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The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 255)	posted January 22, 2000 08:41 PM If I use only Sus. 250 on a 8 to 10 week cycle, how much should be used? How often should I work out? Best diet for good gains! This board is GREAT!!!! The Ranger IP: Logged
charlieman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 38)	posted January 22, 2000 09:27 PM 500mg/week for eight weeks. Eat like a horse, with plenty of protien. Workout 3-4 days a week, limit the cardio. Get plenty of sleep, eat your wheaties, look both ways while crossing the street, etc. IP: Logged
The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 255)	posted January 22, 2000 10:24 PM Thanks Charlieman, Sounds good!! I just didn't want to overtrain(a bad habit of mine). As for the diet....even better, love to eat anyway!! Thanks again, The Ranger IP: Logged
BIZ Moderator (Total posts: 273)	posted January 23, 2000 12:21 AM IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST CYCLE SLAM THOSE RECEPTORS!!! 750 (3 SUS250'S) FIRST 3 WEEKS THAN BRING IT DOWN TO 2 SUS250'S A WEEK FOR THE DURATION...THROW IN SOME DBOL AND YOUR ON YOUR WAY! KEEP REPS LOW 8, 6, 4, 2, HEAVY WEIGHT, NICE CLEAN DIET LOW FATS, EAT AS MUCH AS YOU WANT!....... BIZ! IP: Logged
The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 255)	posted January 23, 2000 01:00 AM Thanks Biz, Should I use any protection? Nolvadex etc??? Your the man, The Ranger IP: Logged
BIZ Moderator (Total posts: 273)	posted January 23, 2000 09:46 AM RANGER THINK AS NOLVA AS A CONDOM BRO ALWAYS HAVE SOME IN CASE!!!!! BIZ! IP: Logged
musclecunks unregistered (Total posts: 273)	posted January 23, 2000 11:35 AM BIZ [This message has been edited by BIZ (edited January 23, 2000).] [This message has been edited by BIZ (edited January 23, 2000).] IP: Logged
The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 255)	posted January 23, 2000 01:15 PM Hey Biz, Thanks for the edit....wasn't necessary though, I already know about the shit-pig!!! Might help someone else though. The Ranger " Sua Sponte" IP: Logged
HardCory Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 48)	posted January 24, 2000 11:57 AM well, how much is really a question that is going 6to be different for everybody, for example i think biz recommened 500mg/wk, which for me would likely cause a loss of muscle... what do you wiegh? bf%? how long have you juiced? ------------------ Cory 300lbs or death IP: Logged
E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 867)	posted January 24, 2000 12:05 PM BIZ is right 750 week E2 IP: Logged
cuerpudo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 18)	posted January 24, 2000 12:36 PM I think almost all of the guys that answer you are a bit missinformed. First of all, the protein is very important in your bulk cycle, but the water and complex carbs has the equal importance than protein. If this is your first cycle i strongly recomend you that try 250 a week for 8 weeks only, to see how your body react to the drug, water retention, secondary efects like acne, liver or kidney toxycity, testicular shrinking, blood preasure, etc. If you haven�t any problem with that, after 2 months off, you can play with the dosage, 1 and 2 week of 250 mg, 3 and 4 500 mg, 5 and 6 of 250 mg. another example is : 1 week of 250, 2 week of 500, 3 week of 750, 4 week 500 and 6 week 250. Be care with the food, especially with that food that contein high amounts of sodio, sustanon is a water retention steroid if you don�t do the right diet. Try to avoid fat food. Train with H.I.T or Heavy Duty Or SuperSlow PROTOCOLS. ------------------ Hi, i would like to share my experience and knowledge with you, and, of course, learn from your experience and knowledge of bodybuilding, make contacts and friends. IP: Logged
kbar Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 24)	posted January 24, 2000 01:06 PM In my opinion, anything less than 500mg/week is a waste. A 6 week cycle of 250mg/week gave minimal results for first cycle of A.S. I saw better gains with creatine. I think lower reps (8 or less on heavy sets) would have also worked better. IP: Logged
