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susty

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posted October 10, 2000 05:19 PM

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need some help on this one guys...any constructive input would be greatly appreciated!
Im really trying to cut the sugar out of my diet as much as possible,so i am looking for the source of complex carbs that would give me the most grams of carbs for the volume.
I was also curious as to weather or not there is a complex carb powder out there?

thanks again for any help.


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MS

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posted October 10, 2000 06:52 PM

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Pasta or potatoes are great. Cheap and easy to eat a lot of carbs in one sitting. Oatmeal is another good carb to stock up on. Throwing cooked white rice or raw oats in a blender with skim milk (plus or minus protein powder) is a standard drink with the hard-core big guys at my gym. Takes less than a minute to slug down well over 100 grams of carbs.


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nobu

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posted October 10, 2000 06:53 PM

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as for the complex carb powder, im unsure, but for me i think a really dense and filling carb would be pasta. its not great when cutting but when your bulking its great. also potatoes, oatmeal, brown rice, beans, dense rye bread, all good carbs.


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cockdezl

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posted October 10, 2000 07:08 PM

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"Im really trying to cut the sugar out of my diet as much as possible,so i am looking for the source of complex carbs that would give me the most grams of carbs for the volume."

If you are looking to reduce the amount of sugars in your diet, then replacing them with a dense source of complex carbs is not beneficial. Just because a carb is considered complex, does not mean that it any different than generic sugar. An example: table sugar=sucrose has a lower glycemic index than maltodextrin, a complex carb. Therefore, insulin release, along with fat storage should be higher on the complex carb scenario.

What you need to do is find good sources of carbs that are low to moderate in carbs and high in fiber. Foods such as cruciferous vegetables (cauliflower, broccoli, brussel sprouts, etc.), beans, lentils, oats, etc. Fiber is the major determinant in GI rating.


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susty

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posted October 11, 2000 12:38 PM

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thanks for all the replies guys...especially you MS...i think ill try that blender deal that you mentioned

and cockdezl...i am NOT tryin to put u down in any way.....so please dont take it that way....cuz i know you were tryin to help...and your info was a very intelligent response.... BUT....trying to eliminate sugar from my diet WOULD INDEED be beneficial to me....for i wasnt really talking about the glycemic index/insulin response/etc .....i am actually in the proccess of cleansing my body of something called candidiasis(a yeast)...and it feeds on sugars....and im trying to keep eating and gaining weight while my diet is so restricted in order to kill this damn shit....so that is why i asked my question.

thanks again everyone!~


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cockdezl

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posted October 12, 2000 06:35 PM

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SUSTY, I am well aware of Candidiasis due to C. albicans, as I am a microbiologist. Removal of simple sugars and replacement with complex carbs will not affect C. albicans, since it can readily use complex carbs. I have grown C. albicans on various medias which contain potato starch (complex carb) as its source of carbohydrates.

May I ask how you were diagnosed with C. albicans? A stool culture will often show C. albicans, since it is often normal flora. I have read books, such as The Yeast Connection, and I do not believe that they convincingly argue that candidiasis is as prevalent as they claim, at least the research does not support it. If you truly have this infection, then you may need a course of anti-fungal agents, such as itraconozole, ketoconazole, etc,.


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MR. BMJ

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posted October 13, 2000 04:14 AM

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Cockdezl, I was wondering what your opinion was on TC Luoma and the work/views he has brought to the sport as he is also a microbiologist as you probably already know. Personally, I like him when he is not pushing some of his supplements with some of the bullshit hype. How much credit to microbiology do you give to your being such a smart bastard. I have been reading everything that you have written since I came back to this board in April, and I am very impressed with your knowledge. You can tell that you have done your homework. After I get my degree in dietetics (both B.s and M.S.) I want to continue my learning more into the physiology and biochem fields, what do you think? Anyway, thanks for being here on this board to answer and correct our questions and answers, I look up to people like you and have also learned a lot by your posts.


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MR. BMJ

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posted October 16, 2000 10:52 PM

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BTW, I know your stance on the Dietetics major, but I only have 2 more semesters until I get my degree so I am not gonna back out now. To sum up my post above, what classes/courses allowed you to get a better understanding of knowledge that you possess/have? Also the TC thing too. HEHEHE. Thanks man.


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cockdezl

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posted October 17, 2000 09:09 PM

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MR. BMJ, my knowledge was built on the foundations of alot of fields, such as biochem, microbiology, nutrition and molecular bio. I was a slacker in college in terms of ambition to recieve a degree. I switched majors 4 times trying to figure out what I wanted to do, and essentially just went with microbiology, which I am very satisfied with. The classes were the foundation, but I truly love science and read as much as possible in different fields, especially things related to pharmacology and nutrition.

As for T.C., this is news to me...I had no idea he was a microbiologist. I tend not to read his articles in Test.net, since they tend to be editorials and not science or training articles.


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MR. BMJ

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posted October 17, 2000 10:39 PM

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Thanks Cockdezl.


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Pamela

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posted October 19, 2000 02:08 AM

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Cockdezl,
Would you e-mail me so I could ask you a
question regarding fungal infection?

Thanks Pamela

[This message has been edited by Pamela (edited October 20, 2000).]


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Pamela

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posted October 19, 2000 03:38 PM

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HIT Bodybuilder

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posted October 19, 2000 08:38 PM

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Lentils are probably one of the best sources of complex carbohydrates. It is rates of the lowest on the glycemic index charts.

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MS

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posted October 19, 2000 08:56 PM

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I agree with HIT. Lentils, chick peas and beans are cheap and excellent foods for carb and they also have more protein than food like potatoes and rice. The fiber content is a bonus, especially for people who don't get enough fruits and veggies in their diet.


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MICHLDAV

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posted October 21, 2000 06:58 PM

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Just for the record, lentils is indeed a good cplex source of carbs, but don't put to much in to the glycemic rating. The reason being that lentils have a low rating is the nutrient balance between proteins, carbs and protein. White rice is just as good (or white bread for that matter) as long as you have the right protein to carb ration in one given meal. Besides the proteins in vegetables(eg. lentils) are not complete proteins sources, since they don't contain all 8 essential amino acids that the body can't make on it's own..it would therefor be wrong to count such proteins in to youre daily protein intake.
Fibers is a nother thing(eg. broccolli) They help in digestion, and are calorie free(the body don't store fibers) and should therefor not be counted in to your daily calories..but should defenitely be a part of your diet.

I hope you get this the right way, since my English skills aren't that good.

Mike H. / A.K.A. MICHLDAV

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