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 ALL NATURAL MY ASS!
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 224 |
I cant stand guys who take creatine, Andro, ECA, & every other legal form of muscle enhancement & refer to themselves as "all natural". I guess a better term would be "all legal". But no way in hell are these holier than thou, self-rightious little pricks "all natural". I think that the whole "all natural" thing is just an excuse to why some little prick aint as big, strong, cut, or whatever, to a guy who sauces. Quit bitching you natural fucks! Stop looking down on me & buy a plane ticket to SD allready.     | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 2245 |
Now, tell us how you really feel!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 227 |
All Natural, Means only FOOD. I agree, they think that they are natural because they don't do AS. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1272 |
So what are some of your opinions on nattys roiddog? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 291 |
whats bullshit is some naturals juice anyway to get ahead of the competition. THey just cheat the tests. Nick | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 415 |
i love your brutal honesty roiddog! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 446 |
Am I still natural if I drink monarch vodka and gin after an "intense" workout???... LOL I have yet to use AS. but I agree with you that proponents of "staying natural" are either #1. do not appreciate BB to the extent that is neccessary to achieve superhuman proportions... #2 are in denial and use nitrotech (LOL) #3 have a real problem breaking the law? (NOT all people like the idea of being social deviants, and or being BUSTED!!!) I for one would jump at the chance to use AS, I have been researching for some time. yet I have not found someone I trust to make a transaction. (damn scammers!! and flaky bastards [domesestic]) Bodybuilding is awesome, please think of your health first. then the superhuman physique will be yours to attain. peace. [This message has been edited by Valdez (edited November 21, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 144 |
I've got a deal for you. You don't look down at me because I don't do AS and I won't look down on you because you do. And you are correct, it is a Legal thing. I have a wife who would not in any way shape or form condone the use. I have kids that I would not want to put in any risk. I work has hard as you, I love it as much as you, the only difference is that you choose to use and I don't. ------------------ [This message has been edited by PT101 (edited November 21, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1116 |
ECA, muscle enhancement... I dont think so. creatine, helps recovery time... maybe. Andro, supposedly helps you gain muscle. Me natty, yes. take all of the above, yes. Natuaral in the sense that have not used roids yet, yes. Will I, why... Im still grow'n. Natural, in the context that its most used in means, wihtout illegal steriods. Debat on if you will, pointless... yes. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 610 |
I don't condone or look down on the use of AS, but I think you are talking out of your ass. You know what's natural and what isn't. How hard is it to discern between natural and unnatural. Hmm let's look at it... You have AS which allows you to put on a good 20lbs on pure muscle in a couple of months. This is far beyond the body's natural ability to grow muscle. Then you have regular supplements such as creatine which will throw on some water weight and fill your muscles with water so you get a temporary strength gain which can lead to better gains. Basically harmless shit that's not going to get you big but will give you a tiny kick and may get your through a plateau. Then you have andro which you are basically f'ing stupid to take because it doesn't give you AS-like gains but gives you AS-like side effects. I think you are neither natural, nor unnatural if you take andro. More like dumb. IMHO you either take gear and you lose your natural status, or you don't take gear and you are natural. You can not argue the fact that nothing but AS will give you as much muscle in a month. Nothing even comes close. And don't think you are some big shit because you juiced and are bigger than people who chose not to juice. It's not like you worked any harder to get bigger, stronger, and more cut. You stuck a needle in your ass and filled yourself full of gear. You sound more the self-righteous prick, either that or you are insecure about the fact you juice. If you use AS, that's fine...just don't come on here and be a cock and put people who don't down. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2584 |
I agree with supersize, a cloned mountain goat knows the fucking difference between natural and not natural. Natural being defined by no AS use in this case. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 227 |
The whole point of this is. Unless you only eat FOOD, and use no form of supplementation. YOU'RE NOT NATURAL. I have never used AS. BUT I AM NOT NATURAL. I have used Creatine, ECA, And numerous other legal substances, It Doesn't make me NATURAL though. 3 Catagory's 1 - Natural - Food Only | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1008 |
Everyone on this board must realize that, by the food-only definition, there is probably no-one left on this planet that is natural. So get a grip on yourselves and use the term as it is commonly understood and has been used for decades. It has nothing to do with banned or illegal substances (that changes from country to country or in different sporting bodies). Natural in the sense of bodybuilding means "NO exogenous use of anabolic steroids, ever". It doesn't mean "no use of exogenous hGH, insulin, pro-hormones, creatine" blah blah blah. You're confusing the term natural with someone who has used other ergogenic supplements that are not steroids. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1116 |
well put MS. Maybe they wanna put themselvs in the "not natural" category. I dont understand why they grey area here. I guess common sense aint so common. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 920 |
i guess insulin use is natural since its legal. lol, natural is food only, period. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1002 |
