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DaveNY

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posted January 03, 2001 04:04 AM

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ok, I take Ripped Fuel everyday before my morning cardio. I have recently started drinking a cup of black coffee with it, all before my run. Now, I have got the E and C down. A, that for Asprin? Do I need to take that? And how much? I'm currently cruising between 150-155 lbs. I'm 5'9". Benching 155 and curling 85. Cardio 6 mornings a week for 30 min. Gym 5 days a week on this breakdown: 1-chest/triceps 2-legs 3-back 4-shoulders 5-biceps.

My diet is lame, I am eating very little each day. 5 eggs at breakfast with a protein shake (shake has about 30g and no carbs). After gym, tuna sandwich with another shake. Dinner, maybe tuna again, maybe a few veggie burgers instead, with another shake. Before bed, if I'm starving, some more eggs, less yolks though, and maybe a shake.

I need to lose fat in my pecs and love handles. Thanks for any advice.


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Hyprzo

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posted January 03, 2001 04:43 AM

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The aspirin isnt really needed in an ECA stack.I havent really seen that many studies on its contribution to fat loss except with obese people.I do use it though just because I dont experience any discomfort with it so I just take it.If you want to use it you should go with half a tablet (~160mg) with each dosage of E and C.

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Valdez

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posted January 03, 2001 02:29 PM

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Eat carbs for breakfast, then taper them off into the afternoon. do not deprive yourself of carbs in the morning.

the ripped fuel/black coffe is fine.


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BSmooth

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posted January 03, 2001 02:41 PM

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I always used to take aspirin with my Ripped Fuel. I've noticed it seems to make the effects last longer. I just started using ECA again and am taking new Ripped Fuel Extreme. It has white willow bark (aspirin) and a bunch of other stuff that regular Ripped Fuel doesn't have. For some reason, I don't feel as jittery while on it, and my hunger feels like I'm not on ECA. But I was really surprised when I weighed myself a week later, and had lost about 3 pounds. I didn't change my eating, and if anything, my muscles look fuller. I think the Ripped Fuel Extreme just burned off some fat. Try it.


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tns

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posted January 12, 2001 04:05 AM

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I love my ECAY stack!

Also split those meals into 6 meals and you will absorb more of that proteint and add less fat.


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The Ghost

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posted January 12, 2001 08:42 AM

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I think the aspirin does help the potency of the stack, and serves to augment the effects of the caffiene and ephedrine. I wish I could remember what exactly it was I read about adding aspirin to the stack, but I just can't. I know that it had to do with the effects adding aspirin had on norepinephrine levels. I'll try to find it!

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DaveNY

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posted January 12, 2001 03:55 PM

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The Ghost, thanks. And as always, thanks to those who replied, this message board is great.

DaveNY


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chillin408

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posted January 12, 2001 04:44 PM

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i agree with hyprzo,i heard(read in past posts) that other than in obese woman aspirin included in the EC stack wont make any significant difference,especially if your one of thsoe people who are sensitive its best not to include


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new@gettinbig

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posted January 12, 2001 05:31 PM

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You need to work on your DIET!! You are not eating enough food! You are doing a lot of cardio, and weight training and that requires food Eat some protein=chicken, lean meat, turkey, tuna, protein bars etc. High protein, moderate carbs like oatmeal, yams, rice, baked potatoes etc. Then worry about ECA.


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fitgal

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posted January 12, 2001 08:13 PM

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I believe that aspirin is supposed to make the effects of the stack last longer. my .02


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tns

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posted January 26, 2001 09:57 PM

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Hey Guys,

FYI on aspirin: it cancels out your bodys attempt to balance out the ecy elements.

Your body trys the slow things down with those echonosids (sp?) and aspirin kills those.

Good and bad echonosids are killed so stacking in a cycle is a must.


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Cuts

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posted January 27, 2001 02:33 AM

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O.k., here's the deal: Ephedrine and Caffeine basically both serve to slightly increase your body temp. and thereby your BMR (albeit with slightly different mechanisms). Aspirin serves to shut down something called the cyclooxegenase pathway in your cells, effectively decreasing fat deposition. So, what you have is the E & the C serving to "melt" extra fat and the A serving to prevent putting on more fat. As far as the ratios go, E/C/A MUST EQUAL 25mg/200mg/300mg for maximum efficacy. Of course, none of this will work if you're not following a proper nutrition plan...5-6 P/C/F-40/40/20% meals a day for a total of about 1800 calories, considering your body weight. Also, if your main goal is fat loss, take this ECA combo 3 times/day... the 1st time 45 minutes before your morning cardio (wait for about 45 minutes to eat afterwards), and then 30 minutes before lunch and dinner. I think if you restrict calories like this and do cardio 5-6 days/week, you should cut back some on your lifting too, so as not to overtrain. Why don't you try this... 3 day split--Mon,Wed,Fri... as long as you're intense, that should be enough. Oh yeah, I agree with what was said above about tapering carbs towards the days end... make your last meal purely protein and some fat (I use choclate protein and peanut butter in a shake). Stay disciplined and good luck!

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decadon

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posted January 27, 2001 09:40 AM

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cuts..where is your info on cox/cox2 inhibition by aspirin as to the effects of fat deposition...never heard that in pharm..jus wondering where you got that...not a flame


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decadon

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posted January 27, 2001 09:48 AM

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cuts..where is your info on cox/cox2 inhibition by aspirin as to the effects of fat deposition...never heard that in pharm..jus wondering where you got that...not a flame
ps..aspirin uncouples ox/phosphorylation slightly...which will lead into more body heat...hence will increase resp rates

pps...aspirin shuts down cox 1 &2, therefore shutting down endogenous production of prostaglandin, prostocyclins. and thrombaxanes..by doing this you will have more gi discomfort(less mucous)and more acid, decreased renal blood flow and filtration, retention of na+,k+ and H2O,


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