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 What the hell else can I do?
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 418 |
I am so frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can not get rid of these last 20 lbs of fat. I have tried every damn diet and exercise program that I have ever heard of and I can not get any further. I have adjusted my diet from 1500 calories to 3000 calories with everything from a keto diet to 40% protein, 40% carbs and 20% fat. I tried using a little test cyp but that didn't help. I am now doing winny and t3 and I still can't lose any fat. In fact I have put on almost 10 lbs over the last 2-3 months and from looking in the mirror it is all muscle and water. I can put on muscle with no problem, I mean hell I can grow off of 75mg of winny eod. What other diet and exercise regimine can I try? I have used everything from 6 days of cardio for 45 min with 5 days of weight lifting to 3 days of weight lifting and 3 days of cardio hiit style for 20 min. I am so pissed that I am considering getting lipo. If you have any tips or suggestions PLEASE post or e-mail me. By the way, I am 220 at about 17% bf and 6'3". Thanks,     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 880 |
When I'm trying to get those last pounds off for a show, I have to increase my cardio to 2 sessions per day of around an hour. I also reduce my carbs down to as close to zero as I can. It's no fun, but sometimes you've got to get tough to achieve your goals. If you try this, don't expect the fat to stay off after you stop! I don't know what else to tell you. Have you tried a (good) PT? Your sitch sounds a difficult one to offer help on over the internet. For some things you need someone there in person to adjust diet and exercise for you. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 29 |
Sounds like you've tried a lot of different options, but how long did you stick to any one of them? Dieting is hard because the process is slow and the gains gradual. If you only stick to a regimine for two weeks, get frustrated, and then move on to the next, you'll never see results. I don't mean to accuse you, for all I know, you've been incredibly disciplined and given everything a reasonable try. But the truth is, dieting isn't rocket science, it's just hard work, discipline and PATIENCE. Best of luck. | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 4 |
Try moving your cardio earlier in the day. Doing cardio in the morning raises your metabolism for the rest of the day. In addition to 3-4 sessions of pure cardio per week, try adding 20 minutes or so of Abdominal exercises to your weight training days. Switching exercises during those 20 minutes (changing from crunches to leg-lifts) is allowed but don't rest. Stay away from simple/processed sugars and alcohol. Hope that helps, | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 474 |
ditto to what everyone says. I've tried all of this & esp. the cardio in the AM PRIOR to eating helped me TREMENDOUSLY! Also, watch your food intake prior to bedtime. Don't eat and then go straight to bed. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 11 |
What are some opinions on cardio if you don't have time to do it in the morning? Before you workout; after you workout, etc. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 418 |
Thanks for your help. I have settled on 250g protein, 200g carbs and under 50g fat while doing 3 days of lifting a week and 4-5 cardio sessions. 2-3 of the cardio will be 20 min of hiit training on the treadmill before breakfast and the other 2 will be a 24 min program on the stationary bike. I will give the alpha lipoic acid acid a try as well. I will get my carbs from potatoes, whole wheat bread (sugar free),rice, vegies and apples. I will be sticking with this plan for a month or two and then make adjustments from there. Later, [This message has been edited by giantset (edited September 14, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 34 |
Maybe you should try low GI carbs? Or have you tried them? After looking at that Mendosa guy's GI index, I got the impression that a potato is as bad as refined sugar so far as boosting your BS is concerned. I don't know if quick BS boosts encourage fat storage, but from experience I can tell you that low GI carb/low carb meals will do this for you: Such meals will prevent a BS spike followed by an insulin spike followed by a feeling of intense hunger (the hunger occuring sometime a few hours after you eat, that is). That is something you can actually FEEL, not just read about. And I have found it definitely helps me eat less. I'd go on to say that's one important reason why we have so many fat people in this country (the US). Too much refined carbs=too many insulin spikes=more hunger=more eating=getting fatter. The human body might LIKE refined, quick BS boosting foods (look how Coca-Cola is selling world-wide), BUT the human body isn't evolved to really TOLERATE quick BS-boosting foods. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 29 |
