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Diablo's Xstasy
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted June 21, 2000 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo's Xstasy   Click Here to Email Diablo's Xstasy     Edit/Delete Message
Alrighty boys here's a good one for ya that even my boyfriend can't figure out and neither can some professional bodybuilders that go to our gym.
For the last three months Ive been so good eating so healthy it's unbelievable for a little Italian girl like me. I have one cheat day a week where Im allowed to eat almost anything I want until 5pm.
The other days I eat 1400 cal., 8 g. fat, 250 carbs, 112 sugars, 140g. protien.
In 5-6 small meals a day.
I also weight train with my boyfriend 1-2 bodyparts a day 45min.-1hour at the very least 5 days a week if not 6, then 30 minutes high intensity cardio and 15 minutes low intensity cardio 4-5 days a week.
recently in the past three weeks maybe a month Ive been taking Xenadrine (natural ECA Stack) I was taking 4 caps a day now Ive upped it to 5 and next week I'll up it to 6 maybe.
Before I started I was 136.5 lbs. 32%bodyfat
Im 5'1 too...
Now Im 141.8 lbs. and 30% bodyfat.
I really really would like to be whatever weight, I don't care about that as long as it looks good and feminine, but I want to be at least 20% bodyfat.
So what should I do and how to I get to my goal??? Ive been working out for almost two years now and all that's happened is more and more weight yadda yadda yadda... Now Im finally loosing a little bit, but not as much as I should be.

Help me!!!
Diablo's Xstasy

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costanza
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted June 21, 2000 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for costanza   Click Here to Email costanza     Edit/Delete Message
If you are overtraining and undersleeping, your body might respond by storing fat. This doesn't happen to everyone, but it could be happening to you.

I know a marathon runner who looks like a slob when he isn't in training (pudgy).

More emphasis on weights and much less on cardio, and more time for sleep and recovery, could just click with your genetics.

If you want to keep on the no sleep route, go with 3 ripped fuel or equivalent per day before noon and you will lose fat rapidly.

I don't know how you aren't burning fat with this Xenadrine dose but would urge you to cut back to 3 a day - it packs a wallop - so you can sleep.

The recovery is so important - this can help you build the muscle you need to help become a more efficient fat burning furnace and also might help with hormonal balance and overall health.

Finally, be careful of the high reps mythology. Basic training with a decent amount of weight and not constant repping will actually help you burn up fat better... you may notice that the female sprinters in the gym are more muscular but also more ripped than those ladies who go round and round the track forever.

then again most women won't listen to this theory, and if they have the right genetics they can overtrain and do high reps til they're blue in the face and look lean.

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costanza
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posted June 21, 2000 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for costanza   Click Here to Email costanza     Edit/Delete Message
And one more thing seems pretty obvious. YOU ARE NOT EATING ENOUGH FAT.

8g is the amount of fat in one turkey sub from Subway's.

Get away from this low-fat no-fat food stuff. It will just play havoc with your insulin levels and hormones to eat this way. Your body will store fat if you have certain genetics and eat this way.

Incorporate olive oil, peanut butter, olives, and other healthy oils into your diet... maybe a bit of milk.

This may take your calories up to 1,800, but with your activity level, your too-low calorie intake might also be an issue. You are probably going to be losing fat if you increase your caloric intake to the point where your body doesn't see it as starvation.

You might also want to check out the Zone diet (but with extra fat and protein to get enough calories), or a cyclical ketogenic diet.

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Diablo's Xstasy
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posted June 21, 2000 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo's Xstasy   Click Here to Email Diablo's Xstasy     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the help!!!
I'm going to try upping my fat and the such and believe I sleep a ton. Right now Im not woking so I get at least 10 hours sleep every night.

Well thank you again and I'll let you know how it works out. Today Im going to try eating 1800 cal and something like 15-20 g fat

Dx

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fitness-for-life !!
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posted June 21, 2000 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fitness-for-life !!   Click Here to Email fitness-for-life !!     Edit/Delete Message
You write that your carbs are 250g. But are they complex enough or are they to refined? Also are you eating them throughout the day or are you consuming them earlier in the day?
Not all carbs are equal. I would decrease the amount of carbs and make sure that the carbs you do eat are before mid aftern noon.
Also increase clean fat to 12-14g.

