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Mark26 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted March 30, 2000 12:15 PM
 
Do other people view steroids as cheating or is it just me? I don't use them for the simple reason that if your going to cheat why play. Working out and building your body is a hobby and an addiction. Sometimes its about the journey, not only the destination. Any other thoughts? IP: Logged |
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brandon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 19) |
posted March 30, 2000 12:55 PM
Why is ti cheating if you are not competing? I don't use them for other reason (a lot of other reasons), but I don't see why it's considered cheating if you use them carefully and honestly. IP: Logged |
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Mark26 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted March 30, 2000 01:33 PM
It's cheating because most of us non-users bust our ass to look good and steroid users don't need to work as hard. (although some do). Then steroids users never confess to cheating so everyone thinks they bust their ass like the rest of us and everyone thinks they are a god. IP: Logged |
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cjac1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 294) |
posted March 31, 2000 02:03 AM
Roids are not a wonder pill. Pop one and look great. People who use them bust their butts just as hard as you do in all areas (workout/diet/cardio/supplements). They made a choice to use them. Just because you decide not to and don't get the same results they do. Is it grounds to bash them. Is it cheating because you have decided not to, "or"? Also, if you decide to use a supplement and someone else doesn't is that something the other person can call cheating? In the world of Bodybuilding roids are an accepted fact. As for not being honest, it's illegal. So when people ask them, what are they going to say? If your frustrated with your gains as opposed to others don't take it out on them. It's a choice you made. IP: Logged |
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 261) |
posted April 01, 2000 05:21 AM
exactly. cheating needs a reference point. if one person is the one making the rules, then of course anyone using other methods will be considered cheaters. as for the statement that "they dont have to work as hard"....im confused. growth doesnt just happen and a person on steroids doesnt just go into the gym and do a few lethargic sets and grow like a weed. proper nutrition, rest and training all are still factors in the game. gains may come quicker, but the trade off is there. for those who prefer to be natural, you can feel a bit safer knowing that you dont have to worry about side effects or even take precautions against them. its a tradeoff, less worries but the same amount of planning, if not more on the part of the chemically enhanced athlete. that athlete has not only diet, training, and rest to deal with but also the cycle, precautionary measures, legal issues to wrestle with, procurement, social issues etc. like cjac basically said, its all the choice you make.whichever side of the fence you are on on this issue, just be proud of the effort that YOU put into it and dont worry about what the neighbors are doing. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Mr. T Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 349) |
posted April 01, 2000 01:46 PM
You need to actually work harder when on AS. You can't just take them and get big. You simply make faster progress when on AS. If you don't work out harder than usual on them they won't work, and you won't keep your gains- IP: Logged |
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huge Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted April 03, 2000 11:46 AM
It's not really cheating because sometimes people use them when they have reached their point of natural growth. It is kind of a way to further development of the body. I guess that doesnt' really explain why they're not cheating, but I don't think that it is cheating. IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 113) |
posted April 12, 2000 05:44 PM
cheating how is that. Most people use them once they have hit there natural limits. It may not be for you, but that doesnt mean people shouldnt do it if they want to be bigger than the natural guys. IP: Logged |
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CRAZY in ALABAMA Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 11) |
posted April 13, 2000 01:31 AM
if steriods were legal people probably wouldn't consider them cheating. They would look at them as the best supplement on the market. cjac1 is right people that take a.s. earn it by working out as hard as they can sometimes twice a day through out the week. IP: Logged |
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Mark26 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted April 13, 2000 06:56 AM
I find it funny that some of you roid users say you actually need to work harder when i've read on other topics that some guys use them because they are lazy and dont want to work as hard. They take them so that they can be in and out of the gym in less than a half hour and they don't have to watch their diet. It seems like everyone is different. I've even read in Flex magazine that most profesionals take some many steroids that they barely have to work out. I've even read an article by Yates that said he only does one set per body part. He says he hits the nail home with one set instead of 12-16. Now how is that working harder? IP: Logged |
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ANVIL 2 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 78) |
posted April 13, 2000 08:59 AM
MARK26, DON'T TAKE WHAT MOST MUSCLEMAGS. STATE IN THEIR ARTICLES AS GOSPAL. MOST MAGS. USE GHOST WRITERS TO PEN THESE, OFTEN WITHOUT THE B.B. CHANCE TO PROOF REED THEM. YATES 1 SET PER BODY PART? HE USUALLY DID AT LEAST 1 WARM-UP SET AND 2 ALL OUT BALLS TO THE WALL SETS PER EXERCISE. A.S.= CHEATING LETS SAY YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A TOP OF THE LINE GOLDS GYM AND I WORK-OUT IN MY BASEMENT. YOU ARE TACKING WHEY PROTEIN,CREATINE,L-GLUTAMINE,VANADYL ECT.... I'AM TACKING POWERED MILK. TACKING A.S. IS NO MORE CHEATING THEN THE ABOVE TWO SENARIOS. TO GET THE MOST OUT OF LIVE WE HAVE TO COVER ALL THE BASICS AND THAT IS ALL MOST OF US ARE DOING ON THIS BOARD. IP: Logged |
