|
|
 |
 |
|
 Elite Fitness Bodybuilding, Anabolics, Diet, Life Extension, Wellness, Supplements, and Training Boards
 Chat & Conversation
 Any Brazilian Jui-Jitsu Bro's?
|
| Author | Topic: Any Brazilian Jui-Jitsu Bro's? | ||
|
Cool Novice 
Posts: 36 |
I've been thinking of taking brazilian jui-jitsu lately, is there any good bro's that can give me a little a little info on training, or even a little about what to expect. I wrestled a little back in HS, but think it would be cool to be able to better handle myself in certain situations. Any info would be greatly appreciated..thanks     | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 57 |
First of all,, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is one of the worst martial arts to take in terms of self defense.Why?Well, because the whole concept of the style depends on if you're only fighting one person in a controlled environment with no cheat shots.Well, that isn't always the case with street fights.You always have to be aware of more than one assailant, weapons, a dirty fighter etc..Forget Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 159 |
I took ju jitsu while I was in the Marine Corps. and let me tell you!!! ju-jitsu stacked with advanced line fighting and nerve fighting works great even when fighting up to three people, we worked all types of training to see what best meshed with our training, we found ju-jitsu to work great. -Blackop | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 57 |
Of course it does, because you mixed it with other types of martial arts.But training in the marine corps is still different than real life.Learning martial arts is an advantage to beat up the regular jackass on the street who keeps bugging you but I say you can learn all the martial arts you want but when it comes down to it, if I ever went against a guy who was 6'5", 230 pounds I probably wouldn't stand a chance regardless of how much martial arts I knew unless my style incorperated a lot of training involving hitting a bag for hours on a spot that closely resembles a groin.I'm no coward, if I have to defend myself I would but this isn't the fuckin 80's anymore where everyone could be the karate kid and beat up the school bully and get the girl. | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 159 |
Hell your wrong, fighting in the Marins Corps isn't like fighting in real life. We have instructors we fight that look like dorian they're so huge, others that are small and very nimble, differant scenarios. You couldn't comprehend unless you took advandced tac survival or were sta plt. or recon. -Blackop | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 57 |
You're correct, but your instructors aren't trying to kill you for real. | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
Hey Snapperhead! It's cool that you are considering Brazilian Jujitsu, but maybe I can interest you in another submission style. First of all let me start off by saying BJJ isn't that bad of a choice. It has a vast variety of devastating submission maneuvers for the entire body, but it lacks in many areas too. As you can probably tell I step on the toes of many of the BJJ bro's on this board, but I have some very good reasons to do so. I myself am a Shootfighting practicioner. We not only know submissions, but we have an extensive stand up system based mostly on Muay Thai and American boxing, we have a much larger arsenal of slams, suplexes, and takedowns than BJJ, our submissions are much more practical because we do not train in fancy uniforms that allow for our opponent to choke us with their or our own gi, we borrow techniques from other arts such as BJJ, Sambo, Judo, Muay Thai, boxing, and more, we spend a great amount of time studying BJJ techniques for the sheer reason of exploiting them, and lastly our style will much more easily integrate with your wrestling background. Just something to consider bro. ------------------ - Kwai-Chang Caine | ||
|
Novice 
Posts: 1 |
Been lurking on this board for a while but felt the need to toss in my two cents here... I've trained in bjj/submission wrestling for close to 5 years now and would definitely recommend it to anyone. i also wrestled in HS and it will give you an advantage; you'll most likely find that your sense of balance is a bit better than most other newcomers. i'd recommend looking for an instructor that trains without gi's, if you want i can post the reasoning behind that statement later. as far as how it compares against other martial arts; if i had to chose just one, i'd definitely choose bjj. yes, the concept centers around fighting one person in a controlled environment, but if you're planning on taking on more than one person by yourself; you deserve whatever you get. i don't know of a system that can truly prepare you for that, despite what you see on Kung-fu theatre. since you don't have to choose just one martial art, however, i'd definitely recommend supplementing it with some kind of boxing training. a key advantage of styles like bjj and boxing is that when you train, it's very similar to how you'd actually fight, you don't have to hold as much back, unlike sparring in other systems. Anyway, hope that helps. | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 22 |
Sorry to swerve off the topic but I would like to know if anyone here knows about Capoeira. If you don't know what I mean, rent the movie "Only The Strong". I have been looking for classes and the price is too damn high, like around 30-40 dollars a lesson. From what I have read, this style teaches you balance and counter-attacks with also some offensive. I have not gotten too in depth but I will post a topic for this so everyone can respond to it. ------------------ | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 57 |
I agree, anyone who wants to fight three guys at once deserves whatever he gets.But im talking about selfdefense, where the person causing shit usually always has friends to back him up because they're such cowards alone.I was very involved in martial arts throughout my teenage years(it isn't too long ago since im only 20 now).People always turn to martial arts in hopes of becoming a bad ass, walking down the street with sheer confidence that we can kick anyone's ass but that isn't always the case.I no longer practice martial arts because I've just lost interest in it but I bet I could probably just kick someone in the nuts or gouge at their eyes with a swift hand strike and put years of martial arts practice to waste.If you're in martial arts just to kick someone's ass, you're in it for the wrong reason, because there will always be someone better than you.Luckily, Ive never been in a fight.Learn martial arts for self defense and nothing else. | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 129 |
Are any of you familiar with the SCARS system ? I've read about it but I want to hear from someone who has actual experience with it. | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 159 |
