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posted December 12, 2000 07:28 PM

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how is spiking the ball to stop the clock not intentional grounding..?

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MP5

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posted December 12, 2000 07:28 PM

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Because the QB is in the pocket.


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JustinM

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posted December 12, 2000 07:41 PM

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good quesiton..but i have another..when he throws it down why isnt it a fumble??

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Natymike

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posted December 12, 2000 07:42 PM

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uhhh, not really MP5, the way to avoid intentional grouding is to get out of the pocket before you throw the ball away.

My guess is because the QB is not trying to avoid being sacked.

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posted December 12, 2000 07:43 PM

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Because it is a forward pass, thus it is incomplete.


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Slopain

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posted December 12, 2000 07:43 PM

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Because its an incomplete pass (spiking the ball).

I believe its if your IN the pocket you can spike it, if your out its grounding.

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posted December 12, 2000 07:45 PM

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It depends on if you are outside the lineup points for the tightend.


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Natymike

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posted December 12, 2000 07:47 PM

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All I know is, if you are in the pocket, and your about to be sacked, and you just throw the ball away not anywhere near a reciever, then it is intentional grounding.

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The Dude

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posted December 12, 2000 07:52 PM

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No, no, no. If you're between the tackles, it IS grounding. This is assuming there is no eligible receiver in the "area." If you're outside of the pocket, it is not grounding.

Stopping the clock by spiking the ball is something different entirely. Why? Because the rule book says the qb can receive the snap and throw the ball immediately into the ground to stop the clock. If he stands around first or backs up as if he is going to pass, then they will call grounding.

Spiking the ball to stop the clock is an exception to the grounding rule. Oh yeah, the grounding rules are different in the college game. I think that is still whether or not anyone is in the "area." It doesn't matter where the qb has moved.

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Natymike

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posted December 12, 2000 07:54 PM

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this is the best I could do with my research. LOL

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slickdadd

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posted December 12, 2000 08:11 PM

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Yeah. If your between the tackles its grounding unless there is a receiver in the area or your throw goes past to or past the line of scrimmage.


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posted December 13, 2000 03:14 AM

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The Dude explained it perfectly...nuff said


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madbomber31

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posted December 13, 2000 09:11 AM

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ya, the tight end box... outside the imaginary lines you can throw the ball anywhere and its legal, except behind the line of scrimmage... qb has to get teh ball to the line of scrimmage or it will be grounding. as for the stop clock play, an announcer was talking about that a few years ago, the nfl does not want games to end with a team who MIGHT have a chance to make it exciting but due to time dont get the opportunity. so they allow the spike... its a forward pass to whoever asked, now if the qb turned backwards and threw it down..... FUMBLE!!!!! pile up, turnover!!! eagles ball!!! eagles win the superbowl on a freak play!!! oh, sorry....


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posted December 13, 2000 12:35 PM

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ok, follow up question: if the QB were to snap the ball, then one of his O-linemen would run up the field (an ineligble reciever), and no other reciever would be near the o-lineman, and the QB throws it to him, he doesn't catch it, though (falls at his feet)...the QB was in the pocket, would it be intentional grounding, since the o-lineman was an ineligble reciever...?

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posted December 13, 2000 12:53 PM

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The QB has to be "avoiding the grasp" of the apposing player when he tosses the brick away for intentional grounding to be called.

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