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Luger
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 4)
posted May 31, 2000 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luger     Edit/Delete Message
Hello to everyone, my name is L.W Luger and I have been into bodybuilding and sports for 15 years, I have done the juice and everything and have achieved great goals but now that I am older I noticed it is alot harder to keep the fat off and to keep the big muscles at the same time.I must say though for everyone on here to stay away from the juice, I had a serious injury in 1991 and it was mainly because of the stuff, although I was benching 525 at the time because of the juice I was tearing up my body,I was eating upwards to 5000 calories a day and eating everything from tuna fish which is healthy to gallons of ice cream every day, I sometimes would eat 1 half gallon of ice cream without even getting full, but I kept the fat off and looked fabulous,I am 38 now and still work in sports entertainment but I dont do the drugs anymore and I still have about the same body as I used to before my injury,I am at 4% body fat and weigh 275,my bench is 450 pounds,and I feel great, and I must tell you guys something, it doesnt really mean much on what you eat as long as you get the balanced percentages in your daily diet, I and many of my friends in sports eat a clear balance of fat,protein,and carbs and get about 33% from each every day,I mostly eat protein shakes,egg whites and yolks,beans,veggies,some chinese health food,and some other health foods,about 75% of what I eat is healthy but the other 25% comes from what you guys call junk food meaning fritos,corn dogs,ect, I ocassionly every week eat pie and ice cream,and I do eat my fair share of sweets and I dont get any less body fat percentage or muscle sizes when I eat the junk, see I have done all kinds of tests on my body throughout my proffesional sports career,I have gone through stages where I have eaten 12 protein shakes a day,and 3 chickens a day as well as 1 whole bag of beans,and about 18 egg whites a day, which every day I averaged about 68% protein,25%carbs,and 7%fat,I looked the same as I do now and I eat a very good amount of the so called junk food,I eat 4800 calories a day now and I must say 1200 or so of them are from the junk food department, I dont consider hamburgers junk because you got your fats,proteins,and your good veggie carbs from them, so hamburgers are more like a balnaced meal, I dont eat fruit however because fruit seems to make me feel tired instead of energized, I do drink lots of coffee too,but I dont drink lots of caffeine in mine though, it looks like tea when I make it,I probably consume 12 cups a day,but caffeine wise it would be like 3 cups a day of regualar, but as for the junk food debate it doesnt matter,and not even in your insides because I always get a checkup and my heart rate and blood pressure is even better now then it was when all I ate was health food a year or so back, I even have a friend in my sport that eats 13000 calories a day!He eats this kinda meal for breakfest


12 eggs cooked
10-15 pieces of bacon
3 hamburgers
2 bowls of Ice cream
4 cups of coffee
2 chicken breast with the crust and all

that is his typical breakfast,and for lunch he usually eats

4 peices of chicken breast with crust
3 steaks
3 hot dogs with everything on them
1 average bag of chips
2 plates of salad
12 egg whites


I sware the guy is huge but still that is alot of grub, I have also seen him binge alot, sometimes he can eat a whole gallon of ice cream in one meal,I even saw him do a John Candy one time,remember the great outdoors where Candy goes to the restraunt and eats the 96 ounce steak,or maybe even bigger,anyays this guy once ate 9 steaks at a meal and each steak was 13 ounces,he also gobbled down 8 beers,and the funny thing is that the guy cant gain a pound, he is huge as I said he weighs 385 and he is seven feet tall but how can you eat that much? Also I know tons of athletes from all sports and have close relationships with them,for instance Shaq, Shaq looks like a physically fit guy and he is very strong,he is 330 or so pounds and has 10-12% body fat,but he eats like crazy too,you may think that these athletes are all on diets but I am willing to bet half the athletes in sports dont diet, and almost all wrestlers,baseball players,and football and basketball players drink alot every day,I used to consume 10 or more beers every day and I know some wrestlers that drink 15-20 every other day,I have seen Steve Austin drink nearly 30 beers once at a bar and still have room for 2 whole pizza's! So if you are out there thinking that all bodybuilders eat is health food think again,and to the young guy with 4% fat and 160 pounds named Joe, dude you have some great lifts for your age and weight, I suggest you eat 3000-3500 calories a day and get a balance like 33% from everything,eat junk too,Just as long as you get your basics like protein,veggie carbs,good fats from peanuts,and your vitamins you can eat some unhealthy foods, I dont mean to go eat a pizza every day but you can handle some corn dogs,a little pizza,and some chips because when you add some tasty foods to your diet it changes your mindset and makes your workouts better as well as tricks your muscles into growing, they are used to all health food and once some junk gets in your system the muscles will grow bigger, and dont listen to these people a 14 inch arm for someone 160 is great, you know there are alot of wreslters with arms no bigger than yours,ray mysterio is 155 and he only has 12.5 inch arms,as well as the other lightweights, you know Chyna may look huge on tv but she is barely bigger than you are, she is 180 and her arms are only about a half inch bigger than yours, I mean hell if you were 250 your arms would be small looking but at 160 a pair of 14,s look pretty damn big,espeically if you are cut which you have to be at 4% just never get pressured into the steroids,they will make your arms grow to about 18 in a matter of weeks but you will probably have a heart attack or something bad will happen to your body,an eighteen year old with only 4% fat has about a 75% chance of dying if they take steroids and also it feels better doing things naturally because the steroids are just cheating,any fat fool can get huge muscles ripped up with steroids,hell I have seen 400 pounders with 20% fat take the juice and get down to 10% with a 30 pound gain in only 3.5 weeks before,you know a wrestler Big Pappa in the WCW? He has 26 inch arms and he gained them from taking steroids but us people who know him know the illness he is going through, he has bad kidneys and really bad blood pressure,probably all because of the steroids.