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Quadzilla43 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 163) |
posted April 13, 2000 09:46 AM
What a lot of you non-users don't understand is that steroids are not magic. They cannot make you grow from nothing. My friend and I both went on a similar cycle. I put on 15 pounds, he put on 3. Why? Cause he sat around and though just injecting some test would make him grow. Many of you who claim to be "natural" are not as natural as you think you are. Do you take prohormones? They unnaturally up your tesosterone production. Do you take drugs like caffeine, ephedrine, asprin, tylenol, or alcohol? IF you go to the hospital, will you refuse penicillan? I think not. Do you take extreme amounts of protein? If you do, then you are not as natural as you think. Then you may say "Protein is what your body needs to grow." Well, your body also could use some more testosterone to grow as well. All users are doing is taking their body to the limit. We want to see what our absolute potential is. I don't think there is anything wrong with it. Who are we cheating? I could see if we were beating drug tests when nobody else was on, but most of us are just regular guys working out at the gym. So, are we cheating you? Out of what? Attention? Maybe you should stop worry about how people are perceiving you and worry about how you perceive yourself. Another thing is this: I can bet my next cycle that if I went up to any of you guys in an empty locker room and offered you a cycle of dbol and deca, with clomid, novaldex, and syringes, FREE OF CHARGE, 99.9%, fuck that, 100% of the "naturals" would take it. The naturals main beef is that people will know that they are on, its not the fact that they disagree with the use themselves. They dont care about the laws, or about the side affects, they just care that people will know. Trust me, cause i used to be the same way. I used to be the same way, till i read up and did more research and realized that 100% of pro bodybuilders, close to that number of amatuers, and almost all pro athletes are on some form of juice. Even the ones that claim to be drug free are on hgh, gh, insulin, thyroid, diuretics, synthol, and a host of others. So, before u are ready to pass judgement, read up some more and do more research and make an intelligent argument. Not just one that is "I think steroids are for cheaters, and i would never take them. The End." Cause that not only proves your a liar, but that your an idiot too. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Mark26 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted April 13, 2000 12:46 PM
When some people on this board talk I lose respect for them, and then there are some that gain my respect. You just gained some respect Quadzilla. I wish more guys would explain there point intellegently like you do with the majority of your responses. I'm not against using steroids, I just don't think the playing field is fair when you have drug enhancements out there. I only take Protein, just because I don't have the time or money to be eating chicken breasts all day. I hope every bodybuilder would agree with the fact that you give alot more respect for someone that has an incredible physique that is natural than if he had gotten using steroids, Because you know he must of truly busted his ass to get that physique. IP: Logged |
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RaginAsian Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 18) |
posted April 13, 2000 02:03 PM
In defense of Steroids: Get real Mark. The world ain't a fair place. You sound like you haven't been in the game for long, so I will try to explain this in simple terms. Steroids are part of bodybuilding. Not a part everyone has to partake in, but a recognized ingredient. Let's look at the facts, so you can understand why. You said "I don't think the playing field is fair." You're right. Some people have great genetics. They can pack on mass and strength, and stay shredded year round. Some people are 7'4 (Rik Smits) and play in the NBA. Some people are goddamned geniuses (Watson & Crick) and will be remembered in the history books. What steroids do, if anything, is help level the genetic playing field. They help people look and feel the way they want to. One of my buddies is a freak. He's "natural", but can bench 300+, squat 400, and a host of other cool numbers. He also has low body fat, and looks good (from my hetero point of view). Did he work really hard? Yes and no. Does he have a good diet? He drinks a lot and lives off fast food and Mountain Dew. Does he get pussy? Fuck yeah. The point is, steroids are a tool some people use. The playing field is not level, as my friend can probably attest to. If you work out hard, be proud. If you choose to avoid the use of "chemical enhancements", be happy with your "natural" gains. Also, Quads: If you came up to me with free juice I'd tell you to go fuck yourself. No offense, but I'm paranoid. There's too many cops and too many narcs not to watch your ass. And the asses of all the fine ladies! IP: Logged |
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shmucko Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 9) |
posted April 13, 2000 06:48 PM
Who's concerned about fair or cheating? Who are we cheating? Is there a rule book I wasn't given? Does this boil down to who lifts heavier or looks better on the beach? If so it smacks of jealosy because the only competition I am involved with is the pursuit of fine ass. If my steroidal muscle gets me finer girls, tough shit. No rules. IP: Logged |
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ore Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1) |
posted April 13, 2000 07:49 PM
I agree with you on the respectability, Mark. Maybe it's has something to do with the fact that naturals look better than assisted, but I can't help but feel more admiration for a natural athlete. As far as the comment made by someone else about users having to work harder, that is complete B.S.: Steroids allow you to overtrain somewhat, not to mention the fatc that your diet does not have to be 100%. While it may seem that users train harder, it is because of the steroids themselves, and usually this is not the case when in between cycles. If anybody disagrees with these statements, please post. I'd love to discuss this further. IP: Logged |
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