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madmitch Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted August 03, 2000 09:28 AM
 
Ok for a long time now I have been trying to find the perfect way to eat. Most people are of the opinion that you need to eat 6-8 protein meals per day to get big and me like a sheep followed this advice for a long time. Personally when I switched from eating 4 meals per day to eating 6,7 and sometimes 8 protein meals per day my stomach bloated and I found that my energy levels in the gym dropped dramatically. If you want to graze like a cow, expect to have a big gut like a cow. I wonder how many protruding bloated stomachs have been blamed on steroids when it could be simply down to continually forcing your stomach to digest protein every 2 hours. IP: Logged |
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vlaovic Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 215) |
posted August 03, 2000 10:15 AM
As of late, I've had similar theories floating around in my head. From some of the articles I've read, it seems that the only people who really NEED protein every 2-3 hours are those who eat too much of it (in great exess of 1g/lb). By eating too much, they train their bodies to dispose of it efficiently, since too much protein can be extremely harmful. There has not been evidence of it causing people problems, because the body has effective mechanisms to dispose of it. The problem is not so much health-related (that's a whole other set of issues), as it is performance-related. By overdoing protein, one forces his/her body into a number of disposal processes for the perceived threat, which become quite effective in removing this threat. Eventually, the unsuspecting lifter gets to a point of needing gargantuam quantities of protein just to maintain, and should he/she not provide that protein every 2-3h, the same mechanisms that are designed to dispose of the anticipated protein overfeed begin to canabalize the other protein present in the absence of dietary protein, which happens to be muscle tissue. These disposal enzymes are after amino acids, regardless of weather they are from existing protein tissue or from incoming aminos from food. I would suggest you browse around previous issues of http://www.t-mag.com/ and check out some more info, but I am beginning to wonder about 6-8 meals as well. IP: Logged |
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MrMuscle Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1617) |
posted August 03, 2000 10:56 AM
shit.do what works for you..im growing like a mogo on7-8 meals a day..so i KNOW what im gonna do  ------------------ "...damn you for not giving my TEST" - Metallica "After this show i'll be fat and happy again.....If i make it to the show...." - Lee Priest "Lets put some weight on the bar.." - Shawn Ray IP: Logged |
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madmitch Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted August 03, 2000 11:20 AM
You are correct Vlaovic. I took a holiday in April and was only away from home for 5 days, but in them 5 days I lost about 5-10 lb's. Why? because I found it difficult to go and eat every 3 hours, so I lost muscle mass at an amazing rate. I'm not against eating tons of protein as I believe we as bodybuilders do need a lot to build muscle, I just don't like this grazing idea. I never feel hungry just bloated all the time. I remember Shawn Ray saying that he only eats when he feels hungry, and a few other pro bodybuilders that I have talked to told me they don't really eat that much. Look at the Lion he eats meat once or twice a day but when he does he eats half a cow, deer or wildebeest. However look at the lions mid section he has no big bloated gut. Which would you rather look like a Lion or a big fat cow? IP: Logged |
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Serial Joe Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 134) |
posted August 03, 2000 11:37 AM
Animalbolics.... IP: Logged |
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vlaovic Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 215) |
posted August 03, 2000 02:23 PM
Animalbolics? Do you mean the same Animalbolics by Eric Hesse that you and I argued about before? Also, I remember during that debate saying that I knew little of the Warrior Diet. Since then, I made a point of digging up all the info I could on it. I have to say that while still a bit sceptical, I am highly intrigued by the concept. Do you have thoughts on this particular diet? IP: Logged |
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Serial Joe Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 134) |
posted August 03, 2000 02:47 PM
yup...one meal a day....exactly the diet a wild dog would follow....optimal for growth and maintenance of lean mass while still dieting [This message has been edited by Serial Joe (edited August 03, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Paul Stagg Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted August 03, 2000 03:08 PM
go to musclemonthly.com and read the articles by Lyle McDonald. He addresses this question there. IP: Logged |
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vlaovic Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 215) |
posted August 03, 2000 03:15 PM
Oh my god. I just re-read the Animalbolics article after not looking at it for months. I can't believe I totally ignored Hesse's "History" paragraph on the diet when I first read it long ago. I also managed to ignore everything from the "original post" article other than the article itself. I completely failed to realize, or at least forgot or something, that Hesse wasn't taking credit for the diet. I have to say this was a pretty... no VERY big fuck-up on my part, sice I did the damn diet for over a month after first reading it! In fact, now that I look back, I only really paid attention to Part 3 because I liked the detail of it. I read Part 1, got curious and only skimmed Part 2 before really getting into Part 3. Sloth and ignorance on my part, so I have to take this opportunity to revoke my original statement which went something like "Hesse rediscovered the wheel on this one". I see now that he was merely throwing in some science to go with a very sound diet, not claiming it as his own. IP: Logged |
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vlaovic Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 215) |
posted August 03, 2000 03:15 PM
Oh my god. I just re-read the Animalbolics article after not looking at it for months. I can't believe I totally ignored Hesse's "History" paragraph on the diet when I first read it long ago. I also managed to ignore everything from the "original post" article other than the article itself. I completely failed to realize, or at least forgot or something, that Hesse wasn't taking credit for the diet. I have to say this was a pretty... no VERY big fuck-up on my part, sice I did the damn diet for over a month after first reading it! In fact, now that I look back, I only really paid attention to Part 3 because I liked the detail of it. I read Part 1, got curious and only skimmed Part 2 before really getting into Part 3. Sloth and ignorance on my part, so I have to take this opportunity to revoke my original statement which went something like "Hesse rediscovered the wheel on this one". I see now that he was merely throwing in some science to go with a very sound diet, not claiming it as his own. HUGE fuck-up on my part. IP: Logged |
