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 To bulk or not to bulk?
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I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted June 21, 2000 03:57 PM
 
I'm 20 years old, I weigh 145-150 lbs. I have been training for nearly three years and in that time I have gained about 15-20 lbs of solid muscle and my strength has gone up pretty well. I know I am nowhere near where I want to be and was wondering if you guys think I should go all out trying to bulk up for like 1-2 years and then cut down or continue to try and stay lean and gain size. I always battle this dilemma. I start bulking and my abs start to go away and then I start cutting. I just end up where I started. I've heard different opinions on this and was just wondering what you guys have done to gain size. I want to be as big as I possibly can get, but look like a bodybuilder(lower then 10% bf). My bodyfat is that low now, but I need size. I will never use any illegal drugs, so I want some natural views on this. Thanx in advance. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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marvelous_mark Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 18) |
posted June 21, 2000 04:56 PM
If I were you, I would fully concentrate myself on either with cutting or bulking, with you in this case, bulking. Now you need to devote yourself to put on some new mass, so even if you gain a bit of fat and see the "six-pack" disappear, so be it. You should start eating more calories, I would say approx. 3000 to 3200 calories per day divided into 6 to 7 meals at every 2:30 to 3 hours. Each of your meals should contain between 1 and 1.5 g. times your weight of protein, 3:1 of your bodyweight(3x150) for carbs and put 12 g. of fat. On your post workout meal, get approx. 4 times your weight on the form of simple carbs and the regular dose per meal of protein. If you have whey protein, then start having one protein shake during the course of the night. During the night you'll go sometimes 8 to 10 hours without any protein(which your muscles need) so the shake will help change that. Also, you should start drinking lots of water(you should never go thirsty) and maybe even take some creatine which will enable you to lift heavier in the gym and also will most likely add a few pounds due to water retention after you stop taking some. Don't forget to gain more confidence and drop the low self-esteem if you have any while training and dieting, it will help you develop some great moral. Also, sleep 8 to 10 hours per night. You'll be able to get rip when you decide to cut-up after this regime, so forget about cutting up for now an gain some mass!! I currently follow this for mass and so far I have seen some great improvements both physically and mentally(a better attitude). Hope I helped... ------------------ Mark IP: Logged |
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RippedNBuff Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 37) |
posted June 21, 2000 05:40 PM
Ok, Mark... That has to be the most intelligent response I have ever heard to a question like that. You know our shiat. IRBD - Bulk bro.. It is tough to eat all that food but the benefit of looking bigger is definitely worth it. Put your all into your lifting and go heavy. You're gonna grow huge bruh so long you take Marvelous's advice. Good Luck BUFF IP: Logged |
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nobu Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 123) |
posted June 21, 2000 05:46 PM
dude, i totally understand your dilema, im 17 and have been training for about a year now, and i have trouble commiting myself 100%to a bulking stage. the reason is because i fucking cant stand seeing myself smooth out like that. gaining a good amount of fat with the muscle.i feel that looking this way, to a certain extent, defeats the purpose of bodybuilding. if your not in a rush to get huge, then why not just do what your doing. i have gained a good amount of muscle in the past year, eating right and excercising, without eating like 4500 calories. first of all i could not even consume this amount if i tried, i would probably barf it all back up. and i dont think that young people need to constantly go on bulking stages and cutting stages, are test levels are sky high and so is our metabolism. and its not that healthy to do to a growing body. your twenty so you probably already reached your maximum height so you dont need to worry about that. i think that if your in it to be a pro or something then a sacrifice or two need be made, but if your in it just for the sport like me, then just keep doing what you've been doing, with the help of some natural supplements ofcourse(glutamine,creatine,tribulus, just to name a few) dont get me wrong, i love to bb. and i give it my all in the gym every set i do, but this is just the way its been for me; i'm 17 and am in no rush to get anywhere, i bb for myself. this is just my opinion, and dont mean any disrespect to anyone who goes about bb differently! IP: Logged |
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I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:24 AM
