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Time to clear up a couple of things. ZOE Discoveries is the only company that sells legit Zebutol.(little blue tabs for the past six years)They work! There have been a few counterfeits out there. It's real easy to tell the real from the fake. The real Zeb is blue and it works. The fake ones come in all shapes and sizes including liquid and doesn't work. Zoelabs is a company that was started up a few months ago by a guy named Tom who went on an extended vacation a few years ago for counterfeiting things he shouldn't. He used to run Swess Pharma. Now he's back at it but this time doing it with supplements. He's obviously trying to capitalize on the ZOE name. He even shows a legite bottle of Zeb on his web site. Zeb has been around since 1994 and never contained methyltest which is garbage anyway.I have used methyl in the past and no way are the two related. Methyl did nothing but bloat me. Real Zeb contains suma sterol extract which in my opinion is tweeked somehow.I do not know this for sure but given the way it works something different about it. I used it in 94 and twice since and it always worked great for me. I also was taken a couple of times by the copies that didn't work trying to save money but lost money in the end. Hope this helps anyone who is considering trying Zebutol.


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posted October 10, 2000 02:05 PM

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Nitestalker,

How do we get ahold of the 'real' Zebutol?

Thanks.


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big T

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OK. I found two sources on my own.

1. Local healthfood store has the original blue tabs for $65.00.

2. Pinson's fitness has it on their site for $69.00 (original as well).

Can anyone find it for less? I would like to get it for $50.00 or less.

I am talking about the original Zebutol which is distributed by Zoe Discoveries.

Pleae help bros.!


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Hey is there some sort of studies on this "suma sterol extract" I mean what is it supposed to do?


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The first time that I used Zebutol I bought it from Labtec, the second time from a health food store called Flex Appeal from Berlington Mass. They were both small blue tabs. I have heard of them being white and working so who knows. At one time Labtec had a website but I can not find it. If anyone wants the number to Labtec they can email me. I can not vouch for anything else they sell so be careful. [email protected]


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posted October 16, 2000 09:59 PM

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Does anyone have a good price on the Zebutol? Under $50.00?


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McZ

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posted October 23, 2000 01:57 AM

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i'm interested, this stuff might actully work for a change, any one with any info?


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Update:

I tried the Zoe Labs liquid beta-ecdysterone (could not find the tabs for a reasonable price). It's only been 2 weeks at 1ml per day but my strength is noticeably up!

I'll post results in a few weeks.


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(ZOE Labs Beta-Ecdysterone) This stuff is still working great!

Has anyone else here tred it?


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posted November 11, 2000 02:36 PM

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Bodyweight gains?


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Everyone take a look at this site, it has inexpensive suma, but is it the same???? or is only that beta stuff differant?http://www.inharmonyherbs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=SRCH&Store_Code=IHHS&Search=SUMA


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Also, what about ADAPTOGEN N by MASS??? www.musclemass.com/adaptogen
??? any comments?
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Syntrax's Syntrabol is 200mg of phytoecdysteroids....whether it is pure 20-hydroxyecdysone or a mix of the ecdysteroids, I am not sure.


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tmi533

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posted November 20, 2000 06:16 AM

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zoe discoveries zeb was not as strong as www.zoelabs.com and they offer a 100%
guarantee used them in the past and use them now


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TRY ZOE LABS,THIS GUY IS ALWAYS CUMN UP WITH NEW SHIT.....THE PRODUCTS HE DEALS WITH ARE DEF. LEGIT.......I CHECKED OUT HIS WEBITE...SAYS HE HAS A $ BACK GUARANTEE.....TAKE IT AND GET YOUR $ BACK....LOL


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posted November 21, 2000 10:59 AM

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tmi533
I am from scranton too...have you tried any of the zoe labs stuff....this whole zoelabs/zoe discoveries is confusing...what is the dosing in zoe labs...what about syntrax's syntrabol....and what about mep
thanks dog


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celica

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what is this mep stuff and how does it work?
the only zebutol that is real is the blue pills not the brown ones. the liquid is ok

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posted November 21, 2000 04:30 PM

