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mightydog

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posted October 02, 2000 08:16 AM

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Everyone knows what kind of bitch fit I throw when the subject of prohormones comes up. If I can get my money back if it doesn't work then what do i have to loose. Sorry George, My attacks on Norabol was not a personal attack on your integrity. I just got burned too many times. I've ordered Norabol, question is: Should I take anti-estrogens while taking Norabol??


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Valdez

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posted October 02, 2000 06:33 PM

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Prohormones don't work very well and neither do any legal "anti-estrogens" like chrysin etc. supps like these just don't need to be used with "pro-hormones" anyway.


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Weapon X

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posted October 03, 2000 12:13 AM

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Some of the literature, and even a poster on this board (an MQ employee?) say that gyno can be associated with the Norabol, and that chrysin will alleviate that possibility.
Maybe it's the dosages that George advocates of teh Norabol, but if it's effective enough to induce gyno in some people, it must be doing something there.
I'm working with the Nor until I can get some gear.


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mightydog

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posted October 03, 2000 05:54 PM

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Don't forget to tell us your results Weapons X. I have real anti-estrogens from my last cycle: Arimidix and Femara. I was wanting to know if that is waht is use, not crysin. I agrre, anything very effective is going to have potential for sides.


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Hot Bod

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posted October 03, 2000 06:04 PM

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I've been using Saw Palmetto extract to avoid gyno with 19 nor-androstenedione. Third week of a cycle about 4 to 5 pounds gained and no sides. I was told to be sure to use the extract though not just Saw Palmetto. So far so good!


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lawnsaver

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posted October 03, 2000 07:29 PM

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Saw palmeto is not an anti-est. It slows the production of dht which makes you hair fall out. The guy at the store told you the wrong info. Go to netrition.com and do a little research


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mightydog

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posted October 03, 2000 07:51 PM

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Someone please tell me if I should use my Rx only anti-estrogens.


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Weapon X

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posted October 04, 2000 02:50 PM

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Hey HotBod, post more info about your cycle. What brand of 19-Nor? Dosages, etc.


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Triple HHH

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posted October 09, 2000 12:12 PM

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Some questions for you guys about Norabol,

What are the best times of day to take it?
I'm taking two in the morning when I get up around six am. around 11am, and when I go to be around 11pm.

Second, Is it ok to take it with juice instead of water? I took some norabol with some fruit punch.

Thanks,

Triple HHH


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mightydog

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posted October 09, 2000 06:18 PM

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I spread my intake about 5 hours apart on an empty stomach, well, mostly empty. I've read nowhere if it matter what you drink it down with. How long does it take to kick in?


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nobu

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posted October 09, 2000 07:08 PM

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any type of andro needs cholesterol to kick start the conversion, so taking them on an empty stomach would not make sence to me.


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Weapon X

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posted October 10, 2000 02:57 AM

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Don't laugh at my stats: I'm really only just starting seriously, even though I've been working out for a while.

I started Norabol at the beginning of my current program, just a few weeks ago.
Since I'm bulking, my stomach is almost never empty, so I just take the Norabol first thing upon awakening. Planning to take more each day as soon as I can afford another bottle.
I'm doing an abbreviated routine with plenty of recuperation time, and taking MRPs as well as NLarge2 as a caloric supplement.
My strengths gains are progressing, 10 - 15lbs / exercise so far. And I have put on a little over 4 pounds. Not that much so far, but this is the most I have ever weighed in my life, so I feel good. I'll see how I'm doing at 8 weeks out.


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George Spellwin

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posted October 10, 2000 05:09 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Weapon X:
Don't laugh at my stats: I'm really only just starting seriously, even though I've been working out for a while.

I started Norabol at the beginning of my current program, just a few weeks ago.
Since I'm bulking, my stomach is almost never empty, so I just take the Norabol first thing upon awakening. Planning to take more each day as soon as I can afford another bottle.
I'm doing an abbreviated routine with plenty of recuperation time, and taking MRPs as well as NLarge2 as a caloric supplement.
My strengths gains are progressing, 10 - 15lbs / exercise so far. And I have put on a little over 4 pounds. Not that much so far, but this is the most I have ever weighed in my life, so I feel good. I'll see how I'm doing at 8 weeks out.