The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 255)	posted January 24, 2000 01:11 PM Thanks to all for the info. that's what makes this board so good! I haven't done the high percentage supplements in a while 10yrs or so. Just feel it's time to play with the big boys again!! Back in the day, I didn't have too many side affects...maybe just lucky? I'm 36yrs. old 6'3 220. Body fat...don't know? But there's nothing on my body soft...WELL...maybe 1 thing, but not all the time. I maintain a good diet year round. Thanks again, I'll keep the board posted, The Ranger IP: Logged
MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 204)	posted January 24, 2000 01:50 PM Ranger, Are you hiding that SUS 250 in your black beret? Or are your Ranger-ing days over? I got enormous gains from 500 mg/wk, and all I did was squat/bench/deadlift. Also I ate and ate and ate and ate.....kind of like after Ranger graduation. Later Matt PS which BN? I was 2nd and Regt. Staff IP: Logged
MR 250 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20)	posted January 24, 2000 02:08 PM SORRY GUYS, BUT CUERPUDO IS RIGHT, ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG. MY FIRST CYCLE I TOOK 32, 250'S OVER 10 WEEKS! I GAINED 25 POUNDS, AND LOOKED EXCELLENT. I HAVE A FRIEND WHO TOOK 10 AMPS OVER 10 WEEKS, AND GAINED 25 POUNDS AND LOOKED EVERY BIT AS GOOD. USE THEM RIGHT, AND WORK OUT RIGHT. NO NEED TO OVER DO IT. YOUR RECEPTORS WILL USE 250MG THE SAME AS IT WILL USE 750. YOUR BODY IS NOT A BOTTOMLESS WELL, IT CAN ONLY PUT SO MUCH INTO USE, THE REST IS JUST THROWING YOUR MONEY AWAY... IP: Logged
The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 255)	posted January 24, 2000 03:41 PM Hey Matt, I'm sorry man but I have to break your balls a little. Reg. Staff does that mean you were a jeep driver for a no nothing Bat. Com.....Ha! Ha! Just kidd'in man. I'll e-mail you and we'll talk death and destruction....besides I'm hungry!!!! Thanks again to everyone for the imput!! The Ranger IP: Logged
HardCory Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 48)	posted January 24, 2000 04:28 PM ok, i am not sure i understand what type of sus 250 gave you 25lbs of 'muscle' in 10 weeks but to be quite honest i been doing this awhile and that is complete crap. sorry. i have never in my life heard of someone gaining a solid 25lbs, beginer or not, from one amp of sust per week. and the point i was making earlier is that if you wiegh 290lbs at 8%bf it will take quite a larger dose of any type of AAS to get gains than it would for someone who is say 180lbs at 8%...ok so that is the reason i was trying to clarify the wieght and experiece of the person in question there is no set amount of wieght you will gain by using a cerian type of drug at any dose. ------------------ Cory 300lbs or death IP: Logged
BIZ Moderator (Total posts: 273)	posted January 24, 2000 10:41 PM BRO (MR. 250) IF SOME ONE GAINED 25 POUNDS ON 1 AMP OF SUS250 A WEEK THAN THEY HAVE DAMN GOOD GENITICS BUT TO SAY THAT YOU WASTE 750 A WEEK IS NOT A CORRECT STATEMENT...SUS250 IS NOT VIT C TABS BRO YOU DO NOT JUST PISS IT OUT.... SOME PEOPLE I KNOW PUMPED 500 MLGS OF SUS250 OF THE SAME I POUNDED WITH MINIMAL RESPONSE AND I DID REAL WELL...HIS SECOND CYCLE 750 FOR 3 WEEKS WITH A DRAMATIS STRENGTH INCREASE...... IF YOU READ MY THEORY ON HOW STERIODS WORK..AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY EVERYONE HAS A THEORY ON THIS IF NOT WE WOULD ALL BE GIANTS (BY THE WAY THIS IS NOT A FLAME IF IT SOUNDS LIKE ONE)YU WILL SEE WHERE I GET SLAMMING RECEPTORS FROM...VERY BOLD STATEMENT TO SAY WE ARE ALL WRONG BRO...I WOULD RETHINK THAT! WITH RESPECT, BIZ! ------------------ GET BIG BRO'S! IP: Logged
CRYPTONITE Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 171)	posted January 24, 2000 10:44 PM I'M WITH BIZ BUT IN THE MIDDLE MAYBE GO UP TO 1000MGS! ------------------ CRYPTONITE IP: Logged