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is anyone smart to comment on this

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nitestalker

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I can NOT comment on Zoelabs since I have never used their stuff although since they carry a money back I might in the future. I would like to say that I can't understand why so many companies have tried to counterfeit Zoe's products and or steal their name. I guess that's just part of business. I recently purchased another bottle of Zeb. This time from Labtec since I no longer live in Mass. It has been 2 years since my last bottle of Zeb and since I have been clean for quite some time and have experienced next to no gains I thought it good to see if the stuff still worked. In 2 weeks I have put on a solid 4 pounds and my strength have gone up with it. The main thing that really surprises me is that I am getting pumps from hell on this stuff just like the last time. I really can't figure out why this stuff works as good as it does, but who cares IT DOES! At least for me. I paid $155.00 for 2 bottles. There was a $15 discount when I bought 2 bottles. I would say that it works very close to "D" without the water retention, although I have retained just a little bit. Nothin to worry about. One last thing. When I bought the Zeb 2 years ago my friend also tried it. He said it seemed to aggrevate his gyno, but he also gained around 11lbs if I am remembering correctly. I personally experienced no unwanted side effects. Here's the # if anyone is interested. 1-800-368-0729. They also have a no question money back policy although I have never had to use it just to let you know. I'll keep all of you posted.


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tmi533

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after talking with them at www.zoelabs.com
they said they will put thier beta product against any other and guarantee at least twice the results and th e mep is an oral
liquid (not to be injected) iguess a lot of pros are even though they told me there is not one advantage to shooting it mep has
various growth factors as its constituents
and some depending on the person can assimilate the product better than others i personally gained 7 lbs on high cal diet with mep in about 6 weeks on 2 bottles


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looking over this old thread it would seem to me that nitestalker works for zoelabs. Maybe I'm wrong, but he knows a little too much info on the product.


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i ahve taken it before and the shit is no joke. it is the only legal supplement that i have bought that i have gotten results on. i took two bottles. i was eating 7 meals a day, taking 5 zebs a day, and lifting hard. my weights went up 10-15lbs., i gained 15 pounds and have kept it. i also got some side effects from then such as acne on my shoulders and a irritable attitude. the suma sterol that is in it is a mimic to testosterone. the chemical make up of the suma is only on hydrogen atom different


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sounds like it worked out very well for you, did you buy direct?


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i bought them from a store in my town called flex appeal. the guy that makes zebutol is from this area and supplies their local stores. they do not keep it on the shelves, you have to know th owners in order to buy it.


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nhbking

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BIG T, what store in san diego bro?


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Just thought I'd give you guys another update. It's been 4 weeks since I've been on the Zebutol and I am up 16#'s. This stuff is awesome. It REALLY works. Sorry if this sounds like and ad but when I'm impressed with something I tell it like it is and NO! I do not work for LABTEC!


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up 16lbs in 4 weeks? what a bunch of BS, alot of steriods don't even produce that kind of results. sorry man I call bluff on that hand.

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16 pds wow lets throw away the d bal and take
zeb that is bulll shitttt

i talked to the owner at www.zoelabs.com
and he said 5 in a month is an average
but hes the first to say you cant compare the stuff to anadrol or sostanon
sounds like the other zoe is a scam


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WOW you guys are harsh but as far as calling my bluff, there's no bluff to call. that's what I gained whether anyone believes or not. I've topped out at 16lbs. The first time I used this stuff was a couple of years ago and I gained around 9lbs. This time I had been off the juice for 4 months and had only been back at the gym for 2 months. In my opinion I don't think any else would gain as much as me. I an easy gainer and had only been back in the gym 2 months. In the first 2 months that I had been back I gained 7 back then I started the Zeb. Here's the bottom line. I DON'T CARE IF ANYONE BELIEVES ME, THE ONLY WAY TO GIVE A CREDABLE OPINION OF SOMETHING IS TO TRY IT. I love the stuff and will continue to cycle it as long as it works for me. Peace


