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 First Cycle Ever - Is my deca real?
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BigMax Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted June 18, 2000 04:44 PM
  
Looking for some reassurance from those more in the know than myself. I'm 3 weeks less a day into my first cyle ever - just deca. I'm not expecting wild gains because I believe deca is best when stacked with something else, but I do expect some gains. Also, I understand that deca is a slow acting drug and may take several weeks to "kick in". I've haven't really noticed major gains yet (didn't really expect to) although I have gained 2 or 3 pounds, I seem leaner (been doing lots of cardio) and when I flex, I look noticeably more ripped. I'm also noticeably more vascular. In any event, I realize that there is a lot of fake deca out there. What confuses me though is that I believe the black market stuff (and I believe most deca is black market) can be bunk or real. I have 2 ml ampules labeled 1 ml: 100 mg, Organon Holland, yellow flip tops, no separation between the flip top and the metal cap, metal cap firmly attached (can't turn it), expiration date & lot number in the same print as the label... I've read that these vials are fake. I've read that these vials are real. Came packed in boxes (Oraganon Holland) labeled in english & greek, saying 3 vials per box. There were actually 8 vials per box, plus I got 4 loose vials. Despite the fact that both the vials and the boxes state the strength is 1ml: 100 mg, my supplier (who I know quite well) says the suff inside is actually the 1 ml: 50 mg stuff from Mexico. He said just about everything out there is black market, hence the inconsistencies in packaging (ie: 8 vials packed on these boxes instead of 3, 50mg actual strength instead of 100mg as labeled, yada yada). He says the stuff is often obtained from the manufacturer illegally in drums, and packaged separately. This makes sense to me. The oily solution is very pale yellow, smells slightly medicinal, hard to explain, almost like a hint of almond (I remember from organic chemistry class that some esters can smell this way), tastes bitter, and numbs the tongue. I know for sure that the guy I bought it from would not knowingly scam me (or anyone else for that matter). I've had absolutely no problems at the injection sites with very little pain (just a little stiffness the next day) and have injected quite a bit (given the 50mg strength). Last injection was a total of 10 ml (4 sites in my ass) representing 500 mg. I really have no reason to suspect the suff is fake other than my paranoia, lack of real gains yet (and I acknowledge it may be too early), and all the research I've done which seems to indicate that most deca is fake. Can I expect some good gains soon? Sorry for the length of this posting -- I've seen guys harassed for short or unresearched questions. IP: Logged |
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BigMax Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted June 18, 2000 04:58 PM
One more thing. The lot # and expiry date on the boxes are stamped on. Not that this really matters because 1ml: 50 mg deca inside the vials is reportedly not what the labels say. My guess is that the stuff is OK. IP: Logged |
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Dabb Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted June 18, 2000 05:04 PM
What is the exp. date and lot # on your deca. Maybe It's the same as mine. IP: Logged |
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BigMax Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted June 18, 2000 06:57 PM
Lot 136207 Exp 011028 IP: Logged |
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Dabb Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted June 18, 2000 10:02 PM
my deca has different numbers than yours. I am still waiting for results. I just started my cycle 1 week ago and I am not 100% sure that my gear is real. IP: Logged |
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BigMax Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted June 19, 2000 01:25 AM
Just about everyone I talk to says to be patient with deca. Especially if you're doing a deca only cycle. Supposedly it can take a good 3-4 weeks before it really kicks in. The tough part is not knowing for sure... as you inject unknown oily fluid into your ass. IP: Logged |
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BigMax Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted June 19, 2000 01:29 AM
You've also gotta realize that the drugs aren't magic. Realistically, if you're taking the deca once a week, and you train each body part once a week, it doesn't make sense that you'd notice any gains one week into your cycle. IP: Logged |
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charlie Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 318) |
posted July 04, 2000 04:33 PM
Gains kick in at different times for each of us! For me i know im on Deca into week 3! Strength starts to climb, appetite increases, Tightness, Confidence, and of course weight gain! If after 4 weeks, you aint got any of the above then somethings not right! If training was hard. Diet was good. Sleeping was good. Dosage was high enougth if all these then Fake gear in my opinion. Dont forget just because it is a fake doesnt mean it is no good! there are very good fakes out there that are as good as the originals! sometimes better! IP: Logged |
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Decaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 355) |
posted July 04, 2000 06:49 PM
If you needed help with Deca, why not ask for me stupid, lol. Anyway here it is, what you have sounds fishy, if it was what it was supposed to be which is 100mg per ml@ 2ml per vial, you would have my favorite deca. In my opinion yellow top organon is the best deca. From what i understand the 50mg per ml has a blue top. I have the good shit and here is the exp date 2002-04 and lot # 242264 this is real, they are yellow tops and are 2ml @ 100mg per ml. Next problem is why the fuck is your friend telling you it is 50 mg per ml if it says it is 100, that is the fishy part, you need to inquire a little more about that. Next what the fuck are you gonna do with only 12 vials espicially if they are 50mg , which means you got 1200mg total, that is not nearly enough for a decent cycle. Go get some test, ask your buddy what the fuck is the deal with those things, and next time do not buy them if the vial says one thing and your friend is telling you another. He must know something and he isn't telling you. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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dahmer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 359) |
posted July 04, 2000 10:39 PM
Why don't all of you save your money and just buy Nor200. Or Dek200 if you don't like Brovel shit. My friend did Deca with those little amps and it cost a fortune. Plus 1000 injections per cycle sucks!! IP: Logged |
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Decaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 355) |
posted July 04, 2000 11:05 PM
Well I haven't tried then aussie shit, but you know damn well the nor is underdosed, and I do not care what anyone says, ORGANON deca, especially those yellow tops are definetly better quality wise than other decas, I tried the brovel, broke out bad on it, not one zit with organons yellow tops, so in my opinion, it is cleaner. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigMax Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted July 05, 2000 01:33 AM
Thanks for your input, guys. Still not sure if the Deca is Deca or not. It's been 5 weeks and I've gained around 5 or 6 pounds (from 202 to 207+) and I'm noticeably leaner. Gains could either be from the drug or the fact that I've added 2 meals per day over that same period, and have done lots of cardio, who knows. I've decided to change my approach in order to get faster gains. I'm trying Sustanon 250's for 8 weeks, probably 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 2, 2, 1, with an ampule of Winstrol Depot every other day for the last 30 days of the cycle. Should get some pretty good results from that. Then I'm going to take a break from drugs (other than recreational party drugs which I could NEVER do without) until winter. IP: Logged |
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keanu Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 3) |
posted July 07, 2000 03:34 AM
Hey BIG MAX! You are right. It is good idea to stack Sustanon with something like Deca or winstrol.I would still like to choose different style when constructing the cycle. I would choose at least 750 ml up to one gram of sustanon and start the cycle with that dosage when your reseptors are still fresh and willing to take all the gear in. Then i would start slowly tapering down before any side effects start to show up. IP: Logged |
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