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WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO INSULT THE INTEGRITY OF ONE MAN SUCH.SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS ARE JUST OUT OF LINE.TALKS OF ASSAULTING,AND MEANINGLESS INSULTS HAVE NO VIRTUE.NOW AS YOU KNOW I SUPPORT GORE,BUT NEVER HAVE I UNDERMINED BUSH IN ANY WAY.IVE NOTICED THE OTHER GORE SUPPORTERS ON THIS BOARD HAVE NOT DONE THIS EITHER.DO YOU FIND THAT A LITTLE BIT DISTURBING IF NOT IGNORANT?BOTH ARE FINE MEN,AND I RESPECT BOTH GREATLY.WHY DO THE MAJORITY OF BUSH SUPPORTERS FEEL THE NEED TO BE SO TEMPREMENTAL IN THIS MATTER?AND FOR THOSE COMPLAINING GORE IS WHINING AND A SORE LOSER,REALIZE ITS THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE DEMANDING EXAMINATION.IN MY OWN CITY ALONE THERE ARE 1200 PEOPLE,BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT PROTESTING RIGHT NOW.IN FACT THAT IS JUST WHERE I CAME FROM. ------------------
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ok i dont post here much but here goes: first you say that gore supporter have never insulted bush. yoo must be crazy! there a post that asked gore supporter why they supported him. not one logical answer, only insults. this election is not over. gore may have the popular vote now, but that could very well change by next thursday. There are millions of absentee votes, and most will be coming from men, and the military. this will only give bush more votes. gore has just lost New Mexico and is now undecided. as official results come in gore is losing ground in Iowa and Wisconsin. Just remember you are only seeing AP numbers on tv not the official numbers. what is sad if gore wins, is that he can fly from virginia to california and not even fly over a state that supports him. ![]() | ||
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I AGREE WITH YA STEEL. SOME OF THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN TOO EMOTIONAL IN THESE DEBATES WHICH MAKES THEM LOSE CREDIBILITY. I DON'T SUPPORT GORE THOUGH, THAT'S WHERE WE DIFFER. I SUPPORT HARRY BROWNE. ![]() | ||
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steel beast please inform us why you support al gore. by your previous post you should be able to do this without any insults. this will actually give you credibility when discussing these topics. i dont care that you support gore, but at least give a reasonable and logical answer. ![]() | ||
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You know weapon x, I think you've got a point there. The more I learn, the more democrats seem to work that way...'feel good politics'...nice words. ![]() | ||
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I made a post asking why people supported gore and I got only two or so responses that gave legitmate reasons for support. The rest were mindless dribble ![]() | ||
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OK ILL POST WHY I SUPPORT GORE.BEAR WITH ME ITS GOING TO BE A REALLY LONG POST. ------------------
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When a party has been out of power as in the case of the Republicans they are more energized than the party that has been in power to get it back. As far as supporting Gore let his record speek for itself. I refer you to the weekly edition of The Washington Post. Last month there were articles about both him and Bush and to be honest Bush's work history doesn't match up with Gore's. I'm pretty sure you can find it on the net. It's worth looking at, it definately changed my perspective on both of them. ------------------ ![]() | ||
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slabcat, I must question anyone's ascertion that Gore's work history is superior to Bush's. First of all, he has no private sector experience...none. The private sector is what makes this country work, not the federal government. Secondly, just because you're elected to an office does not make one an expert on anything. He has been privy to information as a Senator, but he hasn't DONE anything. Bush has in both the sports entertainment and oil industries. Also, as an aside, Gore flunked out of divinity school and barely made it through law school. Bush, a so-called dummy, has an MBA from Harvard. Plus he was a fighter pilot and believe me, fighter pilots are not dumbasses. ------------------ ![]() | ||
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slabcat the washington post is nothing but a liberal, gore supporting newspaper as is the rest of the media. ![]() | ||
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HERES TO THE GREAT AIR FORCE PILOT:To put it in perspective, here are 9 ways Bush got favored treatment in the service due to his political connections (he was then son of a Congressman and grandson of a former Senator): 1) He got into the Guard by pulling strings, avoiding the year and a half waiting list; 2) He took a 2-month vacation in Florida after just 8 weeks, (1 of 3 leaves), to work on a political campaign; 3) Bush skipped Officer Candidate School and got a special commission as a 2nd Lieutenant, without qualifications; 4) He was assigned to a safe plane (being phased out of active service), the F-102 ; 5) During flight school, he was flown on a government jet to Washington for a date with President Nixon's daughter Tricia ; 6) Bush got an illegal transfer (later overruled) to a base with no work; 7) He simply didn't show up for a YEAR, with no penalty; 8) George W. skipped all his medical exams after they started drug tests, and was removed from flight status; 9) He ended his service 10 months early to go to Harvard Business School;
1. Pulled Strings to Get In. Bush's unit commander, Col. "Buck" Staudt, was so excited about his VIP recruit that he staged a special ceremony for the press so he could have his picture taken administering the oath (even though the official oath had been given by a captain earlier.) Bush and his allies have tried to deny this with several changing stories, but Bush himself admits lobbying commander Staudt, who approved him, and court documents confirm that close family friend and oil magnate Sid Adger called Texas Speaker of the House Ben Barnes, who called General James Rose, the head of the Texas Air National Guard, to get Bush in. Rose, who is now dead, told his friend and former legislator Jake Johnson that "I got that Republican congressman's son from Houston into the Guard." Staudt's unit, the 147th, was infamous as a nesting place for politically connected and celebrity draft avoiders. Democratic Senator Lloyd Bentsen's son was in the unit, as was Republican Senator John Tower's, both of Sid Adger's sons and at least 7 members of the Dallas Cowboys. 2. Took a 2 month vacation in Florida after 8 weeks in the Guard. 3. Skipped Officer Candidate School and got a special commission as 2nd Lt. What made Bush's appointment doubly unusual was his total lack of special qualifications. This procedure was generally reserved for applicants with exceptional experience or skills, such as ROTC training or engineering, medical or aviation skills. Tom Hail, a historian for the Texas Air National Guard, reviewed the Guard's records on Bush for a special exhibit on his service after Bush became governor. Asked about Bush's direct appointment without special skills, Hail said "I've never heard of that. Generally they did that for doctors only, mostly because we needed extra flight surgeons." Charles Shoemake, an Air Force veteran who later joined the Texas Air National Guard and retired as a full colonel, said that direct appointments were rare and hard to get, and required extensive credentials. Asked about Bush, he said "His name didn't hurt, obviously. But it was a commander's decision in those days." Despite Bush Jr.'s weak qualifications, Col. Staudt was so excited about the direct appointment that he saged another special ceremony for the press, this time with Bush's father the congressman standing prominently in the background. The direct appointment process was discontinued in the 1970s. 4. Assigned to a safe plane -- the F-102 -- that was being phased out. Bush's campaign has even used his training on the obsolete plane to justify his early discharge, almost a year before his scheduled discharge, since other F-102 pilots were also being released early. But they can't answer the obvious question -- why spend so much money to train a National Guardsman for 2 years on a plane that was already being phased out, at a time when the Guard was letting F102 pilots leave early due to oversupply? 