If your body weight is 220, and if you are training hard 3xs/wk and doing cardio 4-5xs/wk, I suspect you're going to need more than 2200 total calories per day if you don't want to lose muscle along with the fat. I don't think you should be eating less than 2500 cal/day to start. If you aren't losing 1-2 lbs a week you can cut back on the calories by 500 a week until you start losing the weight. But if you're losing MORE than 1-2lbs per week you need to increase your total calories. Good luck! [This message has been edited by lpw (edited September 22, 2000).] [This message has been edited by lpw (edited September 22, 2000).] | ||
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Novice
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Giantset, Have you considered cycling your protein intake, where you consume a high protein diet(250g-300g of protein and low carbs) for three days and then consume a low protein diet(100g of protein, higher carb) for three days and then repeat the cycle. This theory is encouraged by Torbjorn Akerfeldt, a swedish bodybuilder and scientist, and is featured in a four part series in musclemedia magazine. the protein cycling is described within the framework of the Anabolic Burst Cylcing of Diet and Exercise which is a calorie cycling program. However, the protein cycling can be done on its own as they describe in part IV of the feature. Supposedly this allows you to lose fat while maintaining muscle(and possibly even gaining muscle) I am doing this now and have had good results. I have lost weight and not lost any muscle. This is just a thought. Follow this link to learn the specifics and the science behind the theory: http://www.musclemedia.com/training/abcde/v61_abc4.asp This is a long article, you may want to scroll down to the part about protein cycling. Hope this helps. Big Worm [This message has been edited by Big Worm (edited September 29, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 76 |
This is off the original subject but correlates with Big Worm. Take a look at botlink.com. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 418 |
Thanks for the links. Those are some very interesting theories on protein cycling. So you think that the three on, three off cycle is pretty effective? What is your total calorie intake and bodyweight? I think I may give protein cycling a try in the near future. I wonder if the second article from t-mag would work better when going on a bulking cycle of roids. Maybe 4-6 weeks with low protein and then 8 weeks of high protein along with an 8 week cycle. I think that it could work but I wonder if lowering protein after the 8 weeks would make you crash harder from coming off of the cycle? Thanks, | ||
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Novice
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giantset, The 3 day cycling periods has worked for me but I just came off a 2 week bulking period and so my body was primed to lose the weight. On previous cutting cycles i had been frustrated by loss of muscle. this time i lost no muscle at all and still took off 10-15 pounds in 2 weeks with no cardio at all. right now Im at 190, before cutting i was around 205. My calories on high protein days were about 1800-2000 and about 1500-1700 on low protein days. I haven't tried this program without having previously been on a bulking cycle so i cant be sure if it will work for you but i suspect you will see some steady results if you do some cardio as well(in the morning on an empty stomach after having some coffee or other form of caffeine) Some glutamine would help too, especially at night before you go to bed to keep cortisol levels down. On high protein days you should get the rest of you calories from unsaturated fats and only a little from carbs. On low protein days(75-100g) you should get the remainder of calories from carbs and only a little from fat. you wont see a lot a fat loss on the low protein days, must of the weight will come off on high protein days but you need the low protein days to make the high protein days effective. The other program sounds interesting but it seems like its geared toward muscle growth and not fat loss. Hope this helps. Good luck. Big Worm [This message has been edited by Big Worm (edited October 01, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 16 |
yo bigworm I am really interested in the 3day protein cycling I want to give it a try but since u r already in it I think you may help me a bit since I can't started by myself because in the link you posted they explain everything but the problem is that the info and examples they have there is of a 200lbs bodybuilder meaning that the calories and protein/carbs/fat ratio would be different since I weight 171lbs so my question is how can I design my own 3 day protein cycling??? I emailed you but you haven't respond and since I need this info so badly I post it here to be sure you get it! Hope to hear from you soon!  |
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posted September 05, 2000 01:35 AM