That is: We are all hypocrites and racists. Every single one of us whether we like to admit it or not we are.

We are always professing how wonderful we are, how well we treat our women or men.

We believe in ourselves so much that we speak out against breaking the law, yet we do it ourselfs daily, everytime we take a shot, swallow a pill, pay for supplies and on.

We differentiate between bad crimes and not so bad crimes (this is valid, especially for determining the punishment) yet in reality we have only committed one crime we did not obey the law.

We to this day differentiate between color of skin, as a form of social status and intelligence, oh he is black, she is asian, he is white, we use these labels to get more money, more "things" from life without the hardwork and sacrifice that goes with earning those things.

So, is there anyone on this planet or Universe that is truly not racist or biased at all? Yes, there is,

It is a newborn child. Have you ever watched an infant? That child does not care if you are old or young, black or white, male or female, Jewish or Muslem, etc. All that child cares about is you! All that child asks for is that you love him/her and in return for this, the child gives you back unconditional love.

I sat at a restaraunt last night waiting for a table and watched an infant as it was played with, the little baby smiled and laughed and giggled and made me smile. I thought to myself, what a perfect human being in such an imperfect world. That little child was happy because it did not know hate or fear or jealousy or racism and on.

So, is there hope for the human race? Not a chance. Because of certain people and groups and ideologies and so forth, that little innocent child will grow to learn prejudice and racism and hate and anger along with alot of other useless emotions.

The one true emotion that does not have to be taught is unconditional love and sacrifice. Yet it is this one emotion that will be lost forever due to our inability and ineptness to not develop the undesired emotions.

How many of us hate Islamics because we have to see their asshole leader Farrakhan on TV bitching about white people all the time?

How many of us hate blacks because every time a black person is fired or hurt we get Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton bitching about how "the man" did this to them?

OJ kills 2 white people and every black person they put on TV wanted this man to be released. Why? Because it was black vs. white and if the black man was convicted it would've been because white people are racist. Why didn't the news ever show black people that DID think he was guilty? Why did they only show white people that DID think he was guilty?

How come we never hear about black cops shooting black civilians? How come we never hear about black cops using excessive force against white civilians? Does it not happen? I have to believe that it does happen. The reason we never hear about it is because it doesn't sell papers. It doesn't give the news ratings.

How come Pete Carroll, a white head coach, can be fired by the Patriots after getting them to the playoffs two years in a row and nobody cares. However, a day later Ray Rhodes, a black coach, is fired by a team after they failed to amke the playoffs, after being there the previous several years, and Jesse Jackson is on the news wanting the NFL to investigate "racism"?

It's all about ratings. The executives don't care if they're protraying a bad image- they just care about ratings.

The worst part comes when you DO share your beliefs and prejudices along with your reasons for having them. Once people see the logic behind your thoughts, they either flame you some more or ignore you.

Let me just say, if I don't like you, it's not because you're black, white, asian, gay, jewish, or anything like that. IT'S BECAUSE YOU DO THINGS THAT CAUSE ME NOT TO LIKE YOU! Live with it and quit insulting me.

Mr. H, I totally understand what you are saying. Myself graduating from a High School. In the south, that was 16% White out of 625 kids. I have developed some prejuidices, not to anyone particular race just the people that piss me off...

little kids hate everything but, food, toys and shitting in there pants!!!

just because i hate a black guy or an east indian, or an asian doesnt mean i'm racist. it means that one guy pisses me off and i dont like that one person. it has nothing to do with race or religion.

if saying the shit u said makes u feel better about yourself and the way u feel, so be it. but dont give me the children are our future because their so innocent. it's the individual and how he or she functions under stress and problems that may arise, that make them who they r. kids havent done shit so why would they have an opinion?

i say fuck the children, fuck old people, and fuck u for your stupid ass opinion on racism and why you have become what u r.
everyone, young or old has a choice. just make the right one and take some responsability for your actions and opinions.

ok, i'm done.
sorry.

Keep in mind the difference between racism and ethnocentrism.

racism is believing your race is superior to another and as such should rule the inferior race.

The meek shall inherit the shit, no matter what color, what religion, or what they wear, or who they have sex with!!!