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Diablo's Xstasy
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posted June 21, 2000 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo's Xstasy   Click Here to Email Diablo's Xstasy     Edit/Delete Message
What's the difference between refined and the other carbs?
I am relatively new at this Ive only been working out for 2 years and eating healthy for the last 3/4 months.
In the am I have 1 cup cheerios with 1/2 cup of milk a protien bar for a snack and pure black coffee, source one by met rx, and for lunch also in the am maybe 1pm I have 2 slices of whole wheat with 1 whole can of tuna
then at night I only have salad chicken fish or almost no carb veggies.

Is that good or bad? I also have a yogurt during the day usually in the afternoon

Thanks for the help =o)

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qball
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posted June 21, 2000 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for qball   Click Here to Email qball     Edit/Delete Message
My girlfriend has a similar problem on low fat diets. She trains with weights, and at times has actually gained because she has added muscle but her body has held onto the fat, so the scale went up. Only when she goes on ketogenic diets does she really start to loose.

My suggestions would be this:

cut out breads and pastas. Good sources for carbs are oatemeal, sweet potatoes, brown rice.

Up your fats through flax oil, nuts, nut butters, avocados. Add 2 tbs of flax a day.
A great way to get some fats is make your own salad dressings and eat a salad with your meals.

keep your protein the same. Stay away from most of the protein bars -- if it taste like candy, it is probably candy. Protein powder is fine.

consume fresh vegetables and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day. Some people tolerate fructose at different levels, but 2 pieces of day will help you get some good vitamins and can help with sweet cravings.

your 140p is good. Aim for the same in carbs and fats. so 140c and 50f will give you 1570 in calories in approximately equal porportions.

Devide this into 5-6 meals.

If this doesnt work for you, then try one of the cyclical ketogenic diets.

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qball
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posted June 21, 2000 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for qball   Click Here to Email qball     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.allprotraining.com/nutritioncenter/metabolic_diet.html

Here is a link to one interpretation of the cyclical ketogenic diet. There is alot of good work out there, particulary the stuff by Lyle McDonald.

Some people dont do so great going right into a CKD from a low fat approach, because the shift is pretty radical. Try the moderate approach and see how your body does.

Good Luck.

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nobu
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posted June 21, 2000 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nobu   Click Here to Email nobu     Edit/Delete Message
to lose fat you have to eat fat!

Why low-calorie diets don't work!
So why does this well established method of losing weight fail? Why do people keep on gaining all the weight back, and often times even more? Let me explain: Lets say you use up 2000 calories a day, and want to lose weight, so you drop your caloric intake to 1700 calories a day. Initially your body is burning up those extra 300 calories, and you do lose weight.

But your body adjusts to the lower calories, your metabolism drops to match you intake, and you stop losing weight. So, in order to lose more weight, you have to drop your calories more, and again your body adjusts. To make matters worse, your body thinks it won't be getting normal quantities of food for a while, so it starts storing as much energy as it can in fat.

So there you are, consuming maybe 800-1000 calories a day, practically starving yourself, and your body has adjusted and burns no more, probably less than you eat, so you start gaining weight again. And now what happens if you lose it for a weekend and eat normal amounts? Your body rejoices, and eagerly packs all that extra energy away as fat. and thats probably whats happening on that cheat day!

What happens if you quit your diet? You eat 2000 calories and are only burning maybe 1000. I suppose one way to offset the lowering of your metabolism would be to exercise regularly. This is probably the only way to have a somewhat effective low calorie diet.

exercise, eat high ratios of protein to carbs and lots of good quality fat, you should be fine.

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RedHot
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posted June 21, 2000 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedHot   Click Here to Email RedHot     Edit/Delete Message
Don't worry about the scales. Go by the blue jean method. Put on some tight jeans and continue to try them on weekly. I went from 26% bodyfat to 15% in 10 months. The first 4 months my weight went from 170 to 155lbs. I was working out and dieting moderately. Then I really cleaned up my diet and started lifting religiously and my weight went up to 165 but my bodyfat is now at 15%. I've gained 8 lbs of lean muscle mass. The only place my jeans are tight are the legs. That's ok to me. They look great and have more definition.

