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chesty

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posted November 20, 2000 11:58 AM

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I just read some posts about how a statement of how many blacks voted for gore is racist and about some other posts that I will not go into.

I am just concerned about the fact that we are on a chat board that is free and we should be able to post are thoughts and opinions without derogatory comments by others. Such as being called racist.

If we were to take a look at the different races represented here we would find that probably most of those of the world are here.

We should be able to discuss any topic without envoking irrational and irresponsible remarks.

That being said...


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madbomber31

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posted November 20, 2000 12:01 PM

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I POSTED ABOUT RACIAL SLURS... I DONT THINK IT WAS RACIST, I THOUGHT ITS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE DOES, AND IF YOU SAY YOU DONT THEN YOUR LYING TO YOURSELF.. EVERYONE FUCKS WITH THEIR FRIENDS ABOUT ONE THING OR ANOTHER. MY FRIENDS AND I USE RACE... NO BIGGY IF ALL ARE INVOLVED AND ARE NOT USING IT TO HURT EACH OTHER...

AS FOR OTHER STUFF... EVERY PERSON STEREOTYPES ONE "TYPE" OF PERSON OR ANOTHER. NO WAY AROUND IT, WE ALL DO IT.
THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES HERE, SO ANYONE CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT.


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JohnnyO

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posted November 20, 2000 12:05 PM

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I was tired of political posts by that time and probably ignored it, but if someone says that 99% of gays voted for gore I wouldn't be offended.. that's just a statement of fact... I'm not sure how the racism is coming into play here.


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posted November 20, 2000 12:06 PM

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I just read that same post, maybe i am missing something, I must admit I dont click on every topic but I havent seen anything overtly rascist since pizza man, that joke thread maybe, but its not like it was picking on any one race, every race was getting slammed (once again I didnt really read all of that thread but still).

Im not sure why everyone is so sensative.

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underguy77

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posted November 20, 2000 12:13 PM

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Yeah I agree with you Chesty. Some jackass called me racist when I made a post about the people who voted for Gore. Then, someone had the nerve to delete my post without any explanation. My comment was no where near racist... but this jackass thought it was. I was just stating facts...I guess some people cant except that. People are so quick to judge and its starting to piss me off


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posted November 20, 2000 12:15 PM

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Lets see, to point out any form of social action based on a persons, creed, origin, race or color is RACIST! THATS WHY! If I say that all Jews are homophobic then I would be espousing a racist view point. If I say that all whites can't dance (true by the way) I would be espousing a racist view point.

Racism is only non-existant when the subject of race is non-existant!

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posted November 20, 2000 12:26 PM

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I can tear up that dance floor!


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posted November 20, 2000 12:30 PM

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I can cook up some mighty fine refried beans.


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posted November 20, 2000 12:30 PM

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Keep your hands below your shoulders JohnnyO, or someone might think your gay.


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underguy77

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posted November 20, 2000 12:38 PM

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I just read Kadafi's post about brr and others leaving. I read almost all of the posts from the other board. I see people are pissed off at madbombers "racist slurs" post. I dont see it the way that do. The ONLY way we can ever get rid of racism is to bring it out and joke about it. To hide from it and ignore it like it never existed will never get the problem solved. I didnt read the "93% of blacks voted for Gore" so i cant really comment on that. but, I heard those numbers on the news and I cant see how that is racist...its a fact, and thats all it is

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ILLmatic

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posted November 20, 2000 12:39 PM

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Ya!! and what about all those posts about Canadians?? I've been crying myself to sleep everynight thinking about how hateful you all are!!! I have a good mind to leave and never come back!! that will show you all!!
Or maybe I should cry to the Mods to have them all deleted!!
To those complaining...grow up or shut up
To the rest,
peace,
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chesty

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posted November 20, 2000 12:42 PM

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For those who want to know what racism and hate is about do a search on the Ayran Nation and read those links. Do a search on Nazism and read those links. I have spent years on the sheriff's department an on the gang unit and have had to study racism and so forth to be effective in my job. So I think I know a little something about the subject.

Below is just one of the many links dealing with racism.

http://www.christian-aryannations.com/

The link above is a true example of racism and hate. Do not read this article if you are easily offended.

Wodin, I agree with your statement, but I also believe that racism as used in this society has a more sinister meaning.

That is why I believe that racism as used here on elite is wrong. No one has expressed hate, anger, or ill will towards any race or sex or belief.


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WODIN

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posted November 20, 2000 12:42 PM

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And I can say that 95% of all millionairs in the country are white/conservative/biggetted/self-centrist pricks! That's just stating a fact too.

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Mr H

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posted November 20, 2000 12:47 PM

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The bottom line is that the term 'racist' is used way too much nowadays.