5. Celebrity Political Date. 6. Illegal, overruled transfer to a base with no work. Lt. Col. Reese Bricken, the unit's commander, told the Boston Globe "We met just one weeknight a month. We were only a postal unit. We had no airplanes. We had no pilots. We had no nothing." Even Albert Lloyd Jr., a retired Air Guard colonel who is helping the Bush campaign clarify the candidate's service, told the Globe he was mystified why Bush's superiors at the time would approve duty at such a unit. Lloyd was personnel director of the Texas Air Guard from 1969 to 1995. Now, the officer who did that has stepped forward and very directly admitted that he tried to get the easiest possible assignment for Bush. The personnel officer in charge of Bush's 147th Fighter Group, now-retired Col. Rufus G. Martin, says he tried to give Bush a light load when he told him to apply to the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron in Montgomery, Ala. Martin said in an interview that he knew Bush wasn't eligible for the 9921st, an unpaid, general training squadron that met once a week to hear lectures on first aid and the like. "However," he said, "I thought it was worth a try. . . . It was the least participation of any type of unit." 7. Just didn't show up for a year -- with no punishment. He later applied to transfer to a base that had no work; the transfer was first approved, then cancelled. Bush did nothing for several months; then in September he applied to transfer to Alabama's 187th Tactical Recon group for 3 months. This was approved, but the unit's commander, General William Turnipseed, and his then admnistrative officer, Kenneth Lott, have both said recently that Bush never showed up. "Had he reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do not," said Turnipseed. "I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered." Bush claims that he did some work in Alabama, but can't remember any details. �I can�t remember what I did,� he said. �I just�I fulfilled my obligation." Despite 2 years of searching through hundreds of records, his campaign has been unable to find any record of Bush's service there, nor could they find a single fellow serviceman who remembers his presence. The best they could produce was an ex-girlfriend from Alabama -- Emily Marks --who said George told her he would have to do some Guard duty later that year (1972) in Montgomery. But all that confirms is that he knew of his obligation. In December 1972, Bush returned to Houston and was scheduled to resume duty there. But in May 1973, Bush's supervising pilots wrote in his annual efficiency report: "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of the report" (i.e. through April 30, 1972). Bush described one of the supervisors, the late Col. Jerry Killian, as a personal friend, so it's likely he would have noticed Bush and given him the benefit of the doubt. Later that month, two special orders commanded Bush to appear for active duty. He served 36 days of active duty during May, June and July before leaving the Guard early. Amazingly, Bush was not disciplined in any way for his absence, and received an honorable discharge. Under Air National Guard rules at that time, guardsmen who missed duty could be reported to their Selective Service Board and inducted into the Army as draftees. 8. Skipped all his medical exams after they started drug tests. It was May, 1972 -- one month after the drug testing was announced -- that Bush stopped attending Guard duty. In August 1972, he was suspended from flight duty for failing to take his physical. (Click here to see the document.) A Bush campaign spokesman confirmed to the London Sunday Times that Bush knew he would be suspended. "He knew the suspension would have to take place." Bush never flew again, even though he returned to his Houston base where Guard pilots flew thousands of hours in the F-102 during 1973. The only barrier to him flying again was a medical exam (and his lack of attendance). Careful readers will recall that when Bush issued his partial denial of drug use, he said (or implied) that he hadn't used them since 1974, but he pointedly refused to deny drug use before then, i.e. during his military service. Several sources have also indicated that it was in December, 1972 -- 4 months after his medical suspension -- that a drunk Bush Jr. challenged his father to a fist fight during an argument over the son's drunk driving. (He had run over a neighbor's garbage cans.) Shortly thereafter, Bush Sr. arranged for his son to do community service at an inner city Houston charity. Bush's campaign aides first said he did not take the physical because he was in Alabama and his personal physician was in Houston. But flight physicals can be administered only by certified Air Force flight surgeons, and some were assigned at the time to Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, where Bush was living. The staff now admits that this explanation was wrong. 9. Left service 10 months early. Weasel words; his story keeps changing. Then there is his Clintonesque weaseling and word choice. Bush and his campaign claimed that no Bush family or friends pulled strings. Under pressure, this changed to "All I know is anybody named George Bush did not ask him [Ben Barnes] for help." By that he meant, himself or his dad. Of course, it later came out in court that a close Bush friend, Simon Adger, had asked Barnes to get Bush Jr. into the Guard, and that Barnes did so, via General Rose. Now's it's not even clear that a George Bush didn't ask for help. When pressed, the former president's spokeswoman (Jean Becker) said he is "almost positive" that he and Mr. Adger never discussed the Guard matter. "He [Bush Sr.] he is fairly certain - I mean he doesn't remember everything that happened in the 1960s..." In any case, Bush Sr. and Adger were very close. Ms. Becker acknowledged that "President Bush knew Sid Adger well. He loved him." Adger may have needed only a hint. Furthermore, George Bush Jr. admits that he knew Adger socially at the time, and further admits that he lobbied Col. "Buck" Staudt, the commander of the VIP unit Bush joined. Staudt claims that he, not General Rose (who he later replaced), was the one who made the decision on admissions anyway. Bush Jr. admits that he met Staudt in late 1967, during Christmas vacation of his senior year, called him later, and -- in Bush's words -- "found out what it took to apply." When asked how Bush came to call Staudt, his spokeswoman Karen Hughes said he "heard from friends while he was home over the Christmas break that ... Colonel Staudt was the person to contact." She says that Bush doesn't recall who those "friends" were. But we know that Sid Adger was also a friend of Staudt's, served with him on the Houston Chamber of Commerce's Aviation Committee, and in 1967 held a luncheon honoring Gen. Staudt and his unit for winning an Air Force commendation. In fact, both of Adger's sons also joined General Staudt's unit, in 1966 and 1968 respectively. Bush and his staff also claim that he vaulted ahead of the Air Guard waiting list because he was willing to fly an airplane, and there were openings. There is nothing to support this claim, however. For one thing, the F-102 was being phased out at the time and F-102 pilots were being released from service early, as indeed Bush himself was. And Tom Hail, a historian for the Texas Air National Guard, says flatly that there was no pilot shortage in the Guard squadron at that time. Bush's unit had 27 pilots at the time he applied; while they were authorized for 29 pilots, there were two more already in training and one awaiting a transfer. Bush also weasels on whether he was avoiding combat or not. He has stated on several occasions that he did not want to be an infantryman, and acknowledges that he came to oppose the war itself. He claims that he joined the guard to fly planes, and would have been happy to go to Vietnam, but ignores the obvious choice of the Air Force or the Navy -- which his dad, a genuine war hero, joined. Furthermore, when he signed up for the Guard, he checked a box saying "Do not volunteer for overseas service." Later, he made a perfunctory application to transfer to a program called "Palace Alert", which dispatched F-102 pilots to Europe or the Far East -- and just occasionally Vietnam -- for 3 or 6 month assignments. But Bush was not nearly qualified, as he must have known, and was immediately turned down, and the F-102 not used overseas after June, 1970 in any case. And, as noted above, his story also changed on why he refused to take a medical exam -- including a drug test - in 1972. (The refusal ended Bush's flying career.) His staff first claimed that he didn't take the physical because he was in Alabama and his personal physician was in Houston. But flight physicals can be administered only by certified Air Force flight surgeons, and there were surgeons assigned at the time to Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, where Bush was living. His staff now admits that that explanation was "wrong", without saying where it came from or what the real reason was. 