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 who implements drop sets in their training?
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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i did shoulders in about ten minutes tonight using all drop sets. total 15 sets, if i would have done them one set at a time. man they kick your ass, and i'm doing them all week! the end result is good so i guess their worth it! ------------------     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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I'll do it once in a while for tri's or bi's if Im pressed for time...being that I work out alone I can't do them for the big compound movements...talk about a red hot poker in your muscle.... ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1448 |
I don't. Maybe once in a blue moon for a change, or if I have no time. They do not provide maximum overload and tax nervous system recovery therefore they are pretty much a waste of time IMO. "Feeling the burn" is not what you should strive for... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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frackal has heavy weights syndrome! do you ever cut. what is the point of training maximum poundages 365 days a year. so your telling me by cycling my training i am wasting my time? how old are you, oh shit thats right your still in high school. i have forgot more about nutrition and training than most people will ever know. so don't tell me i am wasting my time, and i think i will decide what i will strive for! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 559 |
shit, I do drop sets often......I love them.... | ||
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Cool Novice 
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Hey Frackal, I'm not about to flame you like freak daddy but i think drop sets are very helpful. They are a way to go past failure and increase intensity. They also are effective in inducing muscle damage which is the stimulus for hypertrophy. Check out this article, it suggests an effective way to do drop sets. Take it for what its worth. http://homepages.together.net/~twilbur/descend.htm | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Thank you freakdaddy for pointing out that I am still in highschool. Obviously there are various schools of thought on this subject. Have I ever cut? Not yet, but when I do I will be using heavy weights as well. Light weights, 20 rep sets, drop sets etc... The high rep cutting thing is a myth, if you don't know that, than you obviously have more to learn. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 667 |
sorry frackal! obviously i am not a dumb ass, but i have been training for 7 years. high reps, light to med. weight work incredible for me. they may not work for others, but i have not had many clients they have'nt worked for. my light to med. training is heavy to most people. the books are not always right when it comes to training 101. trial and error are the best teachers. you will understand one day frackal. sorry i went off earlier! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Thanks bigworm. I appreciate people who are able to have a civilized discussion without flaming others. I will read your article with an open mind as I do not know everthing. | ||
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Moderator 
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references... show me references. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1448 |
Freakdaddy: No problem. It does vary from person to person of course. You may have more Type 1 muscle fibers, while I, who respond best to heavy weights, may have more type 2 fibers. It also varies from bodypart to bodypart... Johnny, I'm about to watch Vertigo on DVD but I will look in a little bit to find some. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 873 |
i have used them but i dont on a regular basis when im pressed for time i do,lets nto get into the argurment of who is right and who is wrong cuz its what works for you ------------------ http://pub33.ezboard.com/bburnboy check this board out its just gettin started | ||
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Novice 
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quote: Dear lord! Did you just say 20 rep sets and drop sets don't work? What the hell are you talking about? Have you tried them? I'm not talking about light weight pumping with 10 lbers here buddy. I'm talking intense fucking sets to failure. Do 20 rep squats ring a bell? Oh... those are different... un huh I also heard (up higher in this post) say something about drop sets not taxing the nervous system. The goal is not to tax the nervous system. Please, you're saying you're open minded to the various schools of thought but you're obviously not. I'm curious. Where did you acquire your vast knowledge of bodybuilding? Mentzer or cyberpump? If you have never cut, you should know that it's a helluva lot harder than it would seem to be. Only a function of how many calories under you BMR, my ass. Losing 2 lbs a weak of fat is something most people are never able to do. Your system is gonna be taxed. If you try to keep lifting as heavy as possible, you're going to get frustrated as your poundages drop. this is when people get injured. In order through the workout with maximal results you'll need to go a little lighter. Still heavy, just a little less. That last comment about high rep training being a myth is only partly false. Let me ask you, which would you think would burn more calories.... a 10 set heavy hit workout, or a moderate weights supersetting 90 minute workout? Have you ever tried more volume? I'm glad if you found something that works for you. But don't preach it as gospel. Oh, and sometime, if you have a little free time, and you're willing to be open minded, check out www.davedraper.com. Even if you aren't willing to change your thoughts on hit vs. volume it still has dozens of articles that will leave you aching to get your hands on some iron. I tell ya.Draper's the damn Ernest Hemingway of weightlifting... If you're just looking for strength, then you're on the right path. But if you want the image you have in your mind of the whole package (which some board members have already long surpassed) you're going to have to adapt. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Obviously there are people on this board who feel different. I'm sure these are useful techniques. Let me rephrase then: AS FAR AS WHAT I HAVE READ AND EXPERIENCED, HEAVY WEIGHTS WITH 4-8 REPS IS THE BEST METHOD OF MUSCLE HYPERTROPHY. I did say 'IMO' which means, 'in my opinion', thus you should not have 'taken it as gospel...' [This message has been edited by Frackal (edited December 11, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 667 |
jethro tull that was beautiful! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 667 |
frackal that was beautiful too  !------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 360 |
Love'em Intense, heavy, and short works best for me. I live in the 6 to 10 range except for squats. I love High Intesity Training, Different stroke for different folks.... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1448 |
Not only that, I never stated that "drop sets don't work". I just feel, from all that I have read, (not mentzer of cyberpump) that they are not the optimal method for muscular hypertrophy, even though I am sure they do induce it. I also made a mistake in my first post, I should have said: " And don't fucking tell me that I'm not open minded. You've read a few posts about me on a message board, don't make assupmtions. I'm done, we are both right in our respective ways. I made a couple mistakes with my info, sorry. | ||
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Moderator
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Drop sets, super-set, tri and giant sets ARE KICK ASS! I don't know about being "on", but when you do not use A/S and you cut your strength declines considerably, ESPECIALLY when you are close to contest time. And obviously you want your workouts to me more aerobic in nature when cutting. I have found these training techniques to be EXTREMELY HELPFUL! Also - forced reps and negatives will help increase strength especially when you've reached a plateau. ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
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I always throw them in. . .there is no better pump than dropping weight. My favorite is your last set of squat, drop the 45, off until you get back to 135 and do it for as many as you can. Than vomit. . .nothing better. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
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Drop sets are the shit. Combine these with supersets sometimes and you will be crying from the pain. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 667 |
i did not figure this to be a hot topic yeah right now until about mid jan. i will doing supers, tris, giant, and drop sets. they kick your ass and your weights will definetly decline, but what i have found is that i rebound incredibly when i start training heavy again. i think people forget sometimes you have to really stimulate both types of red fibers. one of the forgotten rules. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 742 |
Seeing as there are different muscle fiber types that respond to different rep-ranges, drop sets are one of the best way to train. Why?? on a double drop set you get three failure reps per set, as opposed to one in a straight set. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 16 |
I friggin love doing drop sets on leg press. do your regular sets...maybe about 5 or 6, climbing up to almost max weight, then on the last one do a triple drop set with about 10-12 reps per set. You will either puke, or be crawling out of the gym. This DEFINITELY works ! later, | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 174 |
hey frackel, i too, respond better to heavy weight training 6-8, or 8-10., but my question to you is that do you decrease the weight at all to keep you in your rep range, or do you stay at the same weight and slowly decrease in repetition? i usually drop about 5-10 lbs each set to keep me in the 6-8, or 8-10 range, how about you. mine is like this: flat bench 205x 6-8 can you post your routine, just want to see how your sets and reps are done | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2105 |
Freak daddy you are wise. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 667 |
thanks wodin!(i think) ------------------ |
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