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Diablo's Xstasy
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posted June 21, 2000 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo's Xstasy   Click Here to Email Diablo's Xstasy     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks again for all of the help. I think Ive got it pretty much figured out. I just went through and picked out some foods to eat for my new diet. Damn it's really hard to figure something like a new diet out especially when you don't really know what you're doing.
I got a sample diet that goes something similar to this:
Meal 1 40 pro, 40 carb, 1 tsp flax oil
meal 2 40 pro, 20 carb, 1 tsp f o
Meal 3 40 pro, 10 carb, 1tsp f o
Meal 4 40 pro, 1 cup brocoli, and fiberous
veggies
Meal 5 repeat 4 except brocoli

I think my total calories are going to be approximately 1500 and Im going to lower my carbs to no more then 60g and my sugars are going to be almost nonexistant as well. Fat I think I can up to 22.5g if i add a slice of muenster cheese.

Thank you for the help again.

Dx

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aten8
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posted June 21, 2000 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aten8   Click Here to Email aten8     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah your carbs are to high and fat is to low. But I think your fat calculations are wrong it's almost impossible to eat 140 gm protien and only 8gm of fat. A 6 oz chicken breast has 5gm of fat alone.
So just decrease your carbs down to 75gms and you seem to be over training a bit ease off a little and see what happens.

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Diablo's Xstasy
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posted June 22, 2000 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo's Xstasy   Click Here to Email Diablo's Xstasy     Edit/Delete Message
No but really my calculations aren't wrong.
I eat 1 can of chunk light tuna it equals 1.25g of fat and 32 g of protien
And the chicken that I buy says 4 pieces 120 cal .5g of fat and 29 g of protien 1carb
It's boneless skinless tenderloins from Tyson's I buy it in a huge bag at BJ's
I also have no fat milk
Cheerios don't have any fat, non fat yogurt, salads etc... no fat dressing...
I think Ive figured it out though I hope so at least tomorrows shopping day Im excited. Tonight instead of working out and going shopping he came over and fixed my nordic track and brought that, the bicycle, and the rowing machine out of the basement and put it in the spare bedroom with a stereo so now I can wake up choose one of those things to do and also go outside and swim. Hopefully by changing this up it'll help

=o)
Dx

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renagade
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posted June 22, 2000 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for renagade   Click Here to Email renagade     Edit/Delete Message
My wife was 5'4" 155lbs now she competes at 132lbs. Her body fat was 34% I don't know where its at right now but somewhere between 15% & 10% she really cut. This is a break down of what she does.
(First thing) in the morning does 30-45mins cardio and then eats 4egg whites & 2 yolks & oat meal.
(Next meal) is usely 2 table of peanut butter an a apple.
(Meal 3) Chicken breast & bake potato plan
(Meal 4) Lean beef or deer steak small potato or half cup cooked rice half cup green beans
(Meal 5) Rice cake with 2tble spoons peanut butter.
(Meal 6) Protein powder mixed with 1cup skim milk.
We weight train Mon,Wed & Friday
We cardio 5 days a week. First thing in the morning 30-40mins but when she's cutting up for a show About 3wks out she up her cardio to twice a day for 45mins.
Take a good multi vitm everyday and use a good E/C/A but it sound like you do that.
Hope this helped and good luck.

[This message has been edited by renagade (edited June 22, 2000).]

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Diablo's Xstasy
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posted June 22, 2000 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo's Xstasy   Click Here to Email Diablo's Xstasy     Edit/Delete Message
Renegade that sounds awesome and i think thats the diet i m going to try... lol Im just being lazy cause i dont want to figure out my own LOL...
But how many cal/fat/carbs/protien is the daily totals... Know what I think I can figure that out on my own with the book im going to buy tomorrow...
My boyfriend informed me of a three week plan that I am going to go on so i can loose 10lbs in 18days for my 21st bday.
Just these next 3 weeks are going to be intensive. Im going to use my E/C/A stack and take 6 capsules a day thats 80mg of ephedrine and I dont know about the others...
Cardio in the am 30 minutes 5-6 days a week, whtever my diets going to be, and then in the pm weightrain 5days a week 2 parts a day except shoulder day cause thats a long workout with traps and all. then the sauna for 30 min then the tanning bed and then 30-45 more minutes of cardio 30 high intense and 15 low. Then home and sleep.
Hey you mentioned a multivitamin I take one every day that provides 100% of what you need or at least it says it does, but dont laugh its a flintstones chewable, other vitamins dont really agree with me... I dont like taking pills which really could suck since im considering winny when i learn enough about it. I dont want to end up too built I want to look feminine and like a hottie, cant you tell Im 21 almost LOL!!!
Anyways thanks
Dx