I think America has become a weak, semi-Socialist state, and that has made us all admire the bed-wetting liberal attitudes that were once thrashed and laughed at by true Americans, who had more courage and heart than any of us could ever imagine!!!

I'm pro-America, pro-Capitalism, and pro-I'M BETTER THAN YOU 'CAUSE I BELIEVE I AM, not do to race, creed, or any other arbitrary concept! I'M BETTER THAN YOU because I believe I am, know I am, and know that I will always have the desire and discipline to better myself, in the gym, in school, in my jobs, with my family, and spiritually!!!

SO TAKE YOUR DAMN COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST/COLLECTIVIST/PANSY-ASS IDEAS AND MOVE TO CUBA...

Hope I pushed some buttons, 'cause that's what I'm trying to do!

I think now more than ever, we need to think back about what this country was founded on, and what could bring it back to it's former GLORY!!!

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this is not a valid argument because babys dont feel emotions.read your post you said that your self.
it is also wrong to say newborns give back unconditional love what do they do that shows you they feel emotions?
ofcourse a baby wouldnt judge someone for being muslim,jewish,black,etc...a baby isnt mentally capable to distinguish between anybodys culture.it isnt innocence it is lack of ability.
now ofcourse we can condition our children against racism but forcing someone to love is the same idea as forcing someone to hate in both cass the persons ideals are being shaped by an outside force,that proves that love does not come naturally.i believe racism is a natural defense mechanism that is beyond our control.it is a way for us to classify ourselves in groups for reproduction and safety.we trust what we know,and we naturally fear uncertainty.
racism lies beyond black,white,jewish,muslim.
it is deeper than that,you might be shocked to know that it even exist between the same race.its not only an issue of race mind you it is also an issue of beauty.
any way this issue is getting lame,what else is on your mind?

and your country was built by black and asian slaves who were fucked over left and right to give u a land for the brave and free.

how the fuck u figured your brave and or free for doing these things is beyond me.

do u know one black guy who was givin 40 acres and a mule? ( a cheap ass aggrement if u ask me for lives lost and familys destroyed )

your country has become what u made it. a piece of social filth that needs a drastic overhall of leadership and goverment.

and fuck u for your country ever trying to take credit for humanitary advancements. any and all u have done for humanity has been for greater power for yourself in the long run and that is it.

eat 2 bags of shit and call me in the morning fucktard!!!

the ass wipe has spoken...but could u hear him?

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"There is no shame in losing...Only winning without honor."

- Kwai-Chang Caine

That is of course until any of you 3rd world nations, Canada included, need some help.

And no he doesn't know any of the people who got 40 acres and a mule- but do you know any of the people who owned slaves?

Is that the biggest knock anyone has against America? Some shit that happened 500-1000 years ago? Well than, I'd say we're doing pretty damn good.

This shit is still going on in other countries-

American boats are geting blown up, embassies getting attacked and innocent people who are trying to HELP out other countries are getting killed- and who the fuck is helping us?

I did not say that newborns do not feel any emotion I said they feel only one that is love.

I stated racism and bias, both are valid. Have you ever heard a two year old call a black man a nigger or a jew a kike? I think not.

To not be biased, racist or anything else like that is not being socialist or communist.

Buttons pushed? Not really, but I think I pushed some.

You are wrong on babies there tyler, they are taught by us the adults about who to dislike and like. It is us the adults and our beliefs that teach them how to feel. You do not have to teach a child how to love, it already knows. It is innocent until we the adults remove that innocense.

Badkins, I must say your upity today. You say your for a pure capitalist world, great, so am I. You even say that it does not matter to you about race, creed, sex and so on, yet you say that the very idea of not having racism and such is a socialist and communist idea and that I or anyone who believe in this should move out of the country. Well, I am surprised You have a contridiction or paradox in your own words.

Okay people, why are we getting so violent, I made a statement, not meant to be fact or fiction, just a statement. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, I don't really care if you do or not.

the u.s. thinks there the be all end all, and thats just fucked up.

the u.s. is power hungry and tweaked.

sorry, but sometimes the truth hurts.

