Or you have no idea what I'm talking about?

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Some of histories greatest leaders and thinkers were divinely inspired. You show me what great contributions your atheist ass has made to civilization and then you can talk.

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"There is no shame in losing...Only winning without honor."

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Originally posted by Kwai-Chang Caine:
Hey Roidog!
That last post of yours had no class at all.

Some of histories greatest leaders and thinkers were divinely inspired. You show me what great contributions your atheist ass has made to civilization and then you can talk.

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Religion is man's ritualization of worship, nothing more. It is a human organization, and as such it is terribly flawed.

Christianity is the religion upon which I am most qualified to speak. Wherever you look, there are flaws. In the 1300s, the papacy was moved to France. Pope Alexander the 6th had 6 kids!! The crusades and Inquisition...and on we go.

Mormons - talk about an excuse by Joseph Smith to get laid a lot....they actually teach that God was a man who became exalted and as such was able to populate his own universe. The prophet in the Mormon church can arrange marriages....and they teach that Mormon women earn a higher place in heaven for bearing more children.....ridiculous.

The Catholic Church during world War 2 did nothing to combat he Nazi slaughters. As Jews were rounded up in Italy, the pope refused to intervene even when a German commander promised to release some prisoners if he moerely showed his face.

The pope trumped up some things about "personal safety"...wat kind of concern is that for the vicar of Christ?

Now Islam - I am not Muslim so I'll take it easy. But look at this shit in the Middle East - Arafat and those guys actually bus children into the war zone to be stone throwers and gain the world's support - as their parents encourage them to become martyrs.

And for what - Jerusalem IS NOT MENTIONED EVEN ONCE BY NAME IN THE KORAN. Mecca and Medina are mentioned 100s of times, yet Arafat can't stop saying "3rd holiest city in Islam".

The bottom line is, RELIGION is a mechnaism used by people to influence the behavior of other people.

Faith is entirely different. Faith is a belief in something and a personal decision to act in accordance with those beliefs. You can have faith in anything, or in people.

The difference is, FAITH is personal, and does not seek to influence others, except by setting an example.

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I believe the bible to be true, but some things in it are not meant to be taken literally, but more in a figurative since.

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That was who and what I was responding to BTW.

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Originally posted by Kwai-Chang Caine:
I don't recall saying that.
Actually, I know I didn't say that.
Read my post again dipshit.

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Originally posted by Blackop:
Roiddog...........Your an ass.
shut up.

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Originally posted by MattTheSkywalker:
RoidDog,

Are you mislabeling FAITH as RELIGION, or vice versa....I think maybe you are.

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I shouldn't have called you a dipshit, but I don't like people putting words into my mouth.

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Originally posted by Kwai-Chang Caine:
This is the second time you are trying to put words into my mouth Roidog.
What I am saying is that you talk alot of shit against people who "believe" for not being someone who has actually made a positive contribution to society yourself. From a sheer sociologic stand-point, you eat, sleep, breath, and just plain out exist in a world that has been sculpted from faith and religion. Don't you find it ironic that our current fucked up, liberal society is the one with the least attachment to religion. Just a thought. It's late so I'm not going to get into a heated intellectual sparring match with you right now, but I would be more than happy to another time. I know both sides of this coin very well because I am on one hand a sociology minor on the other I have faith in Christ.

I shouldn't have called you a dipshit, but I don't like people putting words into my mouth.

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In, 800, Charlemagne asked the Pope to make him Holy Roman Emperor....it is no coincidence he asked the pope.....we could cite examples here all night long.

Religion is power in the hands of men, another way of saying "imminent disaster". And history - even the present - proves this.

Religion has little to do with our nation's current state of affairs. Ultra-religious countries have it way worse than we do. How would you like to live in Iran? They still treat their women like shit. Or India - wouldn't it be great to be an "untouchable" (lowest class) in their rigid caste system because of religion?

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Originally posted by WODIN:
JEBUS IS GOINNA COME BACK AND OPEN A CAN OF WHOPE ASS!

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As for Islam. Dont judge it so harshly by the actions of Arafat and militants. You are seeing a skewed Eurocentric view. It like other countries judging christianity from the actions of David Koresh or the KKK (which are "good god fearing christians" by their own admission!)
Islamic arabs have a bad view of the USA for reasons the news wont report. Theyve been at war (ok ok, a silly war) with Isreal for generations, and the U.S. sends billions of dollars in military aid to Isreal every year.
(The friend of my enemy is my enemy.)

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It takes two to lie, Marge. One to lie and one to believe it.

You do not have to partake in any religion. To believe in GOD.

If you did, then I guess none of the chinese go to heaven. Budism.

I could've sworn back in August of 1995 it was supposed to?

Don't know if I'm thinking about Nostradamus or the bible- anyone?

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The Romans changed loads of the bible. They didnt like how the "turn the other cheek" and parts about being meek and never raising arms against another person stop them from warring and conquest. So they added "an eye for an eye" and imagined a slight was done to them by anyone they wanted to war with.

The bible was drastically changed during the Spanish Inquisition to allow "disbelievers" to be put to the Question.

The Catholic Church has a loooooong history of debauchery!
King John had forfieted large areas of Briton to the French (in order for the French king to keep King Richard imprisoned in Austria). After all this tumult had ended, years later, the English wanted that land back. The Popes army was among the largest standing armies of the day. He took his army and wiped out almost all man, women, and children in many of these French areas so that no one would be around to remember they had a Franch claim to the land. I believe it was Pope Pius the XIV, who himself was reknown for having father dozens of children (umm, celibacy?)

Monster - that point about bible manipulation - I'm 20 posts ahead of you.....nothing personal but how about reading teh comments already there so you don't waste your time rewording them?

