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sabes35
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 29, 2000 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sabes35   Click Here to Email sabes35     Edit/Delete Message
I have to admit, Eating oatmeal, chicken, yogurt, and scrablmed eggs every day makes me want something sweet tasting. I figure Diet pop cant hurt.....But I have a feeling it does. Right now, I'm stopping drinking it for a while, just milk and water. Maybe the carbonation makes be look bloated? I ued to drink 4 or 5 cans a day. Any opnions? Gary

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Decaman
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posted April 29, 2000 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Decaman   Click Here to Email Decaman     Edit/Delete Message
you think?

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aten8
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posted May 03, 2000 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aten8   Click Here to Email aten8     Edit/Delete Message
Climb into my belly. BLOAT BLOAT BLOAT.

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Frackal
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posted May 04, 2000 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frackal   Click Here to Email Frackal     Edit/Delete Message
The sweeteners also spike insulin levels similar to sugar... bad bad bad....

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massmonster2
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posted May 07, 2000 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for massmonster2   Click Here to Email massmonster2     Edit/Delete Message
The sweeteners are bad, but diet rite makes a pop that is sweetened with stevia, that won't spike the levels

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MS
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posted May 07, 2000 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
It's the sweetness in the artificial sweeteners that cause the insulin spike. It doesn't matter if it's aspartame, stevia or cyclomates. It seems we have evolved to anticipate an increase in insulin based upon 'percieved' sweetness. Guess it makes sense from an evolutionary point of view, but it's a bitch when you're trying to diet in the modern world!

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The Mad Scientist

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sabes35
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 07, 2000 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sabes35   Click Here to Email sabes35     Edit/Delete Message
I think you guys are right. I thought a few years ago, that switching to diet pop and Sweeteners in my Coffie would help...But I'm still the same. My biggest Problem right now is that since its, "beach season", I want to try and try adn get rid of a little bit of bodyfat combinded with water retention and the "thick" looking skin that I think is caused by Dairy Products. I'm just going to try to go low carb (50g's or less) for a week or two, no dairy products or sweeteners....amd up my Cardio a little 3 to 4 times a week, in the morning before breakfast...and sometimes immeadiatly after my workout. Other than that, does anyone else know any "Tricks" of bodybuilding to get rid of that last layer covering up the abs? I was contemplating using a over the counter water pill, but some of the guys on here said that may be dangerous......and I'm not sure if Dandylion root will do the job or not. Any other suggestions? Gare

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BackDoc
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posted May 08, 2000 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackDoc     Edit/Delete Message
I've actually got about a thousand case studies on aspartame use being linked to numerous diseases and disorders. There are even a few of them that have the same theme: a person is having a hard time losing fat weight...they have their diet analyzed and it is found that they consume very high amounts of artificial sweeteners...they get off the fake stuff and then they begin having success with weight loss.
I know that sounds crazy, but when you think about the cascade of events that happen when you ingest substances that contain or create by products such as methyl alcohol or formaldehyde, then it becomes not only a weight loss issue but a serious health issue as well. I know that sugar is not so great either, but if I had to choose between sugar and the fake stuff, I'd definitely do the sugar--it's the lesser of the evils. I agree with the post about our insulin release being factored in to our perception of taste. Just like Pavlov's dog was programmed to salivate at the thought of food, so are we...and I don't think there are any guarantees that this doesn't carry over to our pancreatic insulin release.

As far as what to do about it, I've been taking Alpha Lipoic Acid (200mg 3 times a day) for months now and I've been as lean as I want to be. It helps by mimicking insulin and getting the sugar out of your system and into your muscle cells, plus it is an antioxidant--which means it helps destroy the free radicals caused by excess sugar metabolism.
If you want a supplement to help curb sugar cravings then you might try getting some gymnema sylvestra in the teabags and drinking a cup of the tea at times when you crave sweets (this doesn't work with the gymnema sylvestra in capsule form---it must be the teabags). When I drink a cup of the tea, then for the next couple of hours all sweet things taste kind of sour but it doesn't affect the taste of other things. Give that a try if you like.

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sabes35
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 08, 2000 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sabes35   Click Here to Email sabes35     Edit/Delete Message
Great Advice Backdoc, I have to heard good things about Alpha Liptic Acid (by the way which brand do you use?) ALso the Tea is a good idea, i personally drink black coffie, but whatever works for the individual. I have quit taking all sweetners IE yogurt, Diet cola, etc...and I don't notice a difference yer, I'm going to give it a couple weeks, along with reducing my carbs, and making sure the bulk of my carbs are eaten before my workout. By the way, in case you dont know McDonalds Chicken McGrill's are buy one get one free this week. i personally eat the first, and just eat the chicken on the second.....because i feel guilty about the extra carbs. Gare

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GOWZER
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posted May 08, 2000 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GOWZER   Click Here to Email GOWZER     Edit/Delete Message
ha! you dare put up a fucking post about losing weight than you plug mcdonalds,you should really give up working out .im so fucking sick of these novices puting up pathetic post and im sick of seeing you sissys in the gym benching 100lbs with bad form.you want to know if diet soda is bad on a diet but you eat mcdonalds ,and your wondering why you cant lose the last layer of fat,im suspecting theres more than one last layer on your flabby butt.get a life.and dont waste peoples time any more..