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SB, they have both gotten support all their lives from powerful relatives. We all know this already. The question is why do you support the Dems on the issues. The reason I like Reps over Dems is because I am a Libertarian, and Reps lean more towards lower taxes and freedom. Those are widely known facts. If you go to the Libertarian home page they bash Gore for his outright lies that he supports "smaller government". But anyway, I'm sick of arguing why Reps are slightly less evil than Dems. I don't want either of them representing me. ![]() | ||
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IM STILL WORKING ON MY WHY I SUPPORT AL GORE MANIFESTO. ------------------
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d1734, how's this for a new mantra (my personal favorite): ALWAYS VOTE FOR YOUR AND YOUR NEIGHBOR'S FREEDOM. ------------------ ![]() | ||
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First thing the guard only meets once a month. So, he could go on a 2 month vacation anywhere he wanted. You are saying that bush is not qualified to be president, because he in essence dodged the draft, partied did drugs, got a dui. Well what has the current president done? And do you support him? I'll bet you say you don't. Bush served period. And don't tell me that if you had the same means that you wouldn't do whatever it took to ensure that your son was not killed in some meaningless war. You have told us why you do not support bush so why do you support gore. ![]() | ||
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In October, delegates to the AFL-CIO Convention overwhelmingly endorsed Vice President Al Gore in his bid for the presidency. The endorsement was based on Gore's positions on issues important to working families. In his seven years as a U.S. senator�from Tennessee, a state in the heart of the anti-union South�Gore voted in support of working families 88 percent of the time, according to AFL-CIO voting records. His record shows he stood with unions and their members to protect workplace health and safety, community wage standards, Medicare and Social Security. He worked to defeat attempts to bring back "company unions" and destroy the 40-hour week. Gore worked to fend off "paycheck deception" initiatives that would have silenced the voice of working people in the political arena. "He stood shoulder to shoulder with working men and women and our unions in fighting off the attacks of a radical Congress and fighting for the needs of working people and our children," AFL CIO President John Sweeney says. He also is a steadfast defender of the freedom of working people to choose to join unions to have a voice at work. As the AFL-CIO convention resolution endorsing Gore states: "More than any other national leader, Al Gore has used the power of his office to defend the freedom of workers to choose a union, free from interference by their employers, and he has repeatedly urged other elected officials to do so." "As president," Gore says, "I will be a voice for working families in everything I do and say. I believe the right to organize is a basic American right that can never be blocked�and that right needs to be strengthened today." 1. Both Al Gore and Joe Lieberman have a public record of support for legislation to improve our environment; they have been leaders at the federal level. 2. Al Gore's book, 'Earth in the Balance', demonstrates the depth of his knowledge and commitment to environmental issues and, in particular, an understanding of the underlying causes and cures for global warming, which is not only a national but an international issue. 3. Al Gore has been key in the Clinton Administration to obtaining White House support for critical environmental and conservation issues. 4. Al Gore is responsible for the appointment of Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Carol Browner and other EPA top officials who have demonstrated superior knowledge and leadership on federal environmental policy issues over the past 8 years. 5. Clinton/Gore environmental appointees at the national and regional level (and on the Supreme Court) have been responsive to citizen-initiated environmental issues. I remember previous administrations at the federal and state level where this was not true. (Need I remind people of James Watt, Ann Gorsuch or Becky Norton Dunlop or Antonin Scalia?) For these reasons, Al Gore is the only candidate who has made the environment a top priority during his service as an effective elected official. Sound Byte vs. Soundbyte: Deep Background:There are a number of very specific and clear steps taken by the Clinton administration that you can point to which assured continued economic growth: � Raised taxes on the rich and delayed a promised middle class tax cut in order to meet a deficit larger than projected by the Bush administration's Office of Management and Budget (OMB). These steps relieved the economy of significant inflationary pressure, relieved pressure on interest rates and helped keep the deficit in check. � Transferred Alice Rivlin from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) to the OMB. With Rivlin as director the CBO was far more accurate in its projections than OMB under Republican administrations. Since policy is based on OMB projections, the rosey numbers Reagan/Bush policies used led to higher deficits. The OMB is now an effective tool for planners rather than the political instrument it once was. � Appointed Bob Rubin as Secretary of Treasury and reappointed Alan Greenspan as Chairman of the Federal Reserve. Together they managed the economy, tightly controlling the money supply and currency valuation, while keeping interest rates comparatively low, allowing growth without inflation. � Derailed the radical departures offered by the Republican Congress in the 1995 budget crisis. In the winter of 1995 the President of the United States was the only person with the power to stop the Republican Congress from enacting its extremist agenda. Although the Republicans accused the Clinton OMB of using "phony numbers" history proved that the OMB's estimates were much closer to reality than the CBO's. Speaking of phony numbers, in his last days as Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich threatened to replace CBO officials if their estimates did not more closely reflect his own political ideological beliefs. � Skillfully out manuvered the Republican Congress in each of the subsequent budget negotiations. � Pushed a hike in minimum wage which helped sustain growth and strengthen the American market at a critical moment for the world's economy. � Maintained economic stability and supported international currencies throughout the Asian economic crisis. At the height of the Asian recession, the Clinton administration never panicked and, while the general perception was the world economy was circling the drain, skillfully mangaged to maintain confidence in the strength of the American economy and market. One hallmark of the Clinton administration's economic success is that the Asian economic crisis is largely forgotten today.