A buddy of mine that just moved back to the dominican Republic is totally into it. He's spent over 600 dollars so far on books and videos. It's mainly about using the entire body's weight in punches and kicks. Also there is alot of preasure point and nerve tactics. And stuff like how the body reacts when hit in certain ways so you can know what to do immediatly following an offensive. Personally I feel it is a good fighting style similar to the Training of the Marines. It is quit costly. I recommend that if you are going to get into it, go in with a bunch of guys so you can all train together, otherwise it will be dificult to train. S.c.a.r.s. is good, just expensive. | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 313 |
what is a S.C.A.R.S. system? | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
Pheonix138 has the right idea, but why cross-train when Shootfighting has everything you need. No offense against you military bro's and what you learned at your respective service organizations, but much of your hand-to-hand combat training is inferior. We've had quite a few military guys (MUCH RESPECT TO THEM BY THE WAY) come through ours doors and get absolutely worked. And in response to many of you who bring up pressure points. They don't work!!!!!! ------------------ - Kwai-Chang Caine | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 351 |
I mostly agree with Phoenix. I've been training BJJ for about three years and I trained Muay Thai, Filipino Kali and a little Wing Chun before BJJ. It boils down to this. If your looking for street self defense then you need to cross train no doubt. I sugest BJJ at a school that mixes Gi and no Gi training.(i'll explain why you need both later) and I would also take muay thai and Filipino knife training ass well. Filipino weaponry in my opinion is one of the most basic, non flashy street affective forms of self defence against knife, stick/bat/pipe or chain (you get the picture) attacks available. Muay Thai is great for all the basic strikes. Kicks, knees, elbows and fists. And of coarse, Bjj is great for when your attacker grabs you and takes you to the ground. It will happen most of the time. However I would avoid going to the ground in mutiple attacker situations as stated above for obvious reasons. Now, I believe you need to train with the gi and without for these reasons. Grappling with the gi is so dynamic. There is so many things you can do with someones clothing and it also give you a good base to work with so when you switch to "no-gi", you're like a fish in water. The game is much faster and you have less of an arsenal to work with. It narrows the gap between the more advanced and less advanced grappler. The Gi training is not useless for the street either. Most of the "Gi-chokes" are easily done with a jacket, flanel, collared shirt and some can even be done with a tee shirt. I think most of the fights your going to get into, you will be dressed. So anyone who tells you that "no-gi" grappling is the only realistic form of grappling must only see fights at the beach or pool side. I originaly started BJJ to supliment my street fighting arsenal. I then fell in love with the chess match of grappling and that is now all I do. I figuer, if you are that concerened with making sure you can handle any street situation, then maybe you could use a change of lifestyle. I haven't gotten into a fight since I was a teen.(i'm 32yrs old) I walk away when I can. I carry a knife for when I can't and I would carry a gun if it were legal. The day you really think you have covered all your bases, some ass hole will shoot you. Good luck in your decision. ------------------ [This message has been edited by T Bone (edited December 03, 2000).] | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 351 |
Oh ya, I agree with Kwai-Chang Caine, shootfighting a awsome too and pressure points dont work. Kwai-Chang, Incedentaly, my istructor spanked two of your top Shootfighters from Japan at Abu Dahbi remember. heh heh. Just messin with ya. I know, it was just a grappling tournament. No strikes or anything. I think it would go the other way in a Shooto rules match since my instuctor mainly just grapples. You guys are bad ass. Peace ------------------ | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 22 |
i love brazilian, ive been to a few gracie seminars... and i know many people that compte,,, email me if you want any info | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 318 |
Expect your workouts to suffer for a little while until your body adapts. You can only hyperextend your elbows, knees, etc so many times before lifting anything is a bitch. You will adapt after time though. | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 75 |
Got my black belt in bjj training for 8 years, trained with all the gracies,and some other well know NHB fightrs, also got my black stripe in savate. Ive fought in 8 underground NHB fights usually held in the schools late at night won all of them in under a minute except one that one took me a a little over a minute. ------------------ | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 543 |
I would have to say that the best form of martial arts is "FANTOMITSU"..just look what it did to the guy in this picture.... ------------------ | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 543 |
In all serious now... I have never studied a martial art and I am definately not a bad ass....most people avoid me....they say I have that "asshole/pitbull" look to me. But I have been in a few little battles in the last year (at a bar..go figure) and when the guy squares off to start throwing punches..I "always" fake a punch and then shoot for his legs and get him on the ground...I am not a puncher (that shit hurts your hands!!!) Once on the ground Im usually on top and the guy is kinda stunned and I can weasle my hand up to his throat...by this time the fight has always been broken up...so basically my fighting form is self defense..grab onto the bastard, keep him from hitting me, and the fight gets broken up... it looks really cool when Im on top..(notice I didn't tell you about the time I was on the bottom....drunken college wrestler..but I held my own...the guys buddies came up and apologized (also wrestlers) and asked if I had wrestled when I was younger...When I told them no..they started laughing...I guess this guy was one of the top dogs in the 198 class at his school..and I was about 180 at the time..that was one fight though that Im glad got broken up) Anyway if I took a martial arts class (besides FANTOMITSU of course) it would be some form of grappling,mixed with a few punching and kicking... | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 452 |
look into ving tsun kung fu , its simple and effective . no flashy bs . ------------------ | ||
|
Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 832 |
I trained a little bit in BJJ, Sambo and judo. I think arm and leg bars were probably the most effective things I learned from these systems. I would say that you need to balance it with a striking art and be aware of how easy you can be hit when using judo tactics. ------------------ | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 543 |
I know BigTruck is pretty good in Squirrel Submissions... just ask Karl and Blaster.. :-) ------------------ |
All times are ET (US) | |
 |
Powered by Infopop www.infopop.com © 2000
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.45c
posted December 03, 2000 02:10 PM