In one particular case when the UN was floundering and had no way of retreating without losing and causing the collapse of the UN, they asked the US to help them. And we reluctently did.

Who supplies the free world with most of its arms to defend itself from outside aggression the US.

Who gives money in the form of aid to over half the world? The US.

How much money does Canada give Russia or Ethiopia? How much help does England give to India or Pakistan? How much does Canada give in aid to Israel or the US?

Canada also has a Province Quebec where the governor of that place or whatever he is called Bushard (sp) who is doing his damndest to succeed from the rest of Canada. He wants you to speak only French, and there are laws to ensure that this is so. They have language police to ensure compliance.

I have a friend who grew up in Victoria and tells me of tribunals where people are brought before them if they speak out against the gov't including journilists and others? What gives with that.

Like I said, I'm an avid Objectivist. I don't believe America should EVER get involved in foriegn disputes unless our interest is there...I would like to see how the Kuwaties, or the Serbs feel about America today...

To whoever said I had a paradox, I guess I didn't phrase things correctly...I do believe in PURE, LAISSEZ-FAIRE CAPITALISM, with an EXTREMELY LIMITED GOVERNMENT...in a Capitalist state, racism COULD NOT exist, because the irrational would not "survive" financially, or even physically, not because of force, but because of lack of resources!

I'll stand my ground that I love America, and I'll also state that if we'd go back to our former values and beliefs, we'd even be stronger!

You say that everything we do is to gain power, I SAY HELL YES!!

Damn I hate this weak-ass liberal bullshit! Do you even have a heart, a brain, any desire to become great???

I too am a pure capitalist and if I have no money to retire on it is my fault and not the gov't responsibility to feed and house me.

I have a question. You refer to caucasions as whites, German-Americans or European-Americans, just as whites. And when speaking of a black people you refer to them as African-Americans not black. Why?

Are we not all Americans? African-American is a politically correct phrase that I and a lot of my black friends detest.
If you are born here you are American period! American is the term used to mean all races.

The more we continue to differentiate between this race and that such as using the label African-American we will be in trouble. Let's face it, you are an American, not an African who happens to live in the US.

Why is the whole damned country afraid to say black?

Move to Europe, they invented slavery, nuked 6 1/2 million people because they were different. Use inbreeding to perpetuate the line of the Nobels (kings and queens), Everything is paid for by the gov't, you can't speak your mind without fear of being investigated. And that whole damned continent is constanlty asking the US for handouts.

What is it that makes us a Communist country. With that last statement I am glad that you are not teaching my kids. What an intelligent reply to a question to you Whatever. I shouldn't have expected so much.

I still don't understand the Communist thing.

Germans just wiped out every Jew they could find because they were different, and that was only 50 years ago- when we all DID know better.

i find nothing wrong with slavery...if you are so dumb or weak or unable to organize yourself that you do shit for me for free...hahahaah...keep doing it or i will kill you...

exploitation is the name of the game...

How the country treated the blacks was bad .
But what the country did to the Native American race was horrendous.
You made a coment about the Holocaust of 6.5million Jews in Europe.Did you not learn of the Holocaust in our own country by our govt.Do you know how many died?And who were left were sent to relocation camps.

I guess not since you are not sure whose fault it was because you don't know who fired the first shot.(classic USMC thought process,case in point)Please get real, learn some American history.,before you try and bash Europe.Possibly from a non-bias periodical.
You are the first to think" Oh all those poor Jews ,Hitler must be distroyed."
But what about the US military's actions that you so proudly stand amongest.

It wasn't someone from here that "discovered" this country- blame Columbus and his European friends for that as well as slavery.

eat a cats ass and think of your mom's cunny u prick!

That last statement I made meant "the killing happened in America, but Americans weren't the ones doing the killing"-

Learn how to read jackass.

As for typical Marine thinking, listen up, you better go back to school and learn history yourself!

America is not communist, nor have I been brainwashed, by your very comments you are afraid to discuss your opinions for fear of being wrong.

You are very bitter inside and I suspect it is because of some preconieved injustice done to your ancestors and you are blaming white people for that.