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Originally posted by nitestalker:
WOW you guys are harsh but as far as calling my bluff, there's no bluff to call. that's what I gained whether anyone believes or not. I've topped out at 16lbs. The first time I used this stuff was a couple of years ago and I gained around 9lbs. This time I had been off the juice for 4 months and had only been back at the gym for 2 months. In my opinion I don't think any else would gain as much as me. I an easy gainer and had only been back in the gym 2 months. In the first 2 months that I had been back I gained 7 back then I started the Zeb. Here's the bottom line. I DON'T CARE IF ANYONE BELIEVES ME, THE ONLY WAY TO GIVE A CREDABLE OPINION OF SOMETHING IS TO TRY IT. I love the stuff and will continue to cycle it as long as it works for me. Peace

well then you might want to include these details then. what do you expect me to say if some guy attributes 16lbs to a supplement LET ALONE THAT IT WAS ONLY 4 WEEKS. I still don't know if I believe you, but let's all get one thing straight: it wasn't the zebutol that made you gain 16lbs.


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Your entitled to your opinion but don't presume to tell me that the Zeb was not responsible for my gains. I gained 9 the first time that I took it. This was after taking cyp for 6 weeks. (I bought the first bottle at a store when I was living in Mass. and they were selling over 100 bottles a month) I am very familiar with the feeling one gets from a "juice" pump. Some people here believe that I'm lying to sell this stuff. For the moment let's assume that I am(WHICH I'M NOT)Why would I go to so much trouble to lie and maybe sell a couple of bottles of something that didn't work. There aren't that many people on this list. I'm simply trying to help some of you people here by sharing with you something that works great for me. Isn't what this board is all about? I'm really shocked at the skepticism on this board. I challenge anyone here to try a bottle of this stuff! IT WORKS! So if you don't try it then it's your loss. End of subject. Peace


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it is actually valdez's skepticism....he doesn't believe in prohormones and other shit like that...I will agree with him that some must be placebo but if you take the pill and you gain muscle who gives a rats ass...you are getting the results you want..so good luck to the takers..but if you want to get it at a good price email the guys at kilosports.com and ask them for a price on beta...I would trust there shit for dosages before zoe [email protected]


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I agree. Two things I would like to mention though. Zeb is not a pro-hormone. Also there are a few fake Zebs out there. The only places that I have got the real(or aleast the ones that work) is Flex Appeal in MA. and Labtec. Woops one more thing. This is just my opinion, As far as the active ingredient being Suma or beta I think that's bull shit. I've taken both in their pure form and they did shit for me. Just goes to show you how some will try and capitalize on an ingredient that as far as I'm concerned isn't what makes the Zeb work. Don't be so down on ZOE, they were one of the first ones to put out GHB, Cyclofenil and Clen. It's the fakes that has given them the bad name. Peace


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they just came out with stronger ones a couple of weeks ago. they are purple and supposed to be twice as strong.


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Yes they are a dark purple. They smell like grape kool-aid but if you use them sublingually they numb your tongue pretty good. Were did you find them? If you use them let us know how you do. Good luck. Peace


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the only place you can get the real new purple ones are at flex appeal in burlington and watertown mass.


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I bought mine at Labtec since I no longer live in Mass. Dark blue and smell like grape Kool-Aid. I verified this with Flex Appeal. Thanks for the info.


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This thread just doesn't seem to go away. I was going to wait to respond in a couple of weeks, but I felt compelled to reply today. I started with Zebutol (ZOE DISCOVERIES)two weeks ago. The blue tabs, taken sublingually. Grape flavored as previously mentioned. I got them at that store called Flex Appeal in Burlington MA. I spoke to the owner who was taking it himself, and liked the affects. So I figured I'd give it a shot myself. I got two bottles for myself and my workout partner.

My first concern was that there was some kind of ECA or stimulant in it. I initially felt kind of racy on it. The only active listed ingredient is Suma Sterol Extract 10 mg. I asked the owner if there was a stimulant in it and he said no, and that he's very sensitive to ECA's etc.