Deep Background: In 1995 Gore attended an event at a church in California. During the event some people raised money for the Democratic party. That by itself is not illegal but Gore attended as Vice President, not as Vice Presidential Candidate, and it was not reported as a fund raiser. The legal questions for Gore comes down to did the event qualify a fund raiser under the campaign finance laws and did he know that the event was a fund raiser. Gore makes the argument that he doesn't believe it was a fund raiser and in fact it was not technically a fund raiser and his participation was perfectly legal. Considering all the appearances Gore made in course of the 1996 campaign, a possible technical violation of campaign laws is the worst all the investigations uncovered, that's a pretty good record. Nearly every time the issue is brought up his opponents make an extra effort to point out that it was a Buddist temple. What is it Republicans have against Buddists? Does their religion disqualify them from political participation? Do Republicans only accept money from Christians? There are millions of devout and sincere Buddists living in the US, don't they have a right to participate in politics? Buddism is a major religion practiced by hundreds of millions world wide and millions in this country. Most religious Americans take their right to freedom of religion very seriously and most are tolerant and respectful of faith and beliefs of others and protectful of the religous rights of all their fellow Americans. Are the Republican's arguing that support from Buddists is somehow tainted because of their religious affiliation? Remember too that a fund raiser at a church, at worst a technical violation of the campaign finance laws, has no relation to the major issue of Campaign Finance, an issue the Republicans officially ignore. VRWC: Didn't Gore violate campaign finance laws in the 1996 presidential election by making fund raising calls from his office? And didn't he try to hide behind the accusations by citing some technical legal mumbo jumbo about the controlling legal authority? Sound Byte vs. Soundbyte: Al Gore did make fund raising calls from his office phone. The question is was that illegal? His accusers are arguing that he was technically in violation of a law which was passed for an entirely different purpose before telephones were even invented based on a related legal precedent that is not binding in the District of Columbia. As far as the "Controlling legal authority" quote goes, the accusation here a complex technicality and the only defense is also a legal technicality. He should have said that he didn't break the law and let it go at that. Deep Background: The law he is charged with violating barred politicing in Government buildings and was passed to prevent elected officials running for re-election from using their positions of power to influence Government employees to vote for them. The argument is that Gore violated this law by making campaign related phone calls from his office. VRWC: Shouldn't Gore and Lieberman be held accountable for Clinton's personal scandals? After all, Gore supported Clinton throughout the scandal and while Lieberman may have been the first democrat to criticize the President, he voted against impeachment.
He did make a verbal stumble in an interview on CNN when he said the legislation he worked on created the internet, he immediately clarified what he meant to say. Compared to the verbal stumbles of W. Bush, this was nothing. His political opponents jumped on this as evidence of dishonesty refusing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Deep Background: In a March 9, 1999 interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." He didn't even use the word "invent" to describe his contribution. What's lost in this entire discussion is the point that Al Gore was making. The internet we're using today evolved from a cold war era network designed to allow the military units, government contractors and research institutions to maintain reliable communications even in the event of a catastropic failure of the communications infrastructure caused by a nuclear attack. In the 60's the network was expaned with access opened to the general academic community. But there was very little public access, and almost no business or commerical activity. Hardly the backbone of the information superhighway that is impacting the fabric of American life. Early in the Reagan/Bush years while the "internet" was an expensive network used exclusively by government agencies, defense contractors and universities the Republican White House did not see the potential of the internet. It literally took an act of Congress to open internet access to the public for personal commercial use. It's that act, which Gore championed, that led directly to the creation of the information superhighway that internet has become. Al Gore did not create the internet or invent it, but the internet we're using to carry on this discussion today, bares little resemblance the network the republicans saw as a costly burden. Gore did take the initiative in passing the legislation that was required to allow the internet to become a major component of the American economy and to play a large part in the lives of millions of Americans. That's in the record, they can't take it away from him. If he hadn't championed the legislation someone else may have, maybe the following year or a few years later. Or maybe the internet would still be a quaint but expensive cold war legacy confined to the world of academia and government bureacracy.
W. Bush is very much a newcomer to the national spotlight and even public service. He's not accused of reinventing himself because he's still trying to invent himself. Responding to Bush�s charge that he favors bigger government, Gore said, �government should never be a barrier� to the new economy, and he promised to preside over �a smaller, smarter government that knows when to get out of the way and isn�t a drag on economic growth.� Source: Dan Balz, Washington Post, p. A10 Oct 28, 2000 Paying down debt reduces government intrusion Source: St. Louis debate Oct 17, 2000 After 8 years of prosperity, �you ain�t seen nothing yet.� Prosperity results from current policy plus entrepreneurship Source: Presidential debate, Boston MA Oct 3, 2000 Make hard choices to keep prosperity rolling Helping middle-class is goal of economic plan Lays out 10 goals in Prosperity for America�s Families plan Safeguard prosperity to reduce poverty Enable more families to save, own homes, and pay less tax Encourage �Retirement Savings Plus� accounts Confidence in markets & policy is basis for solid economy Economic slowdown would prompt Reinvention push Clinton-Gore budget concepts broke cycle of recession Low interest rates are a key to strong economy
Al Gore on Budget Surplus BUSH: I can�t let the man continue with fuzzy math. It�s $1.3 trillion, Mr. Vice President. And it�s going to go to everybody who pays taxes. I�m not going to be a pick-and-chooser. What is fair is everybody who pays taxes ought to get relief. Source: (X-ref Bush) Presidential debate, Boston MA Oct 3, 2000 Set aside $300B as a �Surplus Reserve Fund� $4.56 trillion spending plan for 10 years� budget surplus Set aside one-sixth of surplus in case rosy estimates fail Source: 191-page economic plan, �Prosperity for American Families� Sep 6, 2000 Free America from debt by paying down $3 trillion Use surplus to strengthen Social Security, Medicare Spend $164B surplus on Medicare, tax cuts, & debt Source: NY Times, p. 22 Apr 30, 2000 Pay off the national debt by 2013 Set aside 15-16% of budget surplus to fix Medicare Balance or surplus except in crises.