BIZ Moderator (Total posts: 273)	posted January 24, 2000 10:47 PM THIS IS A THEORY THAT I AGREE WITH 100% MANY MAY DISAGREE BUT YOU ASKED FOR MY SUGGESTION. I WAS TAUGHT THIS AND FOLLOW THIS TILL THIS DAY WITH VERY GOOD GAINES... THEORY: EVERY KIND OF STEROID AFFECTS A DIFFERENT RECEPTOR. SO STARTING WITH THE MAX DOSE IS VERY EFFECTIVE FOR SATURATING THEM WHEN THEY ARE FRESH. THEN LOWER THE DOSAGE AS YOU GO ON WITH THE CYCLE. IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME THAN TO START LOW, THEN BUILD UP, AND THEN GO LOW AGAIN. BECAUSE YOUR RECEPTORS ADAPT TO THE GEAR. WHEN YOU START WITH THE MAX DOSE AND WORK DOWN FORM THERE YOU ARE REALLY TAPERING OFF OF THE DRUG AND CRASHES CAN BE MINIMIZED THIS WAY. DRUGS LIKE TEST,DBOL,ANADROL ARE HIGHLY ANDROGENIC AND LOW ANABOLIC. SO IT MAKES SENSE TO "SOLIDIFY" THESE WITH THE ANABOLICS(DECA, EQ , PRIMO,). LETS SAY YOU DO A CYCLE OF DECA. YOU ARE ABLE TO KEEP MOST FOR YOUR GAINS BECAUSE OF THE LOW WATER RETENTION. NOW IF YOU DID A CYCLE OF A50 YOU WOULD LOSE MOST OF YOU GAINS BECAUSE OF THE HIGH AMOUNT OF WATER RETENTION. SO BY USING THE HIGH ANDROGENS IN THE BEGINNING OF THE CYCLE AND THEN FINISHING WITH THE ANABOLICS YOU HIT FRESH RECEPTORS BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN DRUGS=NEW GROWTH! SO REALISTICALLY YOU WONT LOSE ANY MUSCLE BUT YOU WILL LOSE SOME WATER. RESPECTFULLY, BIZ! ------------------ GET BIG BRO'S! IP: Logged
300 kleen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 156)	posted January 24, 2000 10:54 PM Yummy...sus... 300 ------------------ www.angelfire.com/pokemon/gear IP: Logged
macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 568)	posted January 24, 2000 11:49 PM first I would like to make clear the no one gains 25lbs off of sus 250 in 10 weeks, especialy on one ampule per week. if you did gain 25lbs you are holding a lot of water and are probably considerably fatter. if you did gain 25lbs of muscle on such a cycle then you are a genetic freak and well on your way to the MR. O. but somehow I doubt it. as to BIZ's comments Though I agree with the higher dosage parameters any where from 500-1000mgs per week. and I believe in starting high. THERE IS ABOSULUTELY NEVER ANY REASON TO TAPER. KEEP THE DOSES HIGH MOVING TO NON AROMATICS (trenbolone preferred) OR ORALS AT THE END OF THE CYCLE. IDEALLY IN ANY CYCLE OF WORTH CLOMID SHOULD BE USED THROUGHOUT AND FOR TWO WEEKS FOLLOWING THE END OF ANABOLICS IN YOUR BODY, THIS IS NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH YOUR LAST INJECTION, WHICH WITH SUST WILL TEND TO LINGER IN YOUR BODY FOR UP TO A MONTH, all the while suppressing your natural test production. Hcg may be used but should be used in the middle of the cycle to keep down nut shrinkage and since it is the middle of your cycle you wont have to worry as much about the increased aromatization that inevitabley accompanies hcg usage. Using a taper means using less gear which means less results on a body that is already holding more muscle than nature intended- this is just extra time to suppress gonadal functions. KEEP DOSES HIGH AND THE STOP COLD. keep the clomid going and mabye throw in some tribulus- it could not hurt. ------------------ MP IP: Logged
MR 250 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20)	posted January 25, 2000 03:01 AM HEY GUYS, I AM NOT FOOLING ANYONE. I GAINED 25LBS. AND I NEVER DID SAY IT WAS SOLID MUSCLE, SO WHOEVER ADDED THAT PART CAN FUCK THEMSELVES. OF COURSE I HAD WATER RETENTION, AND OF COURSE I HAD PROBABLY GAINED A LITTLE FAT, BUT I LOOKED VERY GOOD AT THE END OF THE CYCLE COMPARED TO WHEN I BEGAN. I HAD LESS THAN 8% BODY FAT NATURALLY(HIGH METABOLISM), AND I NEVER HAVE MEASURED SINCE THEN, BUT I AM NO FAT ASS. JUST A LITTLE IN THE TUMMY AND LOVE HANDLES. MY FRIEND, HE'S THE SAME WAY. LOW BODYFAT, HIGH GAINS. TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IT WAS BOTH OUR FIRST CYCLES, AND YES, WATER RETENTION, FAT GAIN, BUT PLEASE DONT TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM ME, I DID GAIN A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MUSCLE. SORRY IF I DIDNT MAKE MYSELF CLEAR, BELIEVE ME, I AM NOT TRYING TO PULL THE FLEECE OVER ANYONES EYES... IP: Logged