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sabes35
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posted May 08, 2000 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sabes35   Click Here to Email sabes35     Edit/Delete Message
Mcdonalds chicken MCgrill

27g's of protien
47g's of carbs
7g's of fat
Not that bad???????? Sure its a little high in sodium...But what the hell are you supposed to do when you don't have time to stay at home and make a meal. Your a real asshole, who doesn't have a life if you have time to prepare every meal at home. Gare

By the way I never said i was trying to "loose weight," I am trying to gain muscle and stay lean. If your going to comment about what someone writes, make sure know what the hell your talking about.

[This message has been edited by sabes35 (edited May 08, 2000).]

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GOWZER
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posted May 11, 2000 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GOWZER   Click Here to Email GOWZER     Edit/Delete Message
excuse me bro ,but at your last post you specifically wrote you want to get rid of body fat,or you just dont know what the fuck youre writing!like i said i hate fucking amatures..

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sabes35
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posted May 11, 2000 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sabes35   Click Here to Email sabes35     Edit/Delete Message
No, Excuse me "bro?", even an asshole like you should realize that losing a little bit of bodyfat does NOT mean "losing weight." But even beyond that, I honestly can't believe that you have such a meaningless life, that you spend time coming on this post and harrassing me. Honestly "bro", I never asked you personlly a fucking thing.....So if you don't have anything usefull to add, give your fucking fingers a rest!!!!!!!! The last thiing i need when i get home, is to come to this post thinking someone has posted someting helpful......and see your dumbass complaning about shit that doesn't even concern you. If you ever see my name on a post again...just assume that it is directed to every other person on the site, but you. Please shut the fuck up already, Gare

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GOWZER
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posted May 13, 2000 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GOWZER   Click Here to Email GOWZER     Edit/Delete Message
dude your just a fucking amatuer,you know nothing about bodybuilding otherwise you wouldnt be on this board asking the most ignorant fucking questions ..is soda bad on a diet..hahahahahah what a fucking prick you are....
nuff said

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MS
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posted May 14, 2000 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
Chill GOWZER.
You're right. Gare doesn't know everything about dieting. That's WHY he's asking questions on this board. If he knew it all (or even a lot more) hopefully he would then be answering questions on this board, And answering them in a civilised manner. At least he's not trying to bullshit us by saying stuff like "I've been really strict for the last 12 months and I just can't seem to lose the weight" when he's actually been pigging out at McD's 5 times a week and eating pizza and ice cream on sundays. Now THAT would piss even me off.

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cockdezl
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 28, 2000 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cockdezl     Edit/Delete Message
First lets put this to rest; artificial sweetners have not been shown to ilicit a cephalic phase response in the majority of studies:

Physiol Behav 1995 Jun;57(6):1089-95
"Sweet taste: effect on cephalic phase insulin release in men."

Teff KL, Devine J, Engelman K

Monell Chemical Senses Center, Philadelphia, PA 19104, USA.

To determine whether sweet-tasting solutions are effective elicitors of cephalic phase insulin release (CPIR) in humans, two studies were conducted using nutritive and nonnutritive sweeteners as stimuli. Normal weight men sipped and spit four different solutions: water, aspartame, saccharin, and sucrose. A fifth condition involved a modified sham-feed with apple pie. The five stimuli were administered in counterbalanced order, each on a separate day. In study 1, subjects tasted the stimuli for 1 min (n = 15) and in study 2 (n = 16), they tasted the stimuli for 3 min. Arterialized venous blood was drawn to establish a baseline and then at 1 min poststimulus, followed by every 2 min for 15 min and then every 5 min for 15 min. In both study 1 and study 2, no significant increases in plasma insulin were observed after subjects tasted the sweetened solutions. In contrast, significant increases in plasma insulin occurred after the modified sham-feed with both the 1 min and 3 min exposure. These results suggest that nutritive and nonnutritive sweeteners in solution are not adequate stimuli for the elicitation of CPIR.

Physiol Behav 1994 Jan;55(1):139-43

"Intense sweeteners, food intake, and the weight of a body of evidence."

Renwick AG

Clinical Pharmacology Group, University of Southampton, UK.

A review of published data shows that although intense sweeteners have been shown to increase hunger ratings in some studies in humans, this has not been a consistent and reproducible observation. Any slight effect on perceived hunger has not been translated into an increase in food ingestion or effects on blood concentrations of insulin or glucose. Studies on the covert substitution of caloric sweeteners by intense sweeteners have shown either a decrease or no change in body weight. The published database does not support the concept that the consumption of intense sweeteners results in a paradoxical increase in calorie intake and body weight.

Diet drinks in general have a good bit of sodium which could probably be deleterious for bodybuilders due to water retention. Finally, the fact that GOWSER is flaming anyone and calling them amateurs is fucking hilarious. The dumb bastard stated that antibiotics stop protein synthesis in humans and used Bill Philips as a reference. HAHAHAHAA!!!!

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