10:16 PM            

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BackDoc so where can I find more info?

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posted June 10, 2000 12:57 PM         

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HPDx contains usnic acid, a chemical produced by certain lichens that has been shown to be a mitochondrial uncoupler, much like DNP. Problem is that usnic acid has also been shown to be clastogenic (causes chromosomal breakage) and anti-microbial. The clastogenicity is obvious, but the anti-microbial activity can be tricky. It has been shown to be more active against Gram+ organisms and I worry about the potential for pseudomembranous enterocolitis....think shitting out the lining of your intestines.

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posted June 10, 2000 04:09 PM            

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do a search of this board for lipokinetix

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posted June 10, 2000 09:51 PM            

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hey cock, one more time in English please, J/K. Im not a Bio major yet, but im workin on it. I do like the sound of uncoupler though cuz it = major fat loss. I get it breaksdown chromosomes, FUCK that. The other part, microbial, is a new term to me.
Are you a bio major or something? I totaly understand DNPs effects on the Krebs cycle and sides that may occur, but im in the dark as to sides of HPDx.
E mail me with sources so i can research myself if you dont want to answer in depth.
Thanks bro.

[This message has been edited by bigrand (edited June 10, 2000).]

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posted June 11, 2000 05:42 PM         

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BIGRAND, you can find more info concerning usnic acid on PUBMED. It is a great journal abstract site, similar to MEDLINE. But usnic acid has been shown to be anti-microbial, meaning essentially that it kills or suppresses certain bacteria. The research I read shows that it is effective primarily against Gram+ organisms, of which Staphylococcus, Streptococcus, Bacillus, etc. are members. The Gram- organisms, such as E.coli, Pseudomonas, Enterobacter, etc. were not affected.

The gastrointestinal tract contains numerous types of bacteria and fungi, which all normally live in a balance that prevents disease, but the use of anti-biotics can throw the balance in the favor or certain bacteria and cause major problems. The anti-biotic that I am most familar with that can cause this is Clindamycin. It can reduce certain bacteria in the GI and cause a condition called pseudomembranous enterocolitis. It is a severe hemorrhagic diarrhea that can be lethal. This is why I am wary of using anti-microbial compounds without regard to the consequences. I have never heard of anyone having major problems with Usniate containing products, but I have heard some complain of diarrhea while using Lipokinetix.

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posted June 13, 2000 05:07 AM         

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All of you guys are a bunch of pussies. I am a women and did my own research unlike any of you! Get a life MEN! :-)))) In all seriousness, I did my own research and have found no problems with usnic acid. It was only clastogenic in dosages nearly 100 times what is in Lipokinetix. Furthermore, everything that I've read about the antimicrobial nature is good--only seems to destroy the bad bugs and not the good ones. I lost 20 pounds in 4 weeks and suffered no bad side effects whatever. I read the stuff at Testosterone but I think it's bull--a bunch of scammers trying to beat down competitors.

Selena

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posted June 13, 2000 06:14 AM         

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Glad to hear your success with Lipo, Selenas, but weren't you killed by a Puerto Rican, midget, fanatic, business partner?

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posted June 13, 2000 12:22 PM            

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She was a MEXICAN, maniacal, business partner. Please do not associate Puerto Ricans with fat, demented pigs.

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posted June 13, 2000 12:36 PM         

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Cockdezl you're a racist pig! Get off this board if you don't have something worthwhile to say. I'm from Costa Rica and I don't appreciate your degrading comments--get a life!

Selena

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posted June 13, 2000 03:28 PM            

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selenas, i recomend you chill the fuck out! Nobody here is a puss, understand. We have questions, we ask and people respond. IVE RESEARCHES MY ASS OFF ON DNP. I was curious of others experiences with this, which works in the same fashion. The posting of your info was good, but the shit talkin was unnessecary. Id expect that from a newbie.
Bigrand

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posted June 13, 2000 03:46 PM         

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You chill out Bigrand. If you didn't notice, I put a smiley face after my comments!!!!!! Anyway, my post wasn't in regards to your question--this I respect. What I don't like is when people say this or that without knowing anything about it. There's even rumors that usnic acid a rat poison--give me a break!

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posted June 14, 2000 01:08 AM            

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my bad gurl. i was under the impresion that you were directing your comments toward me.
No hard feelings. :-}

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posted June 14, 2000 10:59 AM         

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I used to take Xenadrine which worked pretty good for me but it stopped working after a few months. I took a month off and started a lipokinetiks cycle. Been working really good so far. Will update on progress.

Dan

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posted June 15, 2000 09:29 PM         

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"Cockdezl you're a racist pig!"

I'm a racist pig for stating a fact in jest?!?! I was corrected by BRANDON, but this slight discrepency in nationality of the bitch does not change the facts. Only to idiots are facts racist.

"Get off this board if you don't have something worthwhile to say. I'm from Costa Rica and I don't appreciate your degrading comments--get a life!
Selena"

I could give a shit where you are from. The liberal mentality never ceases to amaze me.

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