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 For Mr T. about drinking and driving
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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I just read your message from a while back replying to one of my messages. I put them both on here again because I am in disagreement with you. Why you say, well go to the bottom of this page and read over what you wrote, it says, "My point is, that law will not stop the real drunks. It will however make criminals out of social drinkers- " My fight to that is, it doesn't take a real drunk to kill someone in a car. It takes anyone who drinks and drives, like a "social drinker" for instance. If you drink you should not drive PERIOD. How can you justify jeoprodizing the life of my wife, or a family member. You can't justify it at all. I have NO sympathy for those people who get in trouble with the law when they are the ones that chose to drink and drive. This is for Matt. I bet you may change your mind if some drunk killed your wife, kids, family or a close friend. It never hits home until you have someone very special in your life taken from you because of someones drinking problem. I really think it should be an eye for an eye. The pathetic drunk kills someone, I feel he should be put to death the next day. Fuck the legal bullshit, this guy just took a life, kill the bastard! But instead, he is out in 2 years about to kill again. That is so wrong!! It happened to me and let me tell you, it hurt so badly because I was there when it happened and all I could do is watch her die. My girl friend of 3 years just taken from me in a second. The killer is out on the street still drinking and driving to this day. So I say you are without a doubt wrong with your answer. I support anything that has to do with getting people that drink and drive off the roads, anything!
[This message has been edited by Hotblood (edited November 15, 2000).]     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 910 |
i support SEVERE strengthening of DUI laws. i don't give a shit what your excuse is. and if you kill someone, you should have hell to pay... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 197 |
I honestly thank you for your support! | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 11 |
Let me start by saying that I am a bartender in a high volume bar. So I see drunks every night of the week. From my experiences the social drinkers are every bit as bad as the alcoholics. My bar is really laid back and we care about our customers so much in fact that myself and the other bartenders have driven people home, and have paid for cabs for people. I have had a DUI and I am glad that I did not hurt anybody. I will go to any length to prevent someone from drinkling and driving. In my experiences I have noticed that social drinkers are much more likely to drive than your typiocal alcoholics. Either way I feel for anybody who has lost someone or has had someone hurt by a drunken driver. I know that I do my best to keep people off the streets when I can. I know that some people have been shafted by DUI laws but for the most part I agree with tightening them up. You drink then you should not be behind the wheel and that is the bottom line. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 35 |
Hotblood, I know where your coming from. My wifes sister was killed by a drunk drver while on vacation in Florida a few years back. The killer was a sherif. The low life fucking drunk blew a red light and hit the car braod side.. all 4 people in the car where killed instantly. He got 30 months. How is that possible? Thats not an eye for an eye. Now I have a nephew growing up with no mother. WTF 30 months! for 4 lives | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 647 |
I think this is a no-brainer. All of the side issues of law and government aside, I don't see how anyone can advocate the operation of a vehicle in any state other than sobriety. I too have had friends either die or be severely injured as a direct result of drunk driving. Shit, many people are bad enough drivers while sober much less drunk or under the influence. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1124 |
It depends on your definition of social drinker. (Sorry to sound like Clinton here)If someone has 1 or 2 beers at a bar I dont think their lives should be turned upside down getting arrested for something they might do. And thats what these laws do, they arrest citizens before they actually do anything. (DUI) Part of the reaon why I am against these laws is the fact that recent research (which may have been on the link you speak of) suggests that just as many people are killed in this country by drowsy drivers. So in effect, we are focusing on some people who have a predispostion to commit a crime and ignoring others that have a predisposition to commit a crime. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1105 |
I remember seeing a 20/20 episode in which they tested Drunk drivers vs drowsy drivers, and the result was that they both had the same delayed reaction time and other symptoms related to drunk driving. I had a good friend fall asleep at the wheel and it was all over, but I guess there is no way to punish drowsy drivers, just educate. I think the bar is set too low, I'm sure many will disagree, but I feel the drunks killing people are just that DRUNK. You are not drunk with a .08, you may have a little buzz, but I don't see why you should be thrown in jail for a little buzz. And Before anyone flames me, yes I know people that have been killed by DD's, my Bro was hostpitalized for a while, and it was determined the drivers BAL was 3 times the limit. Everytime I hear that a DD killed someone on the news, they always end the story by saying that his BAL was twice the legal limit. I need a statistic of BAL levels in drunks that kill, I'm pretty confident that .08 will have a small percentage. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator 
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HotBlood, I responded to you in the original post. I know what it feels like to have someone close to you killed by a drunk driver. .08 will not solve anything. It is foolish to suggest it will. What may make a difference is harsher consequences, but not lowering the threshold. As we have all said, the punsihment for DWI and related crimes is too light. Start there. | ||
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Cool Novice
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Well put hotblood, I was talking with a friend tonite at the gym and he said say why don't you drink when you go out. I said i do when i have a DD. He said ah all you need is practice. I said sure ok...I said i'm not gonna lecture you cause freedom of choice rules and i can't stop you...i just hope when you drive drunk that you don't kill me. Then he went on and i finally said well when your brother was in a coma and almost died...not to mention the more than 500 stitches in his face alone...you will feel a little bit different about things. I don't think any of you can possibly understand the feeling i felt that nite when i watched my unconscious brother get wheeled into the emergency room covered in blood as to be unrecognizable unless it has happened to you. Now just imagine how another family would react when they find you killed their son or daughter. I think my friend may have actually stopped to think for a minute... i hope so. Drinking and driving isn't a joke and i hope you all reading this don't think that hot blood is a jerk. That nite, august 19, seven years ago not only did i almost lose my only brother, but he is also my best friend and without him i wouldn't know which direction to go. It's to bad he still didn't learn his lesson. junior | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 197 |
Junior, I am so glad to hear that I have people like you to support me on DD. I am very sorry to hear about your bro too. I just wish the people of this world would wake the fuck up and see what drinking and driving does to families. Being put in jail for 30 months after taking a life because of drinking is by no means correct. The asshole should do life, or die! It has been 13 years now that my girl friend was killed by a drunk driver, I just can't get it out of my mind. I guess what really hurts me about it is, I saw it happen and I never had the chance to tell her good-bye. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 54 |
I fuckin hate alcoholics and social drinkers are just as bad, If a drunk driver killed a faimly member I would want that mother fucker dead!! ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1868 |
HotBlood, I am very sorry for your loss. That is a terrible thing. But you said yourself that his punishment was insufficient for what he did. (Did you say he got 30 months? He should have gotten much more than that.) AND I AGREE TOTALLY. My point is that whatever the legal threshold was for drunk driving then (probably .10 or .08) did not cause him to be stopped by police before the collision. Lowering this number will not get the drunks off the road. It will only make life more difficult for someonme who had a few drinks but is perfectly fine to drive. My point is: The only way the amount of DWIs will decrease is if the penalties upon conviction get more severe. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1124 |
Yeah envy, those social drinkers are terrible. I think they worship Satan- | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 197 |
MattTheSkywalker, I know that lowering the level to .08 may not stop everyone from drinking and driving, but if it even stops one death then it was well worth it. You just have know idea how badly I hate people that drink and drive. These people do not care about anyone but themselves. |
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