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underguy77

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posted November 20, 2000 12:53 PM

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Wodin-
You tell me how "93% of blacks voted Gore" is racist? That is a fact! How can you compare what I said to ur "biggetted/self-centrist pricks" comment? I never said that "93% of blacks voted gore...and they are all stupid". I think you read into things too much.

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posted November 20, 2000 12:54 PM

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Mr H-

I totally agree


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i agree with mr.h. racist is the most over abused word in america. don't get me wrong i love all my bros and sis's, but damn i get tired of hearing about this. freedom of expression, whether we like it or not will always be viewed either as right or wrong, not as our constitutional right. i may not like what someone says about race, but that is that persons choice and right to speak their mind. as it is our choice to speak out against it! it is not going to get any better so everybody might as well get use to it! you might not like what i have said, but it is the cold truth!

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WODIN

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posted November 20, 2000 01:51 PM

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Underguy -

I personally know well over 20 millionaires and 15 of them are self-centrist biggetted pricks! That just a fact. Not being racist here. 18 of them are white, the other 2 are black, all I'm doing is extrapolating my relivant stats based on experience.

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madbomber31

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posted November 20, 2000 02:03 PM

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wodin, just to play the devils advocate for a second... what if i only knew 20 asians...
and 18 of them were gay, egocentric, wife beaters... could i then say that asians were gay egocentric wifebeaters?


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WODIN

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Dammit madbomber that IS what IM doing here!

Okay to play your game - I would say that the population of asians far outnumbers millionares by something in the neighberhood of, oh lets say, 250,000 to 1. Maybe I'm off by a few but thats a geuss! Then I would say that your group is an anomily that is by far nonrepresentative of the entire population given the small size of your sample. Then I would say that mine is fairly representative given the small population of the group I have in question.

Don't ya just love statistics!!!!

Now stop hogging in on my Devils Advocate turf!!!

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madbomber31

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posted November 20, 2000 02:27 PM

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BUT WODIN, SAY YOUR GROUP OF MILLIONAIRES NUMBERS A TOTAL OF 300,000... AND YOU ONLY KNOW 20... SO MAYBE YOUR STATEMENT SHOULD BE "THE RICH FUCKS I KNOW ARE ALL WHITE PECKERS" ETC...

ACTUALLY, I AM LOST NOW CUZ I DONT GO BACK AND RE-READ SHIT. SCREW MILLIONAIRES, AND SCREW GAY ASIAN WIFEBEATING EGOCENTRICS...


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JohnnyO

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posted November 20, 2000 02:30 PM

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if they were gay they wouldn't have wives .. unless you mean they wear wife beaters.


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underguy77

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posted November 20, 2000 03:38 PM

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Wodin-
But, you cant account for all the millionaires...only the 20 that you know. I know 3 millionaires personally, and am good friends with 2 of them. The 3rd is the owner of the company i work for. Yeah he fits ur descrition of how you see a millionaire....hes an asshole. The other 2 are really good honest people. but still...theres over 100,000 millionaires in the USA alone. For me to say that 95% of blacks are stupid is a racist comment. to say 95% voted gore isnt.

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TEXASAMM

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posted November 20, 2000 05:20 PM

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Hey Johnny,
when did gay become a race.
So if I say all homo's can dance am I being racist or closeminded?lol


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posted November 20, 2000 07:44 PM

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You can find whatever you look for! Racism is getting to be an excuse and a cruch. Sure, it exists.

I'm from Ga. and have many, many friends that are of a different race. Some are more successful than I and some equal. ( some less than I)

In this country, any driven, moral, hard working American can be successful.

If you want to believe this is a white mans world then although you would be in error, you'll be dragging an anchor.

I now live in Idaho(falsely believed to be very racist) and the most successful person I know is black.

The #1 agent with the firm I worked for when I lived in Oklahoma was from Lebanon. This was during the Gulf War!

Both these individuals are super successful because they are not limited by anyone. They choose not to play the race card.


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posted November 20, 2000 07:51 PM

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racist call other people racist


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posted November 20, 2000 08:54 PM

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I remember when moe dank had a topic on people originating in africa or something like that, that drew a lot of racist comments. I remember 'THESAINT' saying that whites were created by God, and blacks came from monkeys. Pizzaman said some racist shit too, and Natymike seems to dislike blacks...


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JohnnyO

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posted November 20, 2000 09:02 PM

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I've think we've come a long way since then, and why do you think that natymike doesn't like blacks???


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posted November 20, 2000 09:05 PM

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WHO REALLY GIVES A PHUK. IF SOMEBODY DOES NOT LIKE YOU DON"T PHUK'N DEAL WITH THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Natymike

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Chris Rock and Larry Elder said it best--"Black people are more racist than white people" this is not hard to see, all you have to do is look at the NAACP, their whole viewpoints deal with hating white people, and looking for free handouts for blacks simply because they are black. The only "RACIST" white people are in the fucking KKK, but shit, according to alot of blacks, most of the white population is racist.