as for me my guns actually have grown over the last year they went from 20 to 21.2 since last july,But I am still growing bigger ever week,I want to get up to 300 but I have so much of a metabolism it is hard to get up to that much weight,plus I train every day so I have to take in extra calories


well I have to go train some, catch you guys later,

Joe I will email you when I get home since you like my favorite sport wrestling so much, I can give you alot of stuff like videos of me and wrestling,and all kinds of stuff, maybe some tickets too, You remind me of my young self because I was 170 at your age and then decided to go to wrestling.

joe give me your email and lets talk

to you all
Total P
L.W Luger

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aten8
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 292)
posted May 31, 2000 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aten8   Click Here to Email aten8     Edit/Delete Message
No disrespect,but I think you either made a typing error, or you seriously need to get your body fat done by someone competent.


Or else what you are telling us is that your in better shape than 90% of the olympia contestants, but clean. Sorry Not a chance.

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MrMuscle
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 1577)
posted June 01, 2000 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrMuscle   Click Here to Email MrMuscle     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 70512967
hehe you HAVE to be Lex Luger from wrestling..i cant think of any other way to explain you post

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Snapper55
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 97)
posted June 01, 2000 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snapper55   Click Here to Email Snapper55     Edit/Delete Message
Hello everyone, I am new to this board. I play division III football and am on a 3-day lifting program, and run three days a week on non-lifting days (sprints followed by conditioning). I have been trying to consume as much protien as possible, but have heard different theories as to how I should use it. I am 6' at about 245 lbs. I have heard that the body can consume about 50 grams of protien every three hours...can anyone confirm or deny this, if so, could you tell me how fast the body can break protien down and how often and in what amount I should consume it? I am not able to eat the junk foods without gaining weight and have been eating red meat twice a day, egg whites in the mornings, "a sensible dinner" and protien drinks 15 minutes after my workouts are completed, I also use creatine. any suggestions or advice is appreciated, thanks.

Dan

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adawg78
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 101)
posted June 01, 2000 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adawg78   Click Here to Email adawg78     Edit/Delete Message
aten8, you should read his post more carefully. he never said he was clean (admitted to doing the juice b4), and probably has the genetics to have a super low bf anyways. also, if he is really the Total Package (assuming u know who that is) then yes, he IS in better shape than 90% of olympia contestants.

torture rack anyone? hehe...

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MS
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 655)
posted June 01, 2000 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
Whether Luger is lying about his stats and lifestyle, or if he happens to have that 1 in a million genetics make no difference. Either way what works for him (alledgedally or otherwise) is not likely to work as a method for a 'natural' to get huge and down to 4%bf. I eat junk food too. I consider it part of a healthy diet, maybe one or two meals a week. Some of his advice is actually quite good, such as

I suggest you eat 3000-3500 calories a day
and get a balance like 33% from everything,eat junk too,Just as long as you get your basics like protein,veggie carbs,good
fats from peanuts,and your vitamins you can eat some unhealthy foods, I dont mean to go eat a pizza every day but you
can handle some corn dogs,a little pizza,and some chips because when you add some tasty foods to your diet it changes
your mindset and makes your workouts better as well as tricks your muscles into growing, they are used to all health food
and once some junk gets in your system the muscles will grow bigger.

Not bad advice for a growing teenager like Joe. But Most people that are not on juice cannot continue to eat like that for their entire lives and not have it catch up with them.

