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Diet Discussion Board Clen with thyroid, does ity really work?
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Cool Novice Posts: 21 |
will clenbuterol with a thyroid pill work very well. how much should i expect to pay. | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 1101 |
If you are referring to t3(cytomel), I am 8 days into a te/clen/eca cycle and seeing solid results already. ------------------ | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 736 |
I don't know about cost. Clen will work for a couple of weeks with or without T3. T3 will only work if you're body is low in T3 such as after weeks/months of low-carb dieting or if you have a thyroid problem. If your T3 is not low and you take extra T3, you will likely lose more muscle than fat if you're not on anabolics. It is worthwhile getting a T3 panel done by your quack to check before you start popping them. ------------------ | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 1101 |
Now you tell me ------------------ | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 13 |
don't listen to MS if you eat tons of protein you won't lose that much muscle, you WILL lose fat. | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 1101 |
elaborate bro- obviuosly you have done this shit, tell me what you ate, as far as carbs, pro, fat, and what gear you were on ------------------ | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 13 |
I am about to do a clen/t3 stack for 3 weeks and my provider of these 2 wonders has told me as many others have is that as long as you eat 2-3 gramsprotein per pound of bodyweight you will be fine. If you were on gear the t3 would make you gain more cause of the protein syntesis but it is great by itself. alot of bodybuilder and regular joes take the clen/t3 stack and don't lose alot of muscle. MS is misinformed. NOT A FLAME TO MS IN ANYWAY BUT THIS IS WHAT I HAVE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN! | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 736 |
Whatever. | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 1101 |
How many carbs bro- 3 grams of proytein is a lot ------------------ | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 34 |
genod4---MS is not misinformed...I will say this, if your body has too much T3 then it will burn anything that it can. Including MUSCLE not matter if you eat a lot of protein or not. If you ask anyone else on any other board you will get the same reply. I have done both T3/Clen and do not recomment anyone to take it for more than 2 weeks at a time. Also, if you over do it with T3 you will leave yourself with a thyroid problem. Trust me, no one wants to have thyroid problems..it's a pain in the rear end!!! Good luck to Decaman and just don't over do it...make sure your body gets enough rest from that stuff | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 34 |
Correction...the good luck was suppose to be for sants. Oops | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 21 |
thanks for the info guys. | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 1101 |
Hey missfit, I am on it too, I'll take some good luck ------------------ | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 736 |
You'll be fine Decaman. My concern is for dieters that start popping T3 because they've heard "over and over again" how well it works for fat loss, but don't realize the people that get good results on it NEEDED it. In other words, YES, after months of low-carb dieting many people will have lowered T3 levels. In this case the right amount of T3 replacement will help them continue with their fat-loss efforts. But there's no harm, and plenty of sense in having a doctor check your T3 levels if you're not sure. If your T3 levels are normal then taking extra T3 WILL cause you to burn muscle (unless you're on gear). This is not speculation but a medical fact. Even high protein will not help if your total calories are still below maintenance. I just don't want beginning dieters to think that popping T3 at the start of their diet is a good idea. Save it for when your body needs it, and verify it with a quick blood-test for thyroid function. ------------------ | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 21 |
also what do you guys think would be best, clen in a tablet or serum form. will the tablets work as well and would i still see good results. | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 34 |
Sorry decaman...my bad GOOD LUCK | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 112 |
tell me your opinion about the article: Clenbuterol and Anabolic Steroids: A Previously Unreported Cause of Myocardial Infarction With Normal Coronary Arteriograms
Introduction Case Report The patient's cardiac enzymes confirmed a myocardial infarction with a peak creatinine kinase of 1,060 IU/L (normal range, 25 to 190) and MB fraction of 54 ng/mL (normal range, 0.0 to 5.0). His lipid panel was within the normal range. Testing for hypercoagulability with a protein C, S, antithrombin III levels, and factor V Leyden was normal. The remainder of the laboratory data, including a homocysteine level and a urine illicit drug screen, was unrevealing. The patient had an uneventful hospital course. Two weeks after discharge, he was asymptomatic, and an echocardiogram showed resolution of the areas of dyskinesias.
