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willsa
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(Total posts: 4) 		posted January 24, 2000 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for willsa     Edit/Delete Message
Want to start my first cycle. Been a pretty steady lifter since highschool. About 4-5 days a week. One muscle per day. 28 yrs old, 5'11" 220lbs, medium size, larger on top with probably high body fat especially in the gut. Been off the beer for a while.

Anyway, been doing a lot of reading and it seems some sort of primo/sust/deca/d-bol combo is what first timers use. I would like to gain some lean muscle mass and size and keep the results without much in the side effects area. I've done the creatine/protein/andro products and pretty much wasted my money.

What sort of cycle would you recommend from the above and would I need to take any Novadex/Proviron/or Clomid when doing some kind of combo with the above? I don't want to mess myself up so your help would be greatly appreciated.

Lastly, which do you recommend for more research (Anabolic Advantage or the WAR)?

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physcopump
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(Total posts: 27) 		posted January 24, 2000 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for physcopump   Click Here to Email physcopump     Edit/Delete Message
primo's too expensive, i'd go with sust/dbol/deca, typical cycle would be 500mg/sust/wk, 25mg/dbol/day and pyramid the deca 200-400-200. always have nolvadex just in case and always finish with three weeks of clomid.

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scourge
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(Total posts: 27) 		posted January 24, 2000 02:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I'll address your last question first.
I would get both, although if its a money problem WAR would be my choice.


Second, can you afford a Sus/primo/deca stack for an 8-10 week cycle? I would personally opt to leave of the primo for now though. If you do that I'd suggest the following recipe.

Week Sustanon Deca Clomid
1 1cc 200mg
2 1cc 200mg
3 2cc 200mg
4 2cc 200mg
5 2cc 200mg
6 1cc 200mg
7 1cc 200mg
8 --- 200mg
9 --- --- 100mg/day
10 --- --- 50mg/day

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willsa
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(Total posts: 4) 		posted January 24, 2000 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for willsa     Edit/Delete Message
To physcopump/Scourge: Most of the info I have gotten says 250mg/sust/wk is more than enough for a beginner. Also 15-20mg/day/dbol with 200mg deca. Just curious on why the high mgs?
Would the above not give me enough gains in a 8 wk cycle?
Also if primo were available what would be the better cycle?
I only want to do one cycle (8 wks) and then be off for a long time so I'm pretty much going by what suggestions I receive here.
Still have plenty of Andro and creatine left. Is it cool to take along with cycle?
Thanks again for your help.


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