Al Gore on Oil & Energy Source: Associated Press Oct 16, 2000 Drilling ANWR too high a price for a few months of oil Source: (X-ref Bush) Presidential debate, Boston MA Oct 3, 2000 Tax incentives for development of renewable energy BUSH: I want to build pipelines to move natural gas. I want to develop coal resources. It�s an issue I know a lot about. I was a small oil person for a while. This is an administration that�s had no plan. And now, the results of having no plan have caught up with America. We�ve got abundant supplies of energy here, and we better start exploring it. There�s an interesting issue up in the Northwest, as well. And that is whether or not we remove dams that propose hydroelectric energy. I�m against removing dams in the Northwest. Source: Presidential debate, Boston MA Oct 3, 2000 Release oil from Strategic Petroleum Reserve These short-term measures are urgent and vital, but by themselves they are not enough. I�m proposing an energy security and environment trust, a commitment to a more prosperous economy powered by cleaner, cheaper and more reliable energy for families. Source: Speech to employees at Burchoil in Hollywood, MD Sep 21, 2000 $150B Energy Security and Environment Trust Fund Source: Associated Press Sep 12, 2000 Tax breaks for fuel efficiency will fuel prosperity New energy technology will lead to more prosperity Energy policy: focus on future tech & incentives ------------------
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Al Gore on Gun Control Focus on gun safety, not hunters & sportsmen GORE: All my proposals are focused on that problem: gun safety. None of my proposals would have any effect on hunters or sportsmen or people who use rifles. They�re aimed at the real problem. Let�s have a three-day waiting period, A cooling off, so we can have a background check to make sure that criminals and people who really shouldn�t have guns don�t get them. Source: (X-ref Bush) St. Louis debate Oct 17, 2000 Restrict guns from wrong hands, not sportsmen & homeowners Gun licensing by states, but no registration Source: Presidential Debate at Wake Forest University Oct 11, 2000 No special lawsuit protection for gun makers Mandatory background checks & child safety locks Agrees with Bush on banning weapons; but wants registration Nationally mandated, state-run system of photo licensing Take on the NRA with presidential leadership Source: Democrat debate in Los Angeles Mar 1, 2000 Passed toughest gun control in 30 years; same for next 30 BRADLEY: What you�ve seen is an elaborate �Gore Dance.� It is a dance to avoid facing up to your conservative record on guns. It is a dance that denies the fact that you do not support registration and licensing of all handguns, but you want to give the impression of that, so you say, �I�m for licensing of all mmmm-handguns.� What does that mean? It means, �I�m for licensing of all new handguns,� only new. Not the 65 million that are out there. GORE: I support a complete ban on junk guns, assault weapons, and yes, I support photo license I.D.�s for the purchase of all new handguns when somebody goes down to the gun store. Source: (X-ref from Bradley) Democrat debate in Harlem, NYC Feb 21, 2000 Maximize gun control within what�s politically possible BRADLEY: [You�re saying], essentially, that it�s too difficult to do. The essence of leadership is taking something that is difficult and making it possible [by] engaging the American people. Source: (Cross-ref. from Bradley) Democratic Debate in Durham, NH Jan 5, 2000 Counter gun lobby with �family lobby� to shield kids Voted against some gun limitations while in Congress Supports background checks at gun shows, in tie-breaker Supports Brady Law and ban on assault weapons ------------------
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$500B to people earning under $100K; via 30 targeted cuts In the fierce debate over tax cuts between Gore and Bush, one fact has gone unnoticed: Both men would allocate roughly the same amount of money-$500 billion over nine years-to people making less than $100,000 a year. The other $800 billion of Bush�s tax cut, including repeal of the estate tax, would mostly go to people in the wealthiest tax brackets. Gore offers virtually nothing for taxpayers making that much money. Gore selectively targets his tax cuts to married couples and families-single, childless Americans are generally ignored-and also offers credits to nearly 30 million of the working poor who have little or no tax liability. Gore has proposed about 30 targeted tax cuts, generally in four areas: retirement savings, health care, education and the environment. Bush, instead, emphasizes cutting tax rates, especially the highest rates, so that most of the cuts flow to the people who pay most of the taxes. Source: Glenn Kessler, Washington Post, p. A10 Oct 17, 2000 Federal matching funds for poor and middle class savings Except for wealthiest, exempt people from estate tax Source: St. Louis debate Oct 17, 2000 Claim that every family is eligible for tax cut is unlikely An accounting firm assessed how Gore�s proposals would affect hypothetical families, and their report found that the following would receive no tax breaks: Cut taxes for 99% of middle class, not the wealthiest 1% GORE: I agree that the surplus is the American people�s money. That�s why I don�t think we should give nearly half of it to the wealthiest 1%, because the other 99% have had an awful lot to do with building our prosperity. Source: Presidential debate, Boston MA Oct 3, 2000 Target surplus at national debt, rainy days, & education End marriage penalty; reform estate tax; targeted cuts Source: Speech, �Prosperity For America�s Families,� Cleveland, OH Sep 6, 2000 Lower taxes for working families with targeted tax reform Tax cuts to benefit middle-class, not just the rich Don�t eliminate gas tax; ask oil interests to charge less Source: AP article in Washington Post Jul 3, 2000 Eliminate the marriage penalty for working families $500B in tax cuts targeted to working families Help caregivers with tax reform, nursing home alternatives $250B over 10 years in targeted tax cuts Save Social Security, Medicare, and address debt before cuts Rules out tax increase in good economic times Eliminate estate taxes for the little guy, not the wealthy