The feeling I get from it is more like aggression. It makes you feel as though you want to work out hard. It's only been two weeks, and I haven't gained a ton of weight, but I've had some incredible workouts on it, and my bench press and dumbells are both up. I don't want to post results until after 30 days, when I'll decide if I want to continue with it. However, I do like what I'm seeing and feeling. By the way, the owner said the product had been unavailable for some time prior to this and that this is the second strongest batch made to date. The very first batch was stronger two years ago, but it was taken off the market at that time. When it eventually did come back it was a lot weaker. (according to the owner of the supp. store) Supposedly, this batch is more like the first batch ever. BTW, I've cycled off of every supplement except MRP's which I always take. So, I should be able to get a pretty good feel for this product and it's results by the time 30 days goes by. I'll keep you posted.


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"supplenet.online" or something like that has it for a good ass price. late


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its supplenetonline.com selling regular and triple strength Zebutol (made by Zoe Labs). the triple strength only cost $35.10 (regular $75) never tried this stuff just looked into it.


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yeah the triple strength is cheap there. The one thing i hate about that web site is that there is no description on their products. And a lot of them are just initials like C.M., like i'm suppossed to know what that is...


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i was also wondering how much does Labtec sell the triple strength Zeb for? and is this other site legit? ?


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I want to say that this product may hold some validity. Yes, I am often "skeptic" as I have been rightfully labled. If persons here had positive experiences with this product... good. I wish to state that I've done some research on plant sterols lately, (like suma sterol extract). They act not by affecting hormone levels but by increasing protein synthesis. One such product: Retibol, has been heavily used by the russians after the use of anabolics to prolong protein synthesis thus maintain size and strength. This zebutol may be quite valid in it's mode of action. The price of 35.99 for "triple strength" @100 tablets seems like a fair price. You'll have to excuse my "instinct" to jump all over the next "new latest and greatest" breakthrough supplement.

ATTN HOTBOD: it was actually your post that caused me to reply once more to this post. I really appreciated those emails: and to update you, I will not be taking any anabolics for quite some time... if ever.
I still have a heavy advantage of youth on my side as far as building muscle. And I think it would be rash to jump into drug use.
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I'm glad you have made so much progress so far, as you said: update us on your continuing progress with zebutol.
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as a final thought Zebutol looks like it may be worth it.

I still feel that "prohormones" are complete garbage (I know zebutol is NOT a prohormone)and do not work, they have the potential but they are "handicapped" as far as absorbtion goes rendering them almost useless. Anyways enough blabbing, later elite fitness dudes!

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Have any of you bros tried the Zeb from supplenetonline.com? I'm curious to see if they were grape flavored. It's possible that the $35.10 price is from an old batch, and they want to get rid of it so they can get the newer and more potent batch. Supposedly, they used to taste like garbage, and were not flavored grape. That would be an indicator as to which batch they're selling. Of course, I don't want to believe I way overpaid for this supp. but it surely is possible.

Prior to buying this Zeb, I had only heard of prices in the 69.95 per bottle range. I paid $120- for 2 bottles tax included. He normally charges $65 per bottle.

A little update: I took a much deserved (almost) week vacation from the gym and went in for a chest workout today. I took a Zeb at 8:30 am., and another at 11:30. I started my chest workout before 12:30. The combination of the rest and the Zeb. allowed me to push a max bench of 30 pounds higher than ever for 4 reps, 2 clean. I'm pretty excited. I hope I can continue with these kinds of gains (or any I'll take) when I get back to my regular schedule of training. 4 days resistance and 2 days cardio. I am in a bulking cycle so my weight has also gone up from 186 to 200 in the past 2 1/2 months, so I'm sure that also has something to do with it. I started the Zeb at 194 17 days ago. Not too shabby.

Valdez, thanks for keeping me posted about your goals.

I'll keep you all posted.


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posted January 02, 2001 06:01 AM

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Isn't Zoe the company that got caught putting methyltestosterone in one of their products years ago? I still won't use it until a lab test is done. Who knows what's really in it..


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That was Amino Discounters' yohimbe tabs and the story goes back 15 or more years.

Zoe Discoveries has always purposely created a "mystery" type aura around their stuff to make you "think" it contains something illegal.

I'd like to see some lab tests, too.