All natural actually means you spend more at GNC for no results than I do at the Roids R US for unbelievable results. Dude, Andro, Creatine, and all that shit is exactly that, shit. Every time someone buys it they are only helping the SOB that packages the stuff. It does basically nothing except drain the pocket of the buyer. Peace | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 224 |
I know what the "universal" definition of natural is fellas. There isn't any difference between Creatine & Roids(TEST)in that they ARE BOTH SUBSTANCES THAT OCCUR NATURALLY IN THE BODY THAT INDUCE MUSCLE GROWTH & RECOVERY. The ONLY difference is that one is legal & one aint. You creatine guys(some of you)use that as an excuse to think that you work harder& are somehow better than a guy who juices. Truth is....you just hav't crossed over yet fellas!!!!!!!! SEE YA WHEN YOU GET HERE! MOOOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 224 |
MOOOOOOOHAHAHAHAHA MOOOOOOOOOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH MOOOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAh | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1272 |
Moooooo!!!! Oink oink!! HeeeHaww Heehaww!! | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1662 |
this whole natural debate can go round and round for years. if some of you bros think you are natural and are using eca or creatine you can think again. just because this country says they are legal to use doesnt make you natural. ps...the majority of nattys competing, guess again. creatine as taken in extracted form, isnt natural. (i dont know anyone who can take a peice of steak and extract powdered creatine out of it.) so whats the difference between ephedrine hcl and clenbuterol? both are pharmaceutical grade....but one is legal and one is not. bottom line....take a hard look at your definition of natural and see if you actually mean "legal". as for whether nattys work harder than juicers? well there are a few things nattys dont have to think about and concentrate on. ie dosages, injection times, procurement of AS, side effects, etc. dilligent responsible bros have a bit more to do with AS IMO. take it how you want. sure there is more muscle gain, but also more involved than eat, sleep, lift, supplement. its the price to pay for more growth. and to the brother who said, just stick a needle and grow. sure AS will make you grow, but it wont stay, it takes work to keep it on as well. alot of work, since you are setting a new limit for your body to maintain. peace ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1115 |
This is one of those topics that will never be resolved.The food only thing is almost un heard of now a days.Even my 56 year old dad takes glutamine & dhea.What about protein supplementation?Is that crossing the line? I guess if they banned Creatine & made it illeagal.Then you would be a cheater I guess.AS are just supplements & nothing more. If you dont eat & train right then you wont get anything out of it. ------------------ BROS BEFORE HO'S | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 227 |
Kodiak, stop talking out of your ass. Creatine, doesn't work? Whatever. Next you'll say L-Glutamine doens't work either, what about HMB I guess that is all hogwash, same as Ribose eh. Hmm that's funny Evey time I start a new batch of Creatine I gain 6lbs LBM in a week. I am not against AS. SO don't take this wrong, But you are blatantly making a fool of your knowledge. If I could get my hands on AS I would probably do a cycle. But for you to say that the other supplements don't work is ridiculous. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 42 |
Shit Kool-Aid, I want some of your creatine. 6lbs of LBM in a week? Who needs dbol? I smell a little bit of BULLSHIT! | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1662 |
yeah 6lbs of LBM, not likely. 6 lbs of water within the muscles, very likely. bodyfat may not change but its temporary size that depends on water intake and creatine intake and tends to go away within 2 weeks of stopping. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 438 |
6lbs in a week every time you start taking it? SHIT I would start every monday and end every sunday.What is that 312lbs. in a year? Honestly, I'd take 1lbs. a week and you(Kool-aid) can have the other 5lbs.No, Don't thank me,What are Bro's for? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 224 |
I, for one, believe the dude about the 6lbs. It is water weight however. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 227 |
I did say in the First week. After that I gain about 1-2 lbs a week. And it is gains that I keep after I stop supplementing. Now L-Glutamine is a supplement I bet that alot of you guys are not getting enough of. And my time off between use is about 3 month's. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 3380 |
i drink bull sperm by the gallons..does that mean im not a natty anymore? ------------------ "...damn you for not giving my TEST" - Metallica "After this show i'll be fat and happy again.....If i make it to the show...." - Lee Priest "Lets put some weight on the bar.." - Shawn Ray "IT DOESN'T MATTER" - The Rock | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1662 |
no youre still a natty, just not normal....ewwwwwww. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 36 |
I�d say that any substance which doesn�t make you grow muscles also doesn�t make you NOT natural. So this means that all this creatine, glutamine and ribose shit doesn�t make you not natural. I hope someday the supplement companies really come up with something which works as doubtlessly as protein, stimulants and juice. Unfortunately I don�t juice, because it�s so hard to get your hands on AS here. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
OK, I got in on this late, but oh well... Take norephedrine. Lots of people use this stuff effectively when cutting. Are they natural? The FDA is pulling it from products and shelves... Soon it will be illegal to have without a prescription. So, if you're of the opinion that those who currently use norephedrine are "natural"... Are they still natural the day after the product gets pulled? Legality is too arbitrary and politicized a measuring stick for who's "natural" and who isn't. So what is natural? Does it mean not fucking with endogenous hormone levels? In that case, Andro's out... Hell, there are enough hormones in the food we eat every day that none of us should be considered truly "natural" if this is the case Ah well, I'm tired and going to bed... Hope you can see my point though - there's a lot of gray area between natty and not... I feel it's a distinction each individual has to make... |
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