MR 250 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20)	posted January 25, 2000 03:18 AM OH YEAH, I LOST 5 POUNDS IN THE THREE WEEKS THAT FOLLOWED, SO I HAD GAINED 20. AND THE LAST FEW MONTHS, I HAVE REALLY CLEANED UP MY DIET, SO I HAVE TAKEN 5 MORE OFF. AND YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU DO NOT PISS IT OUT LIKE VITAMIN C, BUT YOU CANNOT USE EVERY DROP YOU THROW INTO YOUR BODY, OTHERWISE YOU WOULDNT EXPERIENCE GYNO, WHICH OCCURS WHEN YOUR BODY TURNS EXCESS TEST INTO EST. IP: Logged
MR 250 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20)	posted January 25, 2000 03:19 AM OH YEAH, I LOST 5 POUNDS IN THE THREE WEEKS THAT FOLLOWED, SO I HAD GAINED 20. AND THE LAST FEW MONTHS, I HAVE REALLY CLEANED UP MY DIET, SO I HAVE TAKEN 5 MORE OFF. AND YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU DO NOT PISS IT OUT LIKE VITAMIN C, BUT YOU CANNOT USE EVERY DROP YOU THROW INTO YOUR BODY, OTHERWISE YOU WOULDNT EXPERIENCE GYNO, WHICH OCCURS WHEN YOUR BODY TURNS EXCESS TEST INTO EST. AFTER A WHILE, YOUR BODY WILL EVENTUALLY NOT NEED MORE. IP: Logged
macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 568)	posted January 25, 2000 03:47 AM MR 250 i would like to say the 15 lbs of muscle is very repectable for a first cycle, though you may still have more fat than when you started, remember even if your body fat percentage stays the same you have gained more fat. ie 8% at 200 is 16lbs of fat, where as 8% at 220 is 17.6lbs of fat. I dont rcall what your starting an finishing wiehts were these numbers are examples only. these may seem like minutae but when you take them into account your 15lbs becomes 13lbs- not a criticism but it is important to be a accurate as possible otherwise you may discourage others who do not see such results. As to the fact that your friend gained the same off of less, well maybe he has better genetics maybe he ate differently or trained differently, maybe he slept more, maybe he has more intramuscular fat storage making him look bigger. These are just a few explanations there are considerably more possibilities. you are correct that your body turns excess test into estrogen. This does not mean that excess test is not more effective to the contrary, the human body is a homeostatic system it does not like change it wants to stay the same. When you start adding 1000 mgs a week of test sure your body will produce more estrogen, such high level of gear tend to raise aromatase levels. SO WHAT? just take anti estrogens, preferably clomid. Or if you have the cash take arimidex or cytadren, preferably arimidex- it REALLY works. remember that even at 200mg of test you get conversion, it is always there. even you own natural test production 4-9mg per day some is converted to estrogen and in older men and some genetically disposed individuals the bodies high production of aromatase leads to gyno even with out external test. even if upregulation of aromatase does not occur you will get more estrogen because there is just more test floating around, though the difference between 600mg and 1g it is not really noticable, unless of course you are prone to gyno. More gear , usually though not always, means more growth. IP: Logged
macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 568)	posted January 25, 2000 03:47 AM MR 250 i would like to say the 15 lbs of muscle is very repectable for a first cycle, though you may still have more fat than when you started, remember even if your body fat percentage stays the same you have gained more fat. ie 8% at 200 is 16lbs of fat, where as 8% at 220 is 17.6lbs of fat. I dont rcall what your starting an finishing wiehts were these numbers are examples only. these may seem like minutae but when you take them into account your 15lbs becomes 13lbs- not a criticism but it is important to be a accurate as possible otherwise you may discourage others who do not