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Serial Joe Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 134) |
posted August 03, 2000 03:21 PM
no big deal....i still think he wrote the best version of the diet and can be credited with taking it out of the underground message boards and giving it to the average bodybuilder IP: Logged |
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vlaovic Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 215) |
posted August 03, 2000 03:42 PM
Thanks for understanding. Everyone "brain farts" every now and then, right? Anyway, I'm starting a new thread regarding Animalbolics, Warrior Diet, One-Meal-a-Day, whatever the damn thing's called! Can you check it out? IP: Logged |
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qball Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 18) |
posted August 03, 2000 04:03 PM
6-8 meals a day = more MRPs and bars sold. Personally, I just dont do well on that many meals. I think one reason it became the norm was that on a high carb/low fat/mod protein, it avoids the huge insulin spike for most people. If someone was to eat 1000 calories of carbs in one sitting, they would be asleep! Of course, this doesnt seem to hold true for large protein/fat meals. I can eat 2 tbones and some veggies and feel great. Throw in the potato, nap time. I also have a large appetitie, and can consume a half of cow and some fries in one sitting w/o problem. I wonder if the larger the appetite, the less meals needed? Hmm. IP: Logged |
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madmitch Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted August 04, 2000 05:01 AM
qball you got it in one with your first statement. The bloody supplement companies are to blame for this new eat 6 - 8 protein meals per day farce. Who do you know that can cook 6 - 8 meals per day? apart from maybe the odd pro bodybuilder or someone who has nothing else to do all day. The supplement companies know this and that is why they are promoting this way of eating to sell more of their MRP's and protein powders. One other thing I noticed is that a lot of the pro women eat this way but still have narrow wastes, how come? Well there is one thing that the women use more often than the men. Thyroid T3, which speeds up your metabolism allowing your body to process food at an accelerated rate. So it all depends what way you want to go, 3 or 4 large protein meals per day or 6 - 8 smaller ones with the use of T3. IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 249) |
posted August 06, 2000 01:55 PM
Where are any of you getting the idea that Animalbolics (stupid name), is one meal a day? If you can show me this diet that has only one meal, I would be interested. The diet I read, by Hess no less, showed that one would eat several meals a day, with a large meal after workout. Because the meals during the day were small does not negate the fact that they were meals. Where is the cut-off point were food becomes a meal or not? Animal is stating that several small meals is stupid, then makes a diet where he does this very thing. This Warrior Diet is the only thing close enough to a "one meal a day" diet, but it requires too much will power for most and we have no evidence that it has any effect. Remember the ABCDE diet? Most who tried it stated that they got fat on it. The supplement companies did not invent the idea of grazing, this was concepts studied by scientists. Read the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, British Journal Of Nutrition, Journal of Nutrition, etc. They all studied the effects of grazing over gorging for years. Their results: grazing decreased circulating insulin levels, triglycerides, glucose, etc. Am I stating that grazing is better than gorging? Nope. I am a proponent of do what works for you, but don't try and bullshit me. IP: Logged |
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vlaovic Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 215) |
posted August 06, 2000 09:26 PM
You are right in that the sample diet Hesse puts on his website is far from 1 meal. I had the same thought when I first read it. The name is misleading. By one meal, he implies one meal containg a significant quantity of ALL THREE macronutrients. Also, while I find the general concept of ANimalbolics to be an excellent approach to dieting, I STRONGLY disagree with the sample menu provided by Hesse. It contains too much fructose, and what's more, that ammount of carbohydrate, be it low-GI or not, will still cause increased insulin. I have used MY version of the diet very successefully, which includes working out first thing in the morning on nothing but ECA and glutamine, doing the post-workout shake and meal, and then switching to pure protein, fat and fiber veggies for the rest of the day. I achieved very low fat % , with no drop in strength (no increse either) at all, and never having to eat more than 1g protein/lb due to an incresed protein sensitivity. Also, when on this diet, after taking my post-workout feedings, I find it doesn't make too much of difference wether I eat small fat/protein/fiber meals every 3 hours, or larger ones further apart. I do what makes me fullest, which is frequent feeding on some days, more spaced out eating on others. I think the diet is flexible that way. p.s. if anything, it should be called the One COMPLETE Meal Diet [This message has been edited by vlaovic (edited August 06, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Serial Joe Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 134) |
posted August 08, 2000 11:49 AM
Actually I think Eric is correct when he advises fructose during the day...Fructose actually has an very low glycemic index and can satisfy the cravings for carbs that occurs during the day...Fructose is an insulin-independent monosachharide. This means that it converts into glucose and is stored without the action of insulin (or, at least, insignificant amounts). Fructose doesn't cause a large rise in blood sugar and, consequently, won't raise insulin levels. For you to experience any negative effects from fructose, you'd have to consume around 50-75 grams in a sitting. That's equivalent to eating five to seven apples, one after another. You'd have to eat three or four of these "servings" a day, for a grand total of 15-28 pieces of fruit. In fact, fructose has been shown to facilitate both mobilization of endogenous lipid stores and lipid oxidation. It's even been noted that fructose causes a superior thermic response when compared to glucose or sucrose. I just quoted this article http://www.testosterone.net/html/body_95forbid.html It's further proof that Hesse knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he wrote this series of articles. It wasn't just thrown together without thought. Too bad he's retired from writing, he could have been right up there withe Brink or even Duchaine in 5 years or so..... IP: Logged |
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Beezers Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 174) |
posted August 08, 2000 12:01 PM
I did not know that about fructose. Knew it was lower GI but didn't relize it dosn't cause a significant insulin rise. Interesting. IP: Logged |
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