The slavery was not started by the "white" man. The Spanish came over and wiped out whole civilizations in Mexico and what is now Southwest USA, the French came over and used the Indians to further their cause, and I believe it was the Portugues who were doing most of the slave trading and bringing them over to the US.

I pretty much agree with everything chesty said as the thread goes down. I, too, LIKE I'VE SAID, love America! I think we have the most liberty, the most individual rights (even today when Socialism--meaing welfare, social security, medicare, and medicaid--is peeking its ugly head)!!

I like TEXASSAMM'S thinking, if you don't like America...LEAVE! That's just like a job, don't fucking complain, quit and find another one!!

chesty, have you ever read any Ayn Rand, esp. 'Atlas Shrugged??'

and chesty,
u admit to having a marine way of thinking, so from here on in everything u write will be read like so,"baaaa baaaa baaa baa baaaaa",because your a sheep an obviously have no independent thought process and need someone to leed u down a path in life.

i totally understand how the indians fought each other and took slaves and how others also came to north america who were not "white", to try and concure, but how can u sit there and think its ok? thousands killed because of something U (north americans) wanted?

i guess u must have no problem with what hitler did either huh? i mean its just survival of the fitest isnt it?

(god my spelling is utter gash!!!! sorry about that)

Ass person, Being Jewish as well I take great offense at your insult about me having no problem with Hitler. I'll say it one more time. There was a war, they lost other's won. End of story. By the way where did all the Canadians come from? I think some Frenchies founded Quebec.

I wish you could spell ass person.

it's great marines are such free thinkers. it's great how u were TAUGHT to be this way. its great u can all work independently when your TOLD to.

oh and ayn rand and her books and ideas are garbage. so is mike mentzer for sucking her tits like a child, strung on every word she says.

i'm sorry if the hitler comment offended u chesty, honestly.

it's just an example that refers to your way of thinking,(survival of the fitest), and i thought u could understand and handle it,...guess not.

my question, if u are jewish, is why do u love america so much, when they sat back and let the holocost happen, until they saw fit to get involved. which was done only in fear of being invaded, not because it was the right thing to do?
now u have to agree with me on that one. anyone who studies history knows the u.s. didnt give 2 shits about what was happening to the people in camps. they only got involed to protect themselves, then gave themselve a pat on the back for a "job well done." and were looked as the saviors of the world.

i dunno, this whole america the home of the brave and the free is retarded to anyone who can think for themselves.

just my 2 cents.

Marines are not told to think independently they want free thinkers we are taught not to be mindless robots that blindly follow orders. We are taught discipline, honor and duty.

America as well as much of the rest of the world did not know about the Holocaust until we had pretty much conquered Germany. Read your history books. Yes, America wanted to stay out of it, it as not our business, but when the Japenese came in and murdered are men, woman and children on Dec 7, 1941, that changed the game. Someone with big enough balls fucked with us and we fought back. We took on the Goddamned world and won that fucking war. If it were not for us the whole of Europe would be under German control.

Yes I believe in survival of the fittest. That is how a species survives. What Hitler was doing was not survival of the fittest, it was just plain wrong it was murder. The concentration camps were havens for medical experiments from anything from hypothermia to injuries to the brain from gunshot wounds and the survivability rate. The Nazi's utilized every single part of the human anatomy to make money and furnish supplies, recycling the gold fillings in teeth to making soap.

I take offense at the statement of agreeing with Hitler. I can handle it quite well.

So tell me, why do you guys in Canada import American sperm? I heard it was because only 800 or so frenchies settled quebec and the gene pool is so depleted that you guys have a hard time procreating.

sorry i don't want to be all i can be.

and how do u figure the u.s. "didnt know" about millions being killed? it's not like it happened overnight.
they know if a hamster farted in the jungle for christs sake!!!
and if it was none of there bussiness and wanted to stay out of it, why r they so eager now to arm countries and then blow the shit out of them?

and how can u seperate what hitler did, which dont get me wrong i think was very very fucked up and unexplainable, from surival of the fitest? he conqured because of power, just like the u.s. does and will do in other wars.
u gotta get your head out of your ass and look around a bit bud. take those blinders off and look at everything 360 degress. wonder why things happen not just follow orders and believe everything your told. u and i both live in countries built on lies and social slavery of the lower class.(me and u)

wake the fuck up and smell the concrete chesty.

but on a lighter note, r u ready for your big move? excited? u have a new job already were your going? hope it all works out great for you.