Al Gore on Critique of Bush tax plan Impossibly large tax cut will yield big debt and recession Source: Remarks at Portland (OR) Community College Oct 31, 2000 We both target our tax cuts: Bush targets the rich Source: Remarks at Portland (OR) Community College Oct 31, 2000 Comparison of wealthy tax cut to middle class exaggerated Source: NY Times analysis of St. Louis debate Oct 19, 2000 Single wealthy person�s tax cut equal to roomful of people BUSH: Fifty million Americans get no tax relief under his plan. GORE: That�s not right. BUSH: And you may not be one of them; you�re just not one of the right people. GORE: That 50 million figure, the journalists are the keepers of the scorecard and whether or not you�re using facts that aren�t right. And that fact is just not right. Source: (X-ref Bush) St. Louis debate Oct 17, 2000 Claim that Bush benefits �top 1%� only true with estate tax Gore has applied CTJ�s figure of 42.6% to the $1.3 trillion value that Bush gives his tax cut, and comes up with $546 billion in tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%. And he contrasts that with the roughly $475 billion in Bush�s spending initiatives. But if the estate tax is REMOVED from the equation, Bush�s tax cut falls to $1.06 trillion and CTJ says 30% of it goes to the wealthiest 1%. That totals $318 billion, about $157 billion less than Bush�s new spending initiatives. Source: Presidential Debate, Boston Globe, �Number Crunch�, p. A15 Oct 11, 2000 Yes, it�s your money-but it�s your programs too Too large a tax cut would wreck economy & military readiness Source: Frank Bruni, NY Times Aug 23, 2000 Bush�s tax cut gives average family only 62 cents I�ll fight for tax cuts that go to the right people - to the working families who have the toughest time paying taxes and saving for the future. I�ll fight for a new, tax-free way to help you save and build a bigger nest egg for your retirement. I�m talking about something extra that you can save and invest for yourself. Something that will supplement Social Security, not be subtracted from it. Source: Speech to the Democratic National Convention Aug 18, 2000 Bush�s tax plan is �economic snake oil� $792B tax cut is a �risky tax scheme� ------------------
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2 can play this game. WASHINGTON, DC -- Al Gore uttered, well, an "Al Goreism" when he claimed to support smaller government, says the party that exemplifies smaller government. "Al Gore saying he supports smaller government is like Bill Clinton saying he supports celibacy. It's a nice theory, but it's not going to happen," said Steve Dasbach, Libertarian Party national director. "No matter how you measure it -- total cost, number of employees, or number of regulations -- Al Gore has helped make the federal government bigger. And he will make it even bigger if he is elected president. For that matter, so will George W. Bush. The only question for both of them is how big and how costly." In a campaign speech in Little Rock, Arkansas on Tuesday, Gore said allegations that he favors "big government" are false. "I'm opposed to big government," said Gore. "I'm for a smaller, smarter government." Gore claimed that as vice president, he helped reduce the federal workforce by 300,000 employees (to only 1.8 million). He also promised that, if elected president, the "number of people doing work for the federal government" would not grow. But Gore's claims don't pass the "Thomas Jefferson Test," said Dasbach. "A genuinely smaller government -- as envisioned by the Founding Fathers such as Thomas Jefferson -- would cost less, employ fewer people, and regulate our lives less," he said. "By almost every measurable standard, Al Gore consistently works to make the government bigger, more expensive, and more intrusive." For example: * Gore has helped increase the number of government workers. "Gore's claim that he reduced the federal workforce is only true if you count just salaried employees -- and ignore contract workers, people employed by federal grants, and state and local government employees fulfilling federal mandates," said Dasbach According to the Brookings Institution's book, The True Size of In fact, according to Brookings, 90,000 non-Defense Department, non-Energy Department federal jobs were added during the Clinton/Gore administration -- while a whopping 240,000 such jobs were added during the previous Republican administration. * Gore wants to further increase the cost of the federal government. According to Citizens Against Government Waste, Gore has proposed $2.7 trillion in new federal spending over the next decade. And George W. Bush has proposed at least $760 billion in new spending. "Both Gore and Bush want to dramatically increase the cost of government," noted Dasbach. "Gore is currently ahead in the I-Want-To-Spend-More-Of-Your-Money sweepstakes, but there's no reason to believe that Bush, backed up by a budget-busting Republican Congress, wouldn't catch up fast, were he elected." * Gore has helped increase the number of federal regulations. During the Clinton/Gore administration, 14,167 new federal regulations were implemented between 1997 and 2000, according to Doug Bandow of the Cato Institute. And there are at least 137 new Clinton/Gore regulations currently moving through the pipeline that will cost at least $100 million each. In all, federal regulations now cost Americans $758 billion a year, according to Thomas Hopkins of the Rochester Institute of Technology -- a price tag equivalent to about 45% of the federal budget. If you look at Al Gore's record and promises, a clear pattern emerges, said Dasbach. "Al Gore and big government go together like, well, Al Gore and lying," he said. "Gore supports more big-government workers, more big-government spending, and more big-government regulations. In short, he supports big government. And that's true no matter what your definition of 'big' is." However, Americans who want a genuinely smaller government need look no further than Harry Browne, the Libertarian Party's presidential candidate, said Dasbach. "A vote for Harry Browne is the only vote you can cast for a government that is clearly, measurably, and unequivocally smaller," he said. "A vote for Harry Browne is a vote to end the income tax, to completely privatize retirement accounts, and to end the insane War on Drugs. "That's because with Libertarians, smaller government really means smaller government. But with Al Gore, smaller government is simply his big-government Lie Of The Day." ![]() | ||
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Bush�s tax plan is �economic snake oil� Al Gore today ridiculed Bush for proposing an economic plan laced with �economic snake oil,� a plan with a tax cut that Mr. Gore said was so reckless even the Republicans in Congress had better sense than consider it. �Governor Bush�s tax scheme is so risky, so reckless, that just yesterday the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, given an opportunity to vote for it, turned it down, turned the other way, said we don�t want to even cast a vote on that thing,� Gore said. Source: Katharine Q. Seelye, New York Times Mar 17, 2000 Then why do nearly 100% of economists support George W Bush?? Good luck explaining that one. $792B tax cut is a �risky tax scheme� Don't you get it? Gore supports higher taxes. How come every tax cut proposed is a "risky tax scheme"? Bush�s tax cut gives average family only 62 cents This is an out and out lie. It saves the average family $1,500. This is a widely known fact. I have posted this in many other threads where I made fun of Al Gore and his countless lies. You must not have read those posts... I�ll fight for tax cuts that go to the right people - to the working families who have the toughest time paying taxes and saving for the future. I�ll fight for a new, tax-free way to help you save and build a bigger nest egg for your retirement. I�m talking about something extra that you can save and invest for yourself. Something that will supplement Social Security, not be subtracted from it. Who are the "right people"? The ones that sit on their ass collecting freebies all day? Social security IS a pyramid scheme. It is stealing from one to give to another. You are proud to support a candidate that support this ridiculous Lockbox crap where the person CAN'T EVEN INVEST THEIR OWN