RoidDog,

Believing without proof is called faith. I have addressed it at length already and clearly defined why it is different than religion and why it does not carry any of the stigma that religion does.

You're getting there. The more you read and study teh Bible, the more you will see how the church (any form of Christinaity) deviates more and more from their core beliefs.

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Originally posted by Monster:
Thats the problem with the bible. Throughout history, anyone in power who wanted things a certain way would change it to suit their needs.
King James changed the bible specifically to show incestuous relationships so he could marry his own mother to insure his acention to the throne over his older brother (who would have been the one to take the crown). By marrying his own mother, he made himself the legitimate heir to his own crown. And by changing the bible, he made the marriage recognized in the eyes of the church.

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Where is the reference for this? I have never heard of that one. The one I know of is printed below.

The problem I have with this statement is that the King James Bible, shows that incestuous relationships is bad and wrong, post Christ. Pre Christ around the time of the flood there is one instance that speaks of a father daughter deal where the father decided he did not want to get his daughter pregnant and spilled his "seed" on the ground and god got mad and killed him (old testement)

King James hired out scholors (sp) to research and determine what the true and original text was and where it came from. They found this text and determined its origin and then the thirteen scholors I believe proceeded with a direct translation of the text into english.

One point of interest is that the King James Bible has not had one correction to it ever in its entire existence. Whereas numerous other types have had corrections and reprints to correct errors in the writing.

One thing I have heard is that the Catholice use or used a version that had 5 extra books in it that talked about purgatory and the likes not found in the version the non-Catholics use.

I do not believe in god and believe the bible to be a significant work of history in recording the events of the past. But at one time I did and I studied alot, and I mean alot.

"I have realized that no matter what you do, no matter what you say, no matter times you go to God's house, It will never make any difference. Everyone is after their own belief. If you are an asshole, that is what you are. If you are kind, that is what you are."

I have been going to church regularly for the past two years. About three times a week. Its a United Pentecostal church. Anyway, what I have found is similar to what most of you have stated. Religion and Faith are two totally different things. Religion is just a tradition of men that is meant for its followers to "keep the faith". They, as an organization or denomination, cannot speak in the place of God.

A person can go to church all they want to and still be just as "lost" as anyone else. It all comes down to faith in God. The more you read your Bible and pray, the closer you will be to God, basically.

Right now I don't go to that church as much as I used to. I have basically "backslidden" as they call it. I still believe in God but question some of the fundamentals of religion if you will. It really sucks to have people who are "religous" backstab you and give you a holier than thou attitude. As I said, just because someone attends church does not make them a true christian. However, I believe it is a good idea to find a good pastor and allow him to minister to you.

Okay there's my two cents I guess, not bad for being only 16 hehe.

There are aliens who do this instead of a old man, or God.

Thats part of my take on things.

In the Bible Jesus is symbolic of the husband and the church is symbolic of the bride. We are basically "children" of the marriage of Jesus and the church, through baptism In Jesus name.

A woman who has children but is not married is known as a whore. The triune baptismal formula of the catholic church produces illigitimate children if you will. Therefore another way it can be tied with mystery babylon. Thats why its known as the great whore.

Again this is just something that I have learned. It does make a lot of sense. I'm not badmouthing the catholics I just wanted to show my findings.

Islamic arabs have a bad view of the USA for reasons the news wont report. Theyve been at war (ok ok, a silly war) with Isreal for generations, and the U.S. sends billions of dollars in military aid to Isreal every year.
(The friend of my enemy is my enemy.)

sorry monster but israel uses the money to build housing,expand its technology and yes weapons too.but i think it makes more sense for israel to recieve foreign help being that they are surrounded by arabs at every direction.
ww3 would start the day arafat gets his hands on billions of dollars he would use every penny of that to supply the plo,hezbolla,and hamas terrorist organizations.

i pity that day when it arrives.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son so that who ever belives in Him will not perish but have everlasting life".
-John 3:16

Did it say that you have to be perfect?
Did it say that you have to got to church?
Did it say that you have to be Baptist, Methodist, ect?
Did it say that you have to do 10,000 Good acts to go to heaven?

Just my 2 cents

Being baptized into the triune formula represents being as illigitimate children of the whore, mystery babylon...the false church.

God good to all, or just a few?
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

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War or Peace?
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

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Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

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Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it :
MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

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Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

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Which first--beasts or man?
GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

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The number of beasts in the ark
GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

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How many stalls and horsemen?
KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

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Is it folly to be wise or not?
PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that in- creaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1 Cor.1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and wil bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

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Human vs. ghostly impregnation
ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, ac- cording to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came togeth- er, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

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The sins of the father
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the chil- dren, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

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The bat is not a bird
LEV 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomina- tion: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
LEV 11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
LEV 11:15 Every raven after his kind;
LEV 11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
LEV 11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
LEV 11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
LEV 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapw- ing, and the bat.
DEU 14:11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat.
DEU 14:12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the ea- gle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
DEU 14:13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,
DEU 14:14 And every raven after his kind,
DEU 14:15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
DEU 14:16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,
DEU 14:17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cor- morant,
DEU 14:18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

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Rabbits do not chew their cud
LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
'Gerah', the term which appears in the MT means (chewed) cud, and also perhaps grain, or berry (also a 20th of a sheckel, but I think that we can agree that that is irrelevant here). It does *not* mean dung, and there is a perfectly adequate Hebrew word for that, which could have been used. Furthermore, the phrase translated 'chew the cud' in the KJV is more exactly 'bring up the cud'. Rabbits do not bring up anything; they let it go all the way through, then eat it again. The description given in Leviticus is inaccurate, and that's that. Rabbits do eat their own dung; they do not bring anything up and chew on it.

My mother was on her death bed and as I watched her pass away I never once asked "GOD" for help.