Since the war the US has taken a more aggressive approach to world politics. In other words we have been expected by other countries to be the worlds police force to which I vehemetly object.

I do not blindly follow orders never have and never will. I lead by example and follow by example.

There are numerous documented cases where a patient in Canada needed heart surgery or other surgery and was put on a waiting list based on their social status and ended up dying while waiting. Those that could afford the surgery have come to the US to get that surgery because waiting assured death.

I don't like the thought anymore than you do, but it happens and it happens everywhere. Even in the US.

You seem to be bitter about the US and really have no idea about what or who US Marines are so on that topic I will discuss it no further with you (the Marines that is)

Yep, I move tomorrow will be offline till saturday.

hope u have a safe move bud, all arguments and name calling aside.

now go eat a bag of shit u dirty american comie nazi!!!

Let me start with my good friend, Mr. H.

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Originally posted by Mr. H:
Yes, asswipe, America fucking sucks.

That is of course until any of you 3rd world nations, Canada included, need some help.

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You need to get off the crack pipe (figuratively speaking) long enough to realize that the United Nations (which, by the way, is a puppet of the USA) has placed Canada consistently at #1 on the list of countries with the highest quality of life. The good 'ole USA barely makes it to the top 5.

Looks like you Americans need some help with all of that propaganda the government is flinging in your faces because you have been grossly misinformed.

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This has all been in good fun and no insult was intended. Just next time attack the person and not the whole country...or else...lol

BTW- I have a house in the States so I am not biased either way.

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Originally posted by chesty:
As a side note I hope you do not water down our history and make the founding fathers to be bad guys, because they owned slaves. That was a way of life then that we have outgrown for the most part.

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The founding fathers were the first landed aristocracy of the United States. They drafted the constitution to protect the rights of male Caucasian property owners. The laws were mainly written to give absolute power to property owners through extensive property rights.

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Originally posted by chesty:
Move to Europe, they invented slavery, nuked 6 1/2 million people because they were different...And that whole damned continent is constanlty asking the US for handouts.

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Actually the US is deeply indebted to Europe for outstanding loans. They used the "nuclear umbrella" to extort billions of dollars in loans at interest rates below the world standard rate (at the time of the loan). The "handouts" you speak of is actually accumulated interest!!!!! So, they have a right to ask for it!

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Originally posted by chesty:
America as well as much of the rest of the world did not know about the Holocaust until we had pretty much conquered Germany. Read your history books.

Actually the world knew what Hitler was doing from the day he published his book. Stalin is the only leader who took him seriously and they beat Germany for the USA.

We took on the Goddamned world and won that fucking war. If it were not for us the whole of Europe would be under German control.

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I believe there were many allies involved. The rest and preperation from the year 1939-1942 also helped.

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Originally posted by chesty:
There are numerous documented cases where a patient in Canada needed heart surgery or other surgery and was put on a waiting list based on their social status and ended up dying while waiting.

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Open-Heart sugery was performed in Canada long before it was used in the US. Let me see a medicade pateint get heart surgery in the USA faster than a person in Canada. I highly doubt it!

Enjoyed this thread and I will have to side with Chesty by a long shot. Capitalism is the only way to go- it unleashes creativity.

As far as slavery..it STILL exists in the middle east and Africa! Anyone who bitches at this great country for at once adopting slavery should have a check. America was one of the last countries to adopt Slavery and one of the first (outside of england) to get rid of it.

Mr. Roarke, good to hear it, bro! Drop me an e-mail, there are several guys and girls on this board that follow the Objectivist philosophy!

Asswipe, what parts of Ayn Rand's ideas, books, etc., do you disagree with (think is "complete garbage")???

2Thick, I agree, Medicaid is just another Socialist program that has driven ALL medical costs here through the roof!!

chesty, I think anyone who disrespects a Marine should attemp to go through 1 week of your training, which I hear is the toughest in all the military...I think Asswipe just might be a 'little' jealous of us BIGGER, BETTER, Americans...