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 BEFORE the begining of time.....
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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what do u guys think? is this possible, if time is currently moving, it's logical to think that it started sometime, and hence, u can go before that, nd you'd be 'before the begining of time'...also, if time is measured in vibrations, if it were -273K, would there be no time...? ~leaf~     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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It is mindboggling to even consider the possiblities... | ||
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Moderator 
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Brotha Leaf - I have dificulty remembering my kids' names. That is waaaaaaaaaaaay too heavy for my feeble little mind. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
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The Big Bang Bar and Grill does shows every night from 6:00 - 12:00 showing the instance of creation. Enjoy your stay. IF that gets old, try Millaways, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe! ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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Time is a dimension, so there had to be a period before that dimension was created. Also time slows down as you approach the speed of light, so I would think nature of light is TIMELESS. | ||
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Guru
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the leaf's might of been good.
[This message has been edited by Checkmatebloated (edited December 12, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Right now as we speak scientists in Europe are trying to prove the "HUGGS". It is the structure of the universe or the before of the befores. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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I like boobs. | ||
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Moderator
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Light is timeless. The wave-particle duality of light states that it is both a particle (photon) and a wave. (Note that we can measure wavelength.) There is an interesting consequence to this. Light exists as both MATTER (the particle) and as ENERGY (the wave). Considering that it is a law of physics that the total amount of matter and energy in the universe must remain constant, the role of light is unusual to say the least. Light is BOTH, and it travels at a speed that causes time to cease. Achieving light speed travel would answer all the questions. Any ideas? Where's Chesty? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Your question starts with the presupposition that time is real and universally defined. It is not. Time is a construct of the human mind. It exists only to humans and other beings that have created the construct. And in other beings that have created the construct, it is quite possible that they define (i.e. experience) time quite differently than we do. Therefore, it (time) is not real, except in our minds -- so there can be no beginning of time or time after time because no human was around or will be around to experience it. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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bigtruck, it's true that the word time (as in hours, minutes, months, etc...)are constructed by humans, however, time as a...thought (for lack of a better word) is not, time, as in the rotation of the earth around the sun(what we call an year)...also, would photons still be moving at absolute zero...? ~leaf~ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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....Toronto: 38 points Dallas: 35 points ~leaf~ | ||
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Cool Novice 
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I agree totally with Big Truck. Time is a mental construction that we use to explain motion but not even motion itself is real. A couple years ago i thought of this analogy as a way to disprove the existence of time. If you could stop time at a single instant, what would it look like? It would appear like a photograph, except it would be in 3 dimensions. Now this moment would not contain any time. agreed? Then you can take many of these 'moments' or snapshots, and arranged them in order much like a is done in film, which consists of frames. Now, none of the snaphots themselves contain any time but taken as a whole we say that they do. You can even have an infinite number of snapshots but none of them contain time. There's no way to account for time in this example. When the instants are taken as a whole there may be the impression of time and motion but do these things really exist? i believe our minds impose time and motion on these instants in order to make sense of them, but reality is simply like a filmstrip, where time and motion are simply illusionary. | ||
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Moderator
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BigWorm and Truck, That sounds like trash can philosophy. The photograph analogy is misguided. Pictures DO contain time, albeit a VERY small slice of it. Pictures are images of what was happening at a certain instance. Time did not cease when you snapped it, the image is merely a result of the optical instruments of the camera. It is woefully inaccurate to think of a picture as being without time. Cameras have shutter speeds, like 100 or 400.....surely you've seen these numbers on film boxes. if the speed is 100, it means that the image will represent 1/100 of a second...so yes there is CLEARLY time and your analogy is BOGUS, no matter how fast the shutter speed. Now away from the analogy: Lack of motion does not necessitate lack of time. Molecular motion is ongoing, and is a result of heat energy (temperature). As a substance is heated, molecular activity increases. Oxygen is a gas at room temperature, but can be cooled into a liquid, which would mean less molecular activity. Water is liquid at room temp, but can be frozen (made a solid by decreasing the molecular movement). At no time in the process of removing heat energy (cooling) does the rate of time change. There is no correlation in that sense between time and motion. Measures of time such as hours and seconds are relevant only to humans. The existence of time is real to all things. Time slows as the speed of light is approached....and that slowness of time is evident to anyone or anything who experiences moving at that speed - for example a BEAR would not age (feel time's effects) if it were moving at the speed of light. Time is another dimension, like length, width or depth, which CAN BE TRAVELED THROUGH. This is not a philosophy question, it is a science question, and the realness of time is beyond debate. Where the fuck is Chesty on this one? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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matt, Time is measured as vibrations of molecules, if, say, a hat were somehow cooled to absolute zero (the movements of its particles would cease), therefore, it would be in the exact same state when u took it out as when you put it in...so, in one way, no time has passed... ~leaf~ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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...good point on the shutter speed of the cameras.. ~leaf~ | ||
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Moderator
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Leaf, You are incorrectly assuming that time is defined by molcular (or other) motion. It is not. Time is a dimension. It is not defined by the other 3 dimensions, just as they are not defined by it. Time will only stop as the speed of light is aproached. Time SLOWS as this velocity is approached, and stops completely at the speed of light. Time does not slow (though motion does) as temperatures drop close to absolute zero. Motion and time - unrelated. |
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