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willsa
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted January 24, 2000 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for willsa     Edit/Delete Message
Most of the info I have gotten says 250mg/sust/wk is more than enough for a beginner.
Also 15-20mg/day/dbol with 200mg deca. Just curious on why the high mgs?
Would the above not give me enough gains in a 8 wk cycle?
Also if primo were available what would be the better cycle combo for my money?
I only want to do one cycle (8 wks) and then be off for a long time so I'm pretty much going by what suggestions I receive here.
Still have plenty of Andro and creatine left. Is it cool to take along with cycle?
Does 1cc of sust=250mg?
Thanks again for your help.

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scourge
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posted January 24, 2000 04:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message

Sorry for the vague reply willsa.
1cc is 250mgs for sustanon.
I suggested the higher mgs because this is your fist cycle and as such you can expect the greatest gains from this cycle.

Going a bit higher in the cycle I outlined should be fine if you put the clomid into the equation. ALthough keep some Novladex on hand just in case. But yes, most of the documented stacks say that 250mgs is ample for significant gains as a beginer.

Primo added to it would be fine, although it's terribly pricey and many sources get it infrequently enough to force the user to through it in ad hoc.

If you do get some Primo here's what I'd do with it...
Week__________Primo_________
1 1/2 cc
2 1/2 cc
3 1 cc
4 1 cc
5 1 cc
6 1/2 cc
7 1/2 cc
8 1/2 cc

As you can see I'm a big advocate for pyramiding your stacks. You could always simplify the above stack by making it a single cc across the boards.

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E2
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posted January 24, 2000 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2   Click Here to Email E2     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 54337564
I'd take a deca sust,

400mg deca and 500mg sust a week, on your first cycle and you should put on about 30 lbs

E2

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kpumpin
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posted January 24, 2000 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kpumpin     Edit/Delete Message
250mg a week of sust isnt going to give you the results you are probably looking for. You want levels that are well above what your endogenous levels are to support growth. It is right that your first cycle will be your most productive so make it count. It isnt like 500mg of sust a week is a boatload. I consider it the lowest dosage it should be used at. Go with 500mg per week and dont taper at the end. I would also use 300-400mg of deca a week. Have at least 21 50mg clomid tabs for the end in which you would use 100mg/day for a week, then 50mg/day for a week following the cycle.

kpumpin

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physcopump
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posted January 25, 2000 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for physcopump   Click Here to Email physcopump     Edit/Delete Message
all these posts give good advice, it's all been said. you want to hit it hard your first time but not overdo it. my first cycle started at 500mg/wk and i just went back on sunday (been off for about 4 months!)maxing at 1250mg/wk now. so as you can see the doses will more than likely increase everytime you go on. everyone's different also, it's tough to help design a cycle without knowing the person. good luck bud.

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