I've been told their stuff is just average but that the "mystery" creates such high expectations that many users hype themselves into making better gains (added placebo effect).

For instance, the CB tabs are supposedly nothing more than a good ephedra, but lots of guys swear it is real clenbuterol.

I checked out this "zoe labs" place and, man, it really looks like a basement knock off deal if I've ever seen it.

Personally, I would not trust any of this zoe stuff no matter the source as it all seems very shady.

[This message has been edited by natch (edited January 02, 2001).]


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I'm really curious about this Zeb and am
thinking about ordering some.Those of you who
have used it;what would you most compare it
to(prohormones,ECA,groids,etc.)?


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posted January 09, 2001 05:23 PM

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i asked them about the 'triple strength" and those are NOT the purple/grape ones. Forgot to ask if the other ones were though. What store in san diego T ?????


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Well,I bit the bullet and ordered the triple
strength from SuppleNetOnline($35.10+8.50
UPS shipping=$43.60).This might be a rip-off;
they are the brown ones.The bottle has a silver label and says distributed by:ZOE
Discoveries-Las Vegas,NV 89201.It says each
tablet contains 10mg. Suma Sterol Extract;
one tablet 2-4 times a day.I'm going to start
on them tomorrow...


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posted January 10, 2001 07:43 PM

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let me know your progress, i also am very interested.


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Sure;I'm anxious to hear HotBod's progress as
well. I'm wondering if these(brown ones) are the 'old' ones. I've taken one;going to take another in a little bit before workout.It had
no flavor.I'm going to try and find out more
about suma sterol and its effect on protein
synthesis.


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A few more days of the product left to go. I looked back at my journal. I started on Zeb on 12/15/00, weight was 193. Today (1/11/01) I weighed in at 202. Nine pound gain in 27 days. Will post more results in a few days when I'm done. I'd like to see what happens with my chest workout on Monday.

To answer the question about how it feels. Is it like a prohormone? I would say not, it's more comparable to ECA but it doesn't make you racey. I feel aggression when I take it. It does feel like it's helping with recovery (limited though).

I suspect the brown pills are an older version, but I could be wrong.

The best thing that's happened so far since I've been on this stuff happened yesterday. A very respected powerlifter from my gym commented to me as he was leaving that my muscles are getting big! That's a compliment coming from someone who has no problem tossing up 405 on the bench.

Talk to you bros soon.


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Sorry Bros, store in San Diego is no longer able to get Zebutol (long story).

The only sources I am curently aware of are those listed here so far.

I still think the Zoe Labs liquid beta was good though.

I will wait to hear about the results from the supplenetn folks. They did not respond to my e-mail and I could not reach them on their 800 number so I became suspicious.

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i think nitestalker manufactures zeb and wants people to buy the shit..i smell a rat..
16lbs in 4 weeks it must be mostly fat and water other wise youre basically insulting everyones intellect on this board...
go sell you zeb crap somewhere else fool.....


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this question is mainly directed towards big t and nitestalker. i am at the phone trying to decide if ordering some zeb from pinsons is legit. it seems like everything is legit about them but i would like your opinions before i do. please respond to this asap!!! later rells777


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...www.bodyconcept.com has both Zebs for the
same prices as supplenetonline.I've never
ordered from them.Had a great workout yesterday but far too early to tell with my Zeb.From what I've been reading about suma,Beta seems to be the anabolic compound.Now I'm thinking about trying the
liquid Beta.Anyone know anything about some
of this other Zoe stuff-like the Anortharone
or Docastranine?


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This is for rouleduke777. I'm not sure if Pinson's is legite or not. All I can tell you is to call Labtec. 1-800-368-0729. This is were I bought mine. I hope this helps. I hesitate to say more since I get accused of being a rat when I try and help.