see such results. As to the fact that your friend gained the same off of less, well maybe he has better genetics maybe he ate differently or trained differently, maybe he slept more, maybe he has more intramuscular fat storage making him look bigger. These are just a few explanations there are considerably more possibilities. you are correct that your body turns excess test into estrogen. This does not mean that excess test is not more effective to the contrary, the human body is a homeostatic system it does not like change it wants to stay the same. When you start adding 1000 mgs a week of test sure your body will produce more estrogen, such high level of gear tend to raise aromatase levels. SO WHAT? just take anti estrogens, preferably clomid. Or if you have the cash take arimidex or cytadren, preferably arimidex- it REALLY works. remember that even at 200mg of test you get conversion, it is always there. even you own natural test production 4-9mg per day some is converted to estrogen and in older men and some genetically disposed individuals the bodies high production of aromatase leads to gyno even with out external test. even if upregulation of aromatase does not occur you will get more estrogen because there is just more test floating around, though the difference between 600mg and 1g it is not really noticable, unless of course you are prone to gyno. More gear , usually though not always, means more growth. ------------------ MP IP: Logged
macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 568)	posted January 25, 2000 03:47 AM MR 250 i would like to say the 15 lbs of muscle is very repectable for a first cycle, though you may still have more fat than when you started, remember even if your body fat percentage stays the same you have gained more fat. ie 8% at 200 is 16lbs of fat, where as 8% at 220 is 17.6lbs of fat. I dont rcall what your starting an finishing wiehts were these numbers are examples only. these may seem like minutae but when you take them into account your 15lbs becomes 13lbs- not a criticism but it is important to be a accurate as possible otherwise you may discourage others who do not see such results. As to the fact that your friend gained the same off of less, well maybe he has better genetics maybe he ate differently or trained differently, maybe he slept more, maybe he has more intramuscular fat storage making him look bigger. These are just a few explanations there are considerably more possibilities. you are correct that your body turns excess test into estrogen. This does not mean that excess test is not more effective to the contrary, the human body is a homeostatic system it does not like change it wants to stay the same. When you start adding 1000 mgs a week of test sure your body will produce more estrogen, such high level of gear tend to raise aromatase levels. SO WHAT? just take anti estrogens, preferably clomid. Or if you have the cash take arimidex or cytadren, preferably arimidex- it REALLY works. remember that even at 200mg of test you get conversion, it is always there. even you own natural test production 4-9mg per day some is converted to estrogen and in older men and some genetically disposed individuals the bodies high production of aromatase leads to gyno even with out external test. even if upregulation of aromatase does not occur you will get more estrogen because there is just more test floating around, though the difference between 600mg and 1g it is not really noticable, unless of course you are prone to gyno. More gear , usually though not always, means more growth. ------------------ MP IP: Logged
macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 568)	posted January 25, 2000 03:50 AM whoops sorry about the two extra posts I double clicked on submit and then used stop and submit again. I will not be offended if the moderator erased my extra replies in fact I would be grateful since I do not know how to do it myself, if thats even possible on this board. IP: Logged

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