Thanks fellas. I've decided to go ahead and bulk. I know deep down I want more mass. I would like to be ripped, but know I would be a hell of a lot happier being 20 or more pounds heavier when I do get ripped. Now with my activity level and metabolism 3,000-3,200 calories keeps me at my bodyweight now. I'm gonna experiment with 4,500-5,000 calories and go from there. I know it sound high for someone my size, but I won't gain on 3,500. If anyone else has some constructive criticism it would be appreciated. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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marvelous_mark Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 18) |
posted June 22, 2000 07:55 AM
Good for you! Do what's best for you. I am talking about the calories, it all depends on the person, you might have an higher activity level than others so then you should raise the calories like you're doing. Let's say you play football a few times a week, then you'll be burning a lot calories from running and all. So eventough you are eating 3500 calories, well you'll burn some so your calories might go down by a 1000 or two and then your intake of calories are good for cutting up, for example. So if you have an higher activity level, just add in more calories. What I sometimes do when I am playing a sport with a high level of intensity, I simply bring with me a shake of carbo plex(a carbohydrate supplement) containing approx. 120 grams of carbohydrates and I drink it while playing and after. Like that you give your body a whole lot of calories that your body will burn rapidly while playing the sport. I then continue on with my regular meals... BTW, highering your calories higher can also be justifiable if you have a high metabolism. Stay positive and have fun gaining some mass and keep us posted on your gains! ------------------ Mark [This message has been edited by marvelous_mark (edited June 22, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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nobu Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 123) |
posted June 22, 2000 10:23 AM
good luck dude, you have my best! IP: Logged |
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I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:47 PM
Thanx again fellas. I was also wondering how many days a week you guys train when trying to gain mass? While I was staying lean I was training 5 days a week, 1-2 bodyparts a day. I would train hard for 45 minutes or less. The only cardio I did was play basketball about once a week. I'm thinking about trying this split, tell me what you think: Mon- Arms,calves Now my reasons: Sorry for rambling on, just want some opinions. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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RippedNBuff Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 37) |
posted June 22, 2000 04:48 PM
Ok, bro now that you are going to bulk, you need to lift heavy! If you don't have time we change this shit up but I IMO if you want maximum results you need to have a lot of rest, and the 3 day workout looked like you were over training so you would have needed even more. You may like this.. Monday:Chest Oh man I like the way that workout looks, if you want to get even deeper and have me give you individual lifts drop me a line bro, I accept Visa and Master Card, heh, I'm just playin. Good Luck bruh.. BUFF IP: Logged |
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MaxMuscle Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 140) |
posted June 22, 2000 11:30 PM
This is a fact: If you start to bulk up, you'll have to gain a little fat in order to get the gains you're after. I recommend going on a high calorie diet. Like 3800-4200 calories a day. From your calories try to get 50% carbs, 35% protein, 15% fat. Here's an example of a 3800 calorie diet. Carbs: 475 grams; Protein: 333 grams; Fat: 63 grams. When you workout, try to use compound movements. The basic bench press, squat and deadlift. I recommend the HIT method. For more information, check out www.cyberpump.com IP: Logged |
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I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted June 23, 2000 02:07 PM
What about dieting similar to the way that competitors do? I'm not planning on competing, but what about using Sept.- say March or April to bulk and then start cutting near May? I know I said I was gonna bulk, but it is friggin hot and I know I'm gonna have my shirt off playin ball and goin to the beach during the summer. I would rather be a little small and have abs, than be 5-10 lbs heavier with no abs. I think I'll start bulking in Sept. Til then I'm gonna stay around 3,000 cals. so I'll stay lean, but not lose whatever muscle I have. Thanx again fellas. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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genF Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 4) |
posted June 25, 2000 05:14 AM
Go for the bulking phase! You get fat but its worth it. 14 months ago I was 135 @ 10% and now I am 220 @ 17% that is all natural. The down side is you then have to get back into shape which is shit - I want to bulk forever! IP: Logged |
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Digga Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
posted June 25, 2000 01:18 PM
How long should a bulking phase last? Iam in the same boat as IRBD, I consume about 2500 cals to maintain, how much should I increase during a bulking phase? Digga IP: Logged |
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rippazoid Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 115) |
posted June 25, 2000 02:18 PM
I totally agree with marks response follow that advice and you shouldnt go wrong. IP: Logged |
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