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i called lab tec but the owner is out of town till tuesday. so im gonna wait and talk to him so i can get his opinion on it. thanx for the info nitestalker. later rells777


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i know people are skeptical, but try it. i would not recommend buyingit over the net. i had a friend that did and he did not get the sam eresults as me. i would call flex appeal in burlington or watertown, or go their and buy some. i have done two bottles of the blue ones in the past, and i jsut recently finished two bottles of the new purple ones. all i ahve to say is that i have never touch AS and people always ask me what i am on. i gained both times while on aobut 10lbs. in the end. yes, you do feel like shit the entire time and you feel aggressive and irritable. also, some people and i did, break out like mad on theri shoulders. i had so many zits on my sholders, arms, and lower back that i went to the doctor for presciption meds. the shit is nooooo joke and i would recommend it to anyone. Never assume anything until you try it!


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Rells 777 / Bleedo,

I have only tried the liquid beta from Zoe Labs. I felt it worked well. I noticed an increase in muscle hardness and a little strengh increase. I was only using one dropper per day (1 ml).

Two friends tried it as well and got better results, but they were both taking 2 droppers (2 mls) per day split morning and nite.

I would like to try the Zebutol tabs if I can locate a good source with a resonable price. Anything over $50.00 per bottle is too high in my opinion. If I cannot find the tabs I will take the liquid again but at a higher dose.

BTW, I also tried the liquid MEP by Zoe but did not like it as well as the Beta.

Good luck.


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...thanks,I might try the liquid next.I've
been looking around and Suma is available
in powder and liquid forms from various herb
companies for a lot cheaper.I guess the
effectiveness would depend on the percentage
of Beta in them.I think I'm going to pick some up and see if I can tell a difference.
These brown Zebs are possibly older & weaker
but I swear I've had some good workouts this
past week.But some other factors in my life
have changed(finally off night-shift!)so I'll
still wait & see.I have'nt experienced any
extra aggresion or acne.
Hey kid,does flex appeal ship? It's a little far for me!


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yes, if anyone knows the phone # to flexappeal PLEASE TELL US! if you dont want to post it for some reason then email me at [email protected] . also, if anyone knows if they do mailorders, that would be awsome. later guys rells777


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the number is 781-273-3134. i do not knwo if they will ship. the only reason is because they do not even keep it on the shelves. you have to be friends with the guys to buy it. you never know though, give them a call, they are pretty cool.


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Flex Appeal does ship. The owner's name is Mike. By the way, I was in there yesterday talking to him about the Zeb among other things, and he said the liquid is not as good. If you call, tell him you got the number on line.


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posted January 18, 2001 09:32 PM

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extreme thanx for the info hot bod and kid! i have just one last question for hot bod-how many zebs were you taking daily?


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bump for HotBod....and do you take the same
amount on off days or is it more of a pre-workout supp?


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posted January 19, 2001 04:56 PM

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I usually took 4 per day. A couple of times I took 5. I work out at 5 a.m. So I would usually take 1 on the ride to the gym (sublingually) once in a while 2 before workout. Then, space the other two out.

On off days, I usually took 2 or 3. Since it is a plant extract it does take a little while for it to build up in your system. So I wouldn't skip it altogether on off days. I only took it for a month and had good results. I'll post results soon. I want to see if I keep the weight and strength gains. I was considering taking it for another month but it's expensive, so I decided to go back on creatine, since I haven't used it in months. I'll post soon.


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Hello, My name is Jim and I own Labtec. It has come to my attention from a customer of mine about the debate on the ZOE products especially the Zeb. Since there is so much confusion I would like to set the record straight. I currently supply many stores and gyms with the only "real" Zeb out their. They currently come in a white bottle with a black cap and a silver label.(This sometime changes) The tabs are dark blue and have a grape kind of smell to them. They can be used sublingually if you like. I felt some responsibility to post with all the confusion and the counterfiets. I am not going to frequent this board so if anyone has any questions they can call me or email me at magnum0hotmail.com I prefer you to call. (1-800-368-0729).LET ME KNOW YOUR FROM THIS BOARD. I am NOT posting to drum up business since the Zeb sells well enough, it's just that I hate to see people be misinformed and ripped off by counterfiets. If I happen to get a couple of new customers that's great but NOT what I'm here for. Thanks for you time,Jim @(Labtec)


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Jim,

Any chance of a discount for the guys on this board? Just a thought. How about a group purchase?

Thanks.


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