Several comments and questions:

1. How many is a few weeks. Four lbs sounds very good if you just got started.
2. You can overtrain even on steroids. I would not go beyone 1 hour, 3 to 4 times a week max. Follow this program: http://www.elitefitness.com/articles/hit.html
3. If you are a hard gainer, do not restrict fats -- plenty of Flaz Oil, Red Meat, Olive Oil (Virgin).
4. Take Norabol on training and off training days.
5. You must not use one bottle, stop for a few weeks, then use another bottle. Use it consistently for 8 to 12 weeks, then stop for an off cycle.
6. What side effects have you had -- good and bad. Please describe (increased energy, fat loss, increased libido, etc.)

Thanks for the update and keep us posted.

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Weapon X

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posted October 10, 2000 07:48 PM

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George,
1.) I began this program (after long layoff) about three and a half weeks ago. I am 5'5" and began at 145 lbs bodyweight, 16% bf.
During these 3 weeks, I've gained about 4 pounds and my bench has gone up 25 pounds.
4 lbs. doesn't seem like much, but then again if I maintain that rate, it'll be a good 16 pounds over 12 weeks, eh? That'd bring me very close to my interim goal.
2.) Training with an abbreviated, Stuart McRobert Hardgainer routine. Intense workouts with 20-rep squats twice per week. One hour per workout.

3.) I'm not restricting fats at all while bulking.
4.) Taking Norabol every day.
5.) Plan to take as recommended. Unfortunately, I could only 1 bottle at first, so I'v ebeen taking two pills each morning, when my stomach is empty, and that's it.
I'm ordering more tonight so that I can take the Norabol 3x per day as you recommend.
6.) Not aware of any sides at present. My workouts have been great, got a new girlie, so my libido is healthy, Sometimes a little sluggish from all the food I'm taking in. Hard to isolate anything specifically to teh Norabol, but then again, perhaps I'm not really at effective dosage yet.
Also using one MRP per day and one weight gain shake per day, probiotics to aid digestion and protein absorption, and multivitamins.


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Weapon X

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posted October 12, 2000 01:28 PM

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Ordered more Norabol, and am upping my daily dosage to recommended.


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cockdezl

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posted October 13, 2000 03:02 AM

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"Saw palmeto is not an anti-est. It slows the production of dht which makes you hair fall out. The guy at the store told you the wrong info. Go to netrition.com and do a little research"

Along with anti-androgenic effects, Saw Palmetto also contains some anti-estrogenic compounds. Also, Saw Palmetto does not effect DHT levels, the studies point to a interference in the androgenic signalling pathway.


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mightydog

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posted October 13, 2000 08:33 AM

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OK, let me try this again. TWO IMPORTANT QUESTIONS: DO I NEED TO TAKE ARIMIDEX (RX ANTI-ESTROGEN) AND HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE NORABOL TO KICK IN PROVIDED I TAKE 2 NORABOL 3 TIMES DAILY? THANK YOU.


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pump-n-iron

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posted October 16, 2000 12:37 AM

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mightydog-
I've done a few cycles on norabol. What
i've seen is that I feel run down for
about 4 weeks (perhaps diet problem?) and
then for the next 2-3 weeks I can go like
hell in the gym and life is good. I usually
pick up about 10-15 lbs in the 8 weeks and
i'm hungry all of the time. I used norabol,
trib,chrysin & creatine for the cycle. The
last cycle I did I got some nipple sensitivity (in spite of the chrysin) that
has me spooked. The nipple situation leads me to believe that norabol does work and should be treated with respect (ie:
use anti-estrogen). Good luck, hope
it works for you.


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WeaponX

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posted October 17, 2000 07:05 PM

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I seem to be getting some facial acne. Due to Norabol? Not certain, but it coincides with my NBrabol dosage increase.
My gains are going very well. Not hungry enough, though.


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