There are a number of folks here who would like to try the Zebutol tabs. The best source seems to be Labtec (and those who obtain their product from them - like Flex Appeal?). I am under the impression that Flex Appeal does not ship so those of us outside of the area would need to order from Labtec directly.

If we band together we can all try this product at an affordable price. I am only suggesting this so more of us can give this product a try. I am not trying to nickle and dime anyone - I am only asking for a one time deal.

All those interested should send an e-mail to [email protected] if we get enough people ready to buy I think we can get a great deal from labtec (that will be up to Jim). I am shooting for like $50.00 per bottle at the most (depending on how many we order). We could confirm our intentions with
Labtec by using an order code such as "Elite".

Please send serious order info. only to the Hotmail address so we know how many bottles we can guarantee.

Let's see how many we get by the end of the week. I will then ask Jim at Labtec if we can get the price break. If he agrees we place our oders at the reduced introductory price.

A win-win situation as far as I am concerned.

What do you guys think?

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I can't believe they deleted that thread. Probably too much contraversy. Especially when the owner of the company (labtec) posts his two cents. There may be a conflict of interest since the site doesn't carry anything comparable.

Someone on that earlier thread asked for Flex Appeals phone number and do they ship. The answer is yes. His number is: 781-273-3134. The owner's name is Mike. They're located in Burlington, Massachusetts.

Started at 193 at about 10.5% bf. Ended up finishing at 203 and 12% bf. The most marked gain I saw was on my flat bench, which is not my strength, but I�m working hard on. I used to max out at 245 for four. A couple of weeks into it I had a chest day where I was able to put up 275 for four (natural no AS). No noticeable strength gains in legs, although hams seem to be getting much bigger every week, from stiff-legged deads. Max out at 315 for 6 with good form.

All in all, I was pretty happy with my results, and will probably try it again before I start cutting. This supplement is not a prohormone, it is from the Suma Sterol plant. Suma sterol extract, 10 mg for pill. It does help to increase protein synthesis and nitrogen retention, and has some recovery benefits as well. Do a search on suma sterol and adaptagen for more info on this product. Although it is not a prohormone, it is a testosterone booster, like tribulus for example. If you�re new to this thread you may be interested to know that there was a very long post that many people have been following, regarding Zoe Discoveries and zebutol. I was so intrigued by the thread that I decided to give it a try, and I said I would post results. To my knowledge, this product is nothing like AS, but it does have some of the same characteristics like test boost, sometimes acne, and aggression and strength gains.

My partner also used it for a month and had some weight gains too, but I didn�t ask how much. He did develop slight shoulder acne however, I did not. As I stated in a previous post it does make you feel aggressive like you want to lift, and I think that has something to do with it�s effectiveness. Like anything else, rest is import with training. I found when I was very rested, which is rarely, I had my biggest bench day and that was encouraging.

It is also my understanding that some of the ecdysone (there are various names for the same compound) is also manufactured by altering diosgenin (sp?) as opposed to extracting it from suma root. I am also under the impression that either way there is quite an art (a highly guarded one) to making an effective product along these lines.

Reports from various sources also indicate that these compounds seem to work better in younger users (presumably because of higher natural testosterone levels) than in older users. As a result many older users add tribulis (or anything else to raise T levels) to ensure a higher testosterone level.

As I stated in the past I have tried the liquid version from Zoe Labs and felt it was good. I got that 'steroid type pump and feel' but without the aggression and water retention.

I would still like to try the Zebutol tabs since there have been so many reports of good results using them.

So who wants to try the Zebutol tabs?

Keep us posted.

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Originally posted by natedogg03:
Just wondering what age you guys are??? Will this not work for someone with a high test level(teenager).

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I asked him about the ingredients of the product, and why they only listed Suma Sterol extract 10 mg. It is not the only ingredient in the product. It's a batch, and that's main ingredient, however, the potency comes from the particular part of the plant. The other ingredients are trade secrets. They basically don't want to post all ingredients so that they will continue to have the best, and others can't copy it. I understand it was quite expensive to make this batch. (I'm told $6000-) This is a small company, and the product is not mass-produced.

Knowing this, I don't think I'd be comfortable spending my hard earned $$ on someone elses Zeb. It is a fairly expensive supp @ $60- average a bottle.

BTW, I picked up a bottle of Maxabol from (Maxam Nutraceutics) about $40- there on Friday for something different. That product also gives me a rush, and some aggression. Also, tends to remove fluids from under the skin. You can do a search on this product, and get some info. So far, so good, I like it.

Please see below. You can call Labtec yourself at (800) 368-0729.

"Starting now and for the next 30 days(till 3-09-01) one bottle of Zeb will cost $49.99. This will most likely never happen again..."

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Originally posted by IBUpRoFIN:
I got my liquid version in today!! I need some help from any of you bros who have either taken, or know a lot about the liquid. I am 6'6 and weigh 205. I don't know what doasage I am supposed to be taking so any help please. There are no insturctions on the bottle except for suggested use of 1 ml a day. Is that enough for me, and if i filled the droplet thing to the top would that be 1 ml?
Thanks for any help

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You probably don't need to stack Zebutol, (if it's the real deal) with Paradeca. It will be difficult to tell where your results are coming from. By the way, that's a fairly expensive stack. Why don't you use the paradeca after the zebutol? You'll be stretching out your dollars more, and possibly getting the same, if not better results. The paradeca can be used to try and maintain your gains from the zeb.(or possibly increase)

I made sure when I used the Zeb, I was not stacking any other supps (other than the usual, mrp's and multi-vit). At the time, I was really intrigued by all the zep hype.

When I found that I could get it at Flex Appeal which is local for me (15 or so miles). I decided to give it a try, but I was tired of spending money on stacks, and not being sure of where the results were coming from, if any. BTW, I used the zeb. from ZOE discoveries. I don't think it's the same as Labtec's, but I'm not slamming them. I just haven't really heard anyone post results from their zeb.

One thing I've learned around here is: More is not always better. It's difficult to not want to order something like Paradeca, when the advertising seems so compelling. So you think, I'll take two great products that supposedly increase size and strength, and I should get more results. Usually wrong. Don't be afraid to try new things, but investigate them first, and don't stack expensive supps unnecessarily. When I say investigate them, I don't mean doing a search or reading about them in the fitness mags. The truth is usually here. Take it from someone who has spend a lot of money on supplements.

BTW, I'm not talking about gear stacks. Supposedly, they do need to be stacked together most of the time for best results, because each one has an individual purpose, they have to be timed perfectly to reduce the possibility of some serious side affects. Some permanent, some temporary.

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"I'm not a fighter.......I'm a killer"
USMC

the liquid was 3 for 100.00
guaranted stronger guaranted better price or my money back at zoelabs and in my opinion it was better.

On another, unrelated note, prohormones are actually illegal here! Ordered some 4ADiol, and got a letter from the police. Could barely afford the tabs, let alone the fucking fine on top of it