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Leroy
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posted January 27, 2000 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leroy   Click Here to Email Leroy     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 62152588
Hi Guys !!

What do you guys do to protect the liver when on roids ??? pray ??

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Take Care.
Leroy

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2Thick
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posted January 27, 2000 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2Thick   Click Here to Email 2Thick     Edit/Delete Message
You can drink milk thissle, take essential forte and take other precautionary measures.

Jon

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macrophage69alpha
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posted January 27, 2000 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
I have never heard of drinking milk thistle, although the herbal capsules active ingredient (SILYMARIN) has been shown to regenerate damaged liver cells- even in cirrhotic(sp.) livers.

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E2
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posted January 27, 2000 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2   Click Here to Email E2     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 54337564
Standardized silymarin 160 mg + 3x/day

Evening primrose oil 1300 mg 2x/day

Alpha lipoic acid 100 to 200 mg 3x/day

Glycyrrhizinate Forte 1 capsule 3x/day

N-acetyl cysteine 600 mg 3x/day

Glutamine powder 2g to 12g 3x/day (1 heaping teaspoon = 4g, 1 hpg tablespoon = 12 grams)

Omega 3 fatty acids 2 to 3 capsules 3x/day

Lung Tan Xie Gan Chinese herb formula - as directed


E2

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Leroy
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posted January 27, 2000 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leroy   Click Here to Email Leroy     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 62152588
Hey E2, i have to take all this toguether or choose one of them ???

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WarLobo
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posted January 28, 2000 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
E2, you should post that whole article, it is good info and will explain things in greater detail. I think I have it SOMEWHERE ....

When I'm using an oral I'll take the Milk T, N-acetyl cysteine, all the oils (this you need to do for the whole cycle anyway) and extra Vitamin E. And of course Glute....

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Lobo

p.s. AND NO DRINKING

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E2
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posted January 28, 2000 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2   Click Here to Email E2     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 54337564
Leroy you don't have to take all of them choose two or three, and warlobo i'm looking for the article but i can't find it, when if i do i'll post it

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styles
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posted January 28, 2000 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for styles     Edit/Delete Message
E2 has listed all the things you can take. but water in large amounts is key. try hot water with lemon in it before bed.

this may sound strange but after your cycle is over and your not taking any pills...1 small alcoholic drink a day will actually not be enough to destry the cells in the liver but promote tissue regeneration. look it up, sounds odd but its true, just dont think you can go out and get pissed while on juice every night and think"hey, i feel great"

you wont feel so great when your piss looks like cherry koolaid. ^_^

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quenepo
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posted January 28, 2000 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for quenepo   Click Here to Email quenepo     Edit/Delete Message
I take milk thissle and Primrose oil.

quenepo

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WarLobo
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posted January 29, 2000 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
The truth is, all oral anabolic steroids that are 17-alpha alkylated (17-AA) do have some potential for liver toxicity, especially with higher doses, so your doctor should monitor liver function tests. Oral 17-AA steroids also can affect blood cholesterol in ways that may increase the risk of cardiovascular disease. Specifically, they raise LDL cholesterol, and lower HDL cholesterol. To reduce this risk somewhat, people who use oral steroids should consider taking 400 to 800 IU of Vitamin E and 1000 to 2000 mg of Vitamin C with every meal, as taking these vitamins reduces the potential for cholesterol to oxidize. The oxidation of cholesterol promotes atherosclerosis (plaque formation in the arteries).

Also, people who use oral 17-AA steroids should take any of several dietary supplements that help protect the liver. One of the best of these supplements is the herb called silymarin (milk thistle) as a standardized extract. Standardized silymarin should be purchased from a health food store to get the best quality, and good brands include Enzymatic Therapy, and Jarrow.

Protecting the Liver
Here are the other supplements that can help to protect the liver when taking oral anabolic steroids (or any liver-toxic drugs):

Standardized silymarin160 mg + 3x/day
Evening primrose oil1300 mg 2x/day
Alpha lipoic acid100 to 200 mg 3x/day
Glycyrrhizinate Forte1 capsule 3x/day
N-acetyl cysteine 600 mg 3x/day
Glutamine powder 2g to 12g 3x/day
(1 heaping teaspoon = 4 g, 1 hpg tablespoon = 12 grams)
Omega 3 fatty acids 2 to 3 capsules 3x/day
Lung Tan Xie GanChinese herb formula - as directed

Weight-Lifting

To optimize the anabolic effect of steroid it is important to lift heavy weights for about an hour 3 to 4 times per week and eat a high protein diet.


And there ya have it....!

Late

Lobo


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macrophage69alpha
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posted January 29, 2000 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
WARLOBO
I could not agree more
accept I would up the FLAX OIL to two table spoons a day- no one gets enough omega threes in their diet unless you live off of north atlanic fatty fish.
just my two cents
BTW- flax is oil is great for the skin- the problem with caps is that they are alot more likely to be rancid than the fresh bottled oil- which is why caps make some people break out.

A side benefit of Omega 3 is that they are weak mitochodrial uncouplers so they actually increase your metabolism.

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