Various mechanisms have been proposed to account for the association between anabolic steroids and myocardial infarction, though there is no direct evidence. First, there have been several studies that showed anabolic steroids can cause dyslipidemias -- notably an increase in LDL and reduction in HDL.[12] Hence, the use of anabolic steroids could be a risk factor for the development of coronary artery disease. Second, anabolic steroids may cause a hypercoagulable state by altering components of the coagulation and fibrinolytic system. This was suggested by a recent study that showed activation of the hemostatic system in body builders who used anabolic steroids compared with controls who did not use steroids.[13] Specifically, anabolic steroid users had higher concentrations of thrombin/antithrombin complexes, prothrombin fragments, and d-dimers. Additional evidence has suggested that anabolic steroids can increase platelet aggregation and thereby promote thrombosis.[14] Third, anabolic steroids may cause a reduction in nitric oxide synthesis and may alter vasodilator properties. This disruption in endothelial function may lead theoretically to coronary artery spasm.[15] Finally, there is evidence from case reports and echocardiographic studies that anabolic steroids can cause ventricular hypertrophy.[2,3,16] Hypertrophy may promote ischemia and infarction in predisposed patients. Clenbuterol is a potent beta2-agonist that is used in Europe as an oral bronchodilator. It has improved oral absorption compared with other beta2-agonists and has a long elimination half-life. This drug has been used in the farming industry for its anabolic and thermogenic effects, which are mediated via beta2-receptors. Body builders use the drug illicitly in this country for these effects. Cases of accidental clenbuterol poisoning after ingestion of bovine liver have been reported from Europe. Manifestations included palpitations, nervousness, tachycardia, and muscle tremors.[17] These effects are thought to be mediated by beta1-receptors and are propanolol sensitive.[18] There is little data on the cardiac effects of clenbuterol in patients, and there are no reports of myocardial infarction. One study compared the effect of intravenous clenbuterol with salbutamol in nine patients with a history of myocardial infarction. The study found that clenbuterol had a similar, if not better, safety profile than salbutamol.[19] In a recent publication, two body builders were reported to be using the combination of clenbuterol and anabolic steroids.[3] One patient was asymptomatic and was shown to have left ventricular hypertrophy by echocardiogram. The other patient, who was reportedly using high doses of clenbuterol, had a monomorphic ventricular tachycardia induced by an exercise test. Subsequently, an echocardiogram showed a decreased ejection fraction of 30% with left ventricular hypertrophy and dilatation. Myocardial ischemia and infarction were not thought to play a role in either case. To our knowledge, this case is the first in which myocardial infarction was associated with a combination of anabolic steroids and clenbuterol. We can only speculate regarding the possible mechanisms of our patient's myocardial infarction. The patient had no known traditional cardiac risk factors, though his lipid profile could have been falsely lowered in the presence of a myocardial infarction. Additionally, testing of the patient's coagulation system, as stated previously, was normal. Our patient had a cardiac catheterization within 6 hours of the onset of chest pain, with the intent of primary angioplasty. None of the cases in the literature reported to date have documented such an early cardiac catheterization, and no patient had such a procedure before anticoagulation or thrombolytic therapy. Other than aspirin and nitroglycerin, the patient had no therapeutic manipulations before the coronary angiograms. The fact that the patient had angiographically normal coronary arteries suggests coronary artery spasm as the mechanism of myocardial infarction, though rapidly autolysed coronary thrombus cannot be ruled out. The findings on ventriculography and echocardiography are consistent with transmural ischemia in the distribution of the posterior coronary circulation. We suspect that there may have been a synergistic role between the anabolic steroid and clenbuterol. Hypothetically, the anabolic steroid may have caused cardiac hypertrophy, coronary artery spasm, or thrombosis. The clenbuterol may have precipitated ischemia by producing intermittent tachycardia. Alternatively, clenbuterol may have contributed primarily to the cardiac hypertrophy by its anabolic effects. Although there is no direct evidence that clenbuterol can cause hypertrophy in humans, recent studies have shown that clenbuterol can cause cardiac hypertrophy in rat models.[20] Supranormal doses of either anabolic steroids or clenbuterol could potentially be more pathogenic. Our patient's symptoms for 2 weeks before presentation are suggestive of clenbuterol toxicity. However, it is possible that clenbuterol may have had no pathologic effect. It is likely that the illicit use of drugs like clenbuterol and anabolic steroids with their health-related consequences will become more prevalent in the future. Young adults appear to be the largest user group, and we are concerned that many users are exposed to other illicit drugs like cocaine, potentially creating an even more hazardous combination.[1] We found it alarming that information about clenbuterol and anabolic steroids could be easily obtained through the world wide web (http://www.elitefitness.com/steroids/guide. html).
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Cool Novice Posts: 44 |
Yes it`s very good stack. But you should add some AS in your cycle to prevent muscle loss. The price for clen in USA is about 15-25$ for 50tabs, T3 will coast you about 20-40$. |