I could go on for hours on how I fucking hate how alot of blacks claim racial prejudice because they did not get their way in life. I'm sure there is a black guy reading this post right now thinking to himself, "that fucking racist"

If a black guy is shot by a cop, then its racism, if a white guy is shot, well, then its his own damn fault. Is that right?? well thats the way the world is functioning right now, just watch the news, I hear another bullshit racial discrimination case every day, I usually have to change the channel before I throw my fucking TV out the window.

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Natymike

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posted November 20, 2000 09:51 PM

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recomme I don't dislike blacks, I dislike any lazy person who wants something for nothing, this could be anyone. I have black friends, they feel the same way.

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posted November 20, 2000 10:56 PM

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NATY DRESSED UP LIKE FLAVA FLAV .....HOW THE HELL COULD HE BE RASCIST?

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Ok this post has gone to shit, but good question Chesty, the problem is that only each person can answer it for themselves.

I would like all of you to truly look within yourselves and think about your hates and dislikes, you in your heart know whether or not you dislike people because of the color of thie skin or because you have been hurt by people of that race before. well guess what! as much as you try to hide it sooner or later it will come out in your writing.

You yourself know if you are preajudice or racist, and the reason you know is because you make bullshit excuses to yourself as to why you dislike a race or creed, you try to justify to your self that you hate black people because you where mugged by one, or becuase they got into College with lower grades than you.

Yes I think SOME people here are Racist and I think MOST people here are preajudice.

I don't feel like attacking anybody here personaly but there have been several post made with content wich would be offensive to blacks, just because you don't call somebody a Nigger to their face it does not mean you are not racist, it just means that law prohibits you from dressing up in white sheets for the purpose of linching somebody.

Now that goes to the subject of why would the "93% of black voted for Gore" post is racist, the conclusion that was drawn up by the crowd was that blacks where voting for gore for 2 reasons:

1-Blacks are uneducated
2-Blacks want something for free(welfare)

I have quoted some peole here, but before you go on to read this I would like to ask you to take the following into consideration:: SOME THE BROS THAT I HAVE QUOTED HERE ARE PEOPLE WHOM I LIKE VERY MUCH AND COMMUNICATE WITH OUTSIDE OF ELITE, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THESE PEOPOPLE ARE RACIST OR PREAJUDICE, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT AS TO WHY BLACKS ON THE BOARD WOULD FEEL OFFENDED.


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Stopped reading after the first few word. The man does not have a national ploy to keep the brother down. Idiotic statement. If they wanted to keep the brother down, the would find a way to stop sports and quit making them millions. Can't we all just get along?

quote:
Originally posted by :Frackal
Hell yeah AJC. I agree with you brother. <or maybe I shouldn't say brother 'cause someone might interpret that as a racist remark geared toward african americans.>

quote:
Originally posted by :Chesty
Some of the most prominent conservative Senators and Congressman are Black. I find that most of my friends that are black our conservative. Of course they have also gone to college and educated themselves. I find (and no disrespect intended) that the majority of blacks who are liberal are not educated very well (beyond highschool). Why is that? I find the more knowledge a person has the more informed one is the more educated a decision he/she can make.
Here is a story from a while ago. I was in the Marines and stationed in Millington, TN. I had been hearing on the news for quite sometime about how the white people are forcing the blacks to live in the ghettos, full of trash and shit. One day I was driving down the street and noticed a black woman carrying a 64 oz thirstbuster, and when she finished, she just through the cup down on the sidewalk. At that point I lost respect for those arguments. Now white dudes do the same thing, but they don't bitch that the blacks or rich or whatever are keeping them down and making them live in dirty ghettos.

The republicans have been more for education especially of the minorities than the liberals who just keep screaming more welfare programs, more money, to those who don't want to work.


quote:
Originally posted by :TxCollegeguy
well Black slaves had it alot better then my Native American Ancestors...At least the black slaves were alowed to live and not drivin into extermination...

quote:
Originally posted by :mightydog (in responce to TxCollegeguy)
I believe in survival of the fitest. If U can't defend it U gonna loose it. Those are the cold facts.


quote:
Originally posted by :Natymike (in a thread about affirmative action)
This is so typical, yet another example of a deadbeat trying to get something for nothing. It pisses me off to hear they are trying to settle on some bullshit like that, but I believe it, some people just feel that everything is owed to them.


QUOTE]Originally posted by ough White
How can Burger King be racist? Without black people, they'd lose 75% of their employees!!
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson make a living off allegations such as this! They work on commission, so it is in their economic interests to start something somewhere at all costs. I'd be embarassed to have these idiots representing me.
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These are just some examples of "the little things" we say that could offend people.