MONEY?? SORRY BUT 2% INTEREST DOESN'T CUT IT. 2. Al Gore's book, 'Earth in the Balance', demonstrates the depth of his knowledge and commitment to environmental issues and, in particular, an understanding of the underlying causes and cures for global warming, which is not only a national but an international issue. Scientists have yet to come to any real conclusion on global warming. Speculation is a word you can use to describe his work, also. �The other side has placed its top priority on taking virtually all of this projected surplus and giving it all in the form of a giant tax cut, mainly to the wealthy,� Gore said. Yet another lie. After Bush's tax cut plan the wealthiest 1% pay 64% of the taxes. Right now they pay 62%. Comparison of wealthy tax cut to middle class exaggerated HAHAHA. Did you even read your own post?? This is not from me, but from you. Your own post bashes Al Gore. Claim that every family is eligible for tax cut is unlikely An accounting firm assessed how Gore�s proposals would affect hypothetical families, and their report found that the following would receive no tax breaks: Your own post bashes Al Gore again... Gore has proposed about 30 targeted tax cuts, generally in four areas: retirement savings, health care, education and the environment. Can you say Socialism? The other $800 billion of Bush�s tax cut, including repeal of the estate tax, would mostly go to people in the wealthiest tax brackets. Gore offers virtually nothing for taxpayers making that much money. Can you say Socialism? Save Social Security, Medicare, and address debt before cuts All these programs need to be abolished... Help caregivers with tax reform, nursing home alternatives Giveaways to the elderly...
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100% OF ECONOMISTS?HMM EVEN THE ECONOMISTS THAT HELPED GORE PUT TOGETHER HIS ECONOMIC PLAN?I LOVE 100% FIGURES,BECAUSE 100% OF THE TIME THEY ARE PULLED OUT OF THIN AIR. ------------------
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SB, don't worry I will find my source. I will rebut every point you made within a few hours ![]() | ||
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A 1996 study by the Roper Center for the Freedom Forum found that 89% of Washington, D.C., journalists voted for Bill Clinton in 1992. Contrast this with the 43% of Americans who voted for Clinton. How many D.C. journalists voted for George Bush? 7%. Similar pols document the lopsided, left-leaning nature of the newspapers all across the country. Political scientist Stanley Rothman and S. Robert Lichter, the heads of the nonpartisan Center for Media and Public Affairs, conducted a 1980 survey of journalism students. According to that survey, only a third of Columbia University journalism students beleived the free enterprise system fair to workers. And a whopping 40% believed in government ownership of corporations! 85% described themselves as liberals. That was approximately twenty years ago. Assuming these men and women continued in their field, they now run newspapers as editors and television stations as directors and managers. Scary, ain't it? from the book, "The Ten Things You Can't Say in America". All of these claims are well sourced. As for the economists statement, still looking for the source but I will find it. ![]() | ||
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ONE WORD FOR YOUR POST WEAPON X.......................S P E C U L A T I O N ------------------
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Check my updated post SB. I gotta go workout, I will be back later. I WILL also find that source for you, give me time thouh because I forgot where I saw it. ![]() | ||
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As we all know minimum wage increases are a great agenda for the liberals and socialists. Read this. About the only economic experts who still believe in increasing minimum wage are those who work for the Clinton administration. David Card and Alan Krueger, both of Princeton, authored a study "proving" that minimum wage hikes do not hurt employment.... But, when other researchers tried to duplicate the results, they could not. Turns out that those working for Card and Kruger simply picked up the telephone and asked employers whether they intended to increase, decrease, or keep employment flat. Researchers seeking to duplicate the results of Card and Krueger went one step further. They requested payroll cards in order to verify employment. When researchers requested payroll cards, the non[effect of hiking minimum wage completely dissapeared. in fact, both Pennsylvania and New jersey suffered a decrease in employment folling their minimum wage hike. In 1981, the federal Minimum Wage Study Commission concluded that a 10% increase in minimum wage reduces teen employment by 1-3%. Other studies by top economists confirmed these results. Nobel laureate economist Gary becker, after reviewing the Card-Krueger study concluded that "the Card-Krueger studies are flawed and cannot justify goin against the accumulated evidence from many past and present studies that find sizable negative effects of higher minimums on employment." Still, Clinton allies use the Card-Krueger study to promote increases in minimum wage, and the media routinely cites the study's results without mentioning other academicians' opposition. Again, as mentioned, nearly 90% of economic experts polled believe minimum wage undermines employment. Suppose 90% of cardiovascular surgeons beleived triple bypass operations to be unnecessary. The nightly news leads with that story. But, when economists, nearly unanimously, oppose minimum wage, big deal. [This message has been edited by d1734 (edited November 10, 2000).] ![]() | ||
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Damn Steel your one typing MOFO! Republicans are more quick to point fingers & ------------------ ![]() | ||
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Snoopdog, Damn Steel your one typing MOFO! He copied and pasted... Republicans are more quick to point fingers & Show me some evidence, it is exactly the opposite. Take a look at steel's post and my thorough rebuttal, and tell me who is winning.. ![]() | ||
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HMMMMMMMMM.THE VOTE IS QUESTIONABLE. ------------------
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um ok,,,Steel is winning. ------------------ ![]() | ||
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Whatever, you are a waste of my time. And like I said, want to show me any evidence that a socialist system works better than a Libertarian system? Bring it on, or STFU. Another thing to add, want to see Democrats using emotion? My evidence is in the thread "Gore got 93% of the black vote". Check it out, I called out those that used emotion pretty well. [This message has been edited by d1734 (edited November 11, 2000).] ![]() | ||
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d1734, I believe I just read that you are only 17,,,,WTF??You post here 24/7???do I have to mention again that your only 17? Not trying to flame you but when I was 17 I was out fighting & fucking every night!Im 28 now & still partying.You should be out mixing it up & atleast trying to get laid Bro.To many long posts that are worhtless..opinions are like assholes-everybody has one...