BTW There is no %bf scale that I can find that would put a 38 year old male at 4%. This is simply because any reputable %bf calculation would take in to account the accumulation of internal (as opposed to subcutaneous) fat with increasing age. In other words, even if all his caliper folds measured 1mm he would still technically be over 4% bf at his age. In fact I'm sick of this board. There is some very good advice to be found on it from qualified AND experienced dieticians and knowledgeable people, but there is also far too much boasting, exaggerating and outright lying. Let's bring this board back to a DIET board, and leave the best lifts and stuff to the powerlifting board.

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Steelheart
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 632)
posted June 01, 2000 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steelheart   Click Here to Email Steelheart     Edit/Delete Message
wow. Finally a pro athlete. Welcome aboard.
Email me.

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nobu
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 176)
posted June 01, 2000 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nobu   Click Here to Email nobu     Edit/Delete Message
hey luger, i'm Nobu, 17 year old beginner body builder, thanks for the info it was fun reading it.

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max258
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 71)
posted June 01, 2000 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for max258     Edit/Delete Message
That was some great info Luger, hope to hear some more of your posts.

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aten8
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 292)
posted June 02, 2000 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aten8   Click Here to Email aten8     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not knocking anything that luger has said. I to believe in a diet very similar, thoughout my years of competing my diet has always been somewhat of the opposite of what it should be.
And I know he used to juice, but he says he is no longer. All I said was that his bf% at that wieght is off.
I've been in this buisness 16yrs and diet many pros.
If by chance luger is a freak of nature then hey I guess I'm wrong.
But I would have to see it to believe it. Sorry!!!


Peace
Well I just finished Reading the whole thing again, and he is taking about many people who I would be able to verify about and all I can say is alot of BS going around here.

Peace.

[This message has been edited by aten8 (edited June 02, 2000).]

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WCP
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 1369)
posted June 02, 2000 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WCP   Click Here to Email WCP     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 39184064
No flame intended Lugar...but being a fan of wrestling for quite sometime, I dont think Im buying it, tell you what, Email me let me grill you on some questions about some of YOUR best matches...and lets see....

Otherwise this was entertaining to say the least..

Later,
WCP

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aten8
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted June 02, 2000 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aten8   Click Here to Email aten8     Edit/Delete Message
I'm with you WCP
I personally know alot of the wrestler, in WWF and WCW.
Let me know how the grilling goes.

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POW
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 165)
posted June 02, 2000 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for POW   Click Here to Email POW     Edit/Delete Message
Seems very interesting.

You have 15 years of experience, I have about 4.
I will take your word for it.

POW

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The Whole F/N Show
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 416)
posted June 06, 2000 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Whole F/N Show   Click Here to Email The Whole F/N Show     Edit/Delete Message
This is getting said. No BBP wasn't supsended. His back was all f'ed up. That's really him in the pic. That's really me. He goes to a sport bar near my house all the time. It'd be news to me & every wrestler out there if WWF, WCW or ECW were gonna crack down on roids. Maybe the should try getting rid of coke 1st. I'm not speaking just to speak. I'm speaking because I know.

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Latimer
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 581)
posted June 06, 2000 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Latimer     Edit/Delete Message
Cool man thanks for clearing that up. You guys enjoying some Killian's in that picture? That's awesome that you get to hang with him.

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Steelheart
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 632)
posted June 06, 2000 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steelheart   Click Here to Email Steelheart     Edit/Delete Message
Listen to the Show, He's knows what he's talking about. Hope he come back to elitefitness more often.
MM is good but this is better. Theres no DavidBroadway69 HAHA!

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wrlord
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 62)
posted June 07, 2000 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wrlord   Click Here to Email wrlord     Edit/Delete Message
Didn't WWF crack down on steroids at one point, back when the government was getting involved and folks like Superstar Billy Graham were testifying before Congress? I seem to recall they tried to make their WBF steroid-free, and everyone came in fat (especially Mike Quinn, as I recall)

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The Whole F/N Show
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 416)
posted June 07, 2000 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Whole F/N Show   Click Here to Email The Whole F/N Show     Edit/Delete Message
Aahhh the WBF. Vince Mchanon's one true failure. That thing failed in part because Vince was indited for federal steroid charges. So Vince during that time wanted to distance himself from steroids. That's why he made the WBF go natural and he just wanted it to disappear. People associate steroids with bodybuilding and Vince was facing some serious charges. That is why Linda Mchanon is the CEO of the WWF today. Vince put it in her name so just in case he went away the feds wouldn't be able to take it. Just like a drug dealer huh? Anyway don't worry, the 'roids flowing freely today in the WWF, WCW and ECW.

I was actually drinking Miller Lite in that pic. You just can't see the bottle. I kinda leaned in for the pic.

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