I shouldn't be one to talk, I probably offend more people with my post than Pizza Man and mightydog put together, however I don't bitch about shit when you guys talk about hispanics, and yes I have heard many of you refere to us in offnsive terms, if i have to read another post where all hispanics are linked to Burritos,Tacos and Ricky Martin I'm gonna have to kill somebody. not to long ago in a post about somebody who got busted at the border he used the words "I hate all those dirty fucking spics" surely he was talking about the Mexican authorities but was there any need for the "dirty fucking spics" remark???
Just last night I had to delete a post from a buddy of mines because he posted something like "you wet backs you all should go home" that remark was pointed towards me and if he had done it in ICQ or IM I would have responded by making fun of his Genetical predisposition to having a small penis, BUT... since it was on the board for all to see i didn't want anybody to feel offended.

Maybe I'm going in circles here but all I'm trying to do is show you the reason why we lost most if not all of our Black members.

PS: Chesty, Natymike I love you guys and I hope you guys understand the reason for my post and don't take offence to it

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posted November 21, 2000 12:43 AM

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I see it nowadays around here is a joke no one means anything by it, every where in our stores, banks, schools are a mix of people all races and and no real conflicts of any kind.

People are now realizing we all have the same dreams, hopes and wishes for the kids to grow up in a real better society to some extent, but this will occur slowly.


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posted November 21, 2000 12:48 AM

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Laserdude, I hear what you are saying bro, and to be honest there is very little I'm offended by, if you want to call me a Spic I'll answer appropiately with a derogatory term for whatever your Race/Religion is. All I'm trying to do is show the other side of the coin.


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I admit I haven't followed and don't know anything about the current US presidential election because I'm not American. But one thing is blatantly obvious to me. The mere fact that there is a statistic somewhere that tells you that 95% of black Americans voted for somebody (anybody)is a sign of deeply ingrained rascism in your culture. I assume this means that on each and every election form voters were asked to categorize themselves by race? And if not, then that means that someone in an official position went out and polled different ethnic groups about their voting. Either way it is rascism in the purest form. Democratic voting should be a totally anonymous affair, with no concern for race, creed, religion or gender.

Peace.


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Oh brother, the Aryan fucking nation, the only thing worse than racism is absolute and total ignorance-hence the Aryan nation, what a bunch of uneducated,hate mongering, mindless followers.....these fuckers make it embarassing at times to be white.But a sad reality is racism is here to stay whether we like it or not, its societies will.......

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gebadia bundy

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posted November 21, 2000 01:31 AM

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This is exacly what I'm talking about bro.

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posted November 21, 2000 01:40 AM

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BIG RICK IT WAS JUST A JOKEY JOKE LIKE I SAID


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barney

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posted November 21, 2000 09:16 AM

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i agree chesty...it seems to be all good to talk about how fucked white people are with certain things but as soon as you say anything about any other color or non anglo saxon race you are dismissed as being racist.


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chesty

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posted November 21, 2000 10:29 AM

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I take no offense BRR, just a few more days or less to find out who won!

I stand by my comments. I am not a racist in any way, prejudice sure, but we all are to a degree.

I guess the whole point is why is one race more sensitive than another in comments. It is the reactions that fuel the fire. The more I might say about a subject and the more response I get the more I say. See the idea?

We should be able to say whatever we want and not be afraid of offending someone (absent derogatory comments). It is a name or a comment, and unless the shoe fits...

We have election poles that ask each voter coming out who they voted for. It is quite obvious if you are white and voted for Bush or black and voted for Gore.


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Checkmatebloated

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posted November 21, 2000 11:45 AM

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BRR. Take my statement the way you will. I do not feel that was a racist statement and the way I feel about is really the only thing that counts. As you may know I work a second job at UPS and the guy in the truck next to me Nelson is a young guy that I really like. We work together well. We help each other brake jams from the boxes on the slide and when one of us is doing okay we will climb in the others truck and help. I also take him to the bus stop after work every night. Before I started working there he was walking 1 1/2miles to the bus stop after 4 or 5 hrs of hard ass work. I could not believe somebody never offered him a ride. Guess what Nelson is a black man(19years old) and working at UPS to put himself through college.

I don't like many things and when people say the man is out to get them it really pisses me off!!!!!!!!!!!1


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BIG RICK ROCK

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posted November 21, 2000 01:56 PM

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I just responded to your thread earlyer Checkmate,

READ THE WHOLE FUCKING THREAD!!!


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Natymike

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posted November 21, 2000 04:32 PM

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I stand by my statements, if someone is offended then its their right to be offended. I speak my mind when it comes to "racial discrimination" because I don't believe their is racial discrimination. For someone like recomme to say I don't like black people because I speak my mind is ignorance.

I am for equal opportunity, the goal of the NAACP is not equal opportunity, the goal is to give blacks special priveledges because of their color, and if they do not get the benefits, then its discrimination.

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