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renagade
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posted June 22, 2000 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for renagade   Click Here to Email renagade     Edit/Delete Message
I think this is right during off season she takes in about 1400-1600cal, protein is around 150-180g carbs are around 200g and she tries to stay below 20g of sat fat.When she cutting up cals are 1200-1350 protein stays the same and carbs come down to 130g but we raise as lower them everyother day. She stays away from salt and high sodium foods. For contest her food intake pretty much blan stuff like plan chicken, rice, potatos and eggs nothing fanncy and not to moch of it. She used winny this last show and it made a big diffrence. Good look girl. Oh' by the way she's 36yrs old and has had to children, so at 21yrs if you get your diet set right you should be tough.

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fitness-for-life !!
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posted June 22, 2000 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fitness-for-life !!   Click Here to Email fitness-for-life !!     Edit/Delete Message
You questioned what the difference between refined and complex carbs was. The following sights have the info you need to know the
difference. www.dphysique.com/Articles/carbs.html www.anndeweesallen.com/dal_gly3.htm

** It is extremely important to get the right kind as well as the right amount of carbs...........

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rippazoid
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posted June 22, 2000 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rippazoid   Click Here to Email rippazoid     Edit/Delete Message
All very good advice. are you doing your cardio in the morning on an empty stomach? I think your carbs are too high drop them by 50% and make sure all you carbs are taken in by 5 pm (taper them as the day goes on) make sure you eat low-glycemic complex carbs as someone said such as sweet potatoes,oatmeal and brown rice and plenty of green leafy veggies. also up essential fats as several have already said( flax,oliveoil) but not over 15% of total calories. protein is about right. your last meal should be consumed by 6pm with no carbs and if you get hungry, eat a tbsp of natural peanut butter before you go to bed and i promise it wont make you fat and you wont get hungry. good luck!

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Twisted_Steel
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posted June 22, 2000 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twisted_Steel   Click Here to Email Twisted_Steel     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 754174
your suger intake is OUTFUCKINGRAGEOUs. Girlfriend your suger intake is almost equivilant to your carb and protien. No fuckin wonder you cant lose bodyfat. Cut that to below 30g per day. Your cheat day is not included. Your carbs and protien as a result will increase a bit, thats fine make sure the carbs are complex. WOW, 112g of suger

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Diablo's Xstasy
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posted June 23, 2000 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo's Xstasy   Click Here to Email Diablo's Xstasy     Edit/Delete Message
Well I finally figured out my diet and have it all intact. All I have to say is that breakfast was icky. LOL Im Italian I love my food, but I can deal.
Well I'm eating 1600 cal, 22g fat, 64carbs, 29sug, and 150g protien.
Thats not exact the paper I have everything written on is upstairs, but that's about right. Im also taking 5 xenadrine a day, 2 with breakfast after my morning 1/2 hour cardio, 2 at lunch and then 1 a half hour before I work out. And yep I remember no carbs after 5pm.
I'll keep you posted on the results if you'd like.
Thanks again for the help!!!
Dx

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qball
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posted June 23, 2000 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for qball   Click Here to Email qball     Edit/Delete Message
your calorie count must is off.

22g f x 9 = 198
150g p x 4 = 600

Is your carb total 64g, with 29g of sugar
or 29g of sugar and 64g of other carb source?

Assuming the second, 64+29 = 93 x 4 = 372

for a grand total 372 + 198 + 600 = 1172

I would add in more flax seed oil. Leave carbs and proteins same.

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