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WE HAVE A NEW WINNER!!!! weapon x-REGISTERD SEPT.2000-POSTS-1141 DONT EVEN TRY TO FRONT LITTLE MOFO I SAW YOUR PICS..SAD SAD SAD..YOU LOOK LIKE A CHILD MOLESTER OR SOMETHING.......... ![]() | ||
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I don't like how Denmocrats are using the holier than though approach. Bush's brother should have backed out of the Florida proceedings and that's OK with them. Now they have a Democratic judge making injunctions and her husband that was appointed by Clinton and they are Gore supporters. When you ask a democrats on TV they say there is no problem here ? The judge is just doing her job and you can trust us because we are honest but the Rebuplicans are out to get you is basically what they are saying. We have a voting system in place they know the flaws if it was a big concern they should have taken it more seriously before hand not after they lose. I'm sorry but I trust the machine more than a hand count. I also think it is a miracle that Gore needed 2000 votes to win the election and low and behold that is what he ended up with in the recount. The democrats are for more government. The government is so big they fuck up everything they touch and they can't even run an election anymore. You Democrats can be happy though because they won't give up until Gore is in the White House because it is the "people's will" and has nothing to do with what they want. Just watching the TV I have more respect for the Rebuplicans than the Democrats and I really doubt I vote Democrat the rest of my life after all this Bullshit. ![]() | ||
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Snoopdog, I will readily admit I have no life right now. It's a long-ass story so I won't get started. Right now all I do is eat, workout, sleep, and sit in front of the computer. But don't think I'm a computer nerd or something. I'm 5'10" 187 @ approx 10%. I'm on a huge cycle right now, will prob approach 210 by the end of it. The reason I got angry at you was because I just had this feeling you weren't looking at the issue with an open mind. The Libertarian position would affect my life greatly if it came to pass, and make things soooo much easier for me. That's why I take this so seriously. I would like to party more, but to be honest, I've learned too much to just recklessly go about "fucking & partying". If that is all you knew at the time, I understand, but I've just learned too much at this point. This summer I hope I can show off my body, gonna be on the juice about 3/4 of the time till then. Anyway, don't take anything I say personally. I get mad like everyone else. As for what you said about Weapon X, cut him some slack. So he doesn't have the most impressive physique. At least he is trying, and we all aren't blessed with great genetics. But lay off the personal attacks man. Anyway take it easy. ![]() | ||
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NEW FOUND RESPCT FOR D1734'S HONESTY,THANKS... [This message has been edited by Snoopdog (edited November 12, 2000).] ![]() | ||
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WEAK COME BACK "LITTLE" WEAPON XXXXX.. REALLY IM JUST FUCKING BORED TODAY.. NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN TO START SOME SHIT,, ![]() | ||
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OK IM LEAVING NOW...WONT BE BACK TIL TOMORROW OR MAYBE LONGER......UNLIKE YOU I HAVE A LIFE..FEEL FREE TO FLAME ME WEAPON X (LITTLE MAN) BUT PLESE BE GENTLE,,IM SENSETIVE ![]() | ||
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D1734, good posts. The Libertarians are just about right on with most of their insights. Steel, some good points too. Can't ignore all of it.
A little tax history: As recently as 25 years ago, top tax brackets were up to 70%. But there were many many deductions to circumvent this. During the Reagan presidency the rates were lowered all the way to the high 20%'s, but many of the deductions were taken away. There were still numerous deductions for owning property and employing people. George HW Bush pledged "no new taxes" but he raised them a little anyway. In his defense, we prepared for and fought a war during his Presidency. Although the war was only 100 hours, the preparation was months. Preparing to fight an armored conflict is not cheap. During peacetime, it is not uncommon for a few tanks or Bradley vehicles to be "deadlined" or not quite ready for mission. This is supposed to be fixed ASAP, but spare parts can be a little hard to come by. During a mobilization, spare parts are everywhere, because the money is allocated for the impending war. And then there is the considerable expense of moving all the equipment aroud the world. So yes, Bush put taxes back over the 30% level, to about 33%. But I'll give him a pass because of the war. Hard to predict. Clinton's administration brought taxes to their current level. He raised taxes mnore than either Reagan or Bush. But the real bitch of it is that most deductions that existed have been removed. There are far fewer deductions for owning a company or properties. It is a fully logical conclusion that Gore will not lower taxes at all. Another thing that bothers me about Gore is his claim that "we are the best trained and equipped military in the world". The man has no understanding of military readiness. First, all conventional Army units are short staffed, some by as much as 40%. More importantly, and more troubling, General John Coburn, chief of Army Maintenace and Operations, just sent a letter to General Eric Shinseki, Army Chief of Staff, painstakingly detailing the shortcomings predicted for fiscal year 2001. Some of the highlights include: inability to perform required maintenance on Apache, Kiowa Warrior, and Blackhawk helicopters, and the PARTIAL to FULL grounding of the entire Chinook fleet. There is also no funding for upgraded suits to decrease risk of injury from landmines, and a severe lack of funding to continue any automation of battelfield systems. In other words, no new communication equipment. Gore is without a doubt out of touch with our fighting men and women. During the Clinton administration, the Army decreased in size 40% but deployments went up 300%. I can tell you morale is low. Bush may not be General Patton, but he's got a Sec. of Defense for his running mate, and stays in touch with Gen. Powell. Anyone who gies a rat's ass about our military cannot cast an informed vote for Gore. ![]() | ||
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If you support Gore you want to be a "quota". Gore wants homosexuals placed in the Boy Scouts. don't go there with me, Gore's delegates spit on the Scouts that were doing the flag raising at the demo convention and they were not escorted out. Nuff said on that issue. Do you really want to know about taxes? Go to taxclarity.com. It has both of their proposed tax bills there in detail. Even a sample fill it out and then tell me which one you like. I live in Tennesee and Gore hasn't helped us in any fashion and in fact over the last 4 years the budget for environmental cleanup has been reduced each year. These reason alone are why I am against Gore at all odds and I am a democrat. ------------------ ![]() | ||
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SteelBeast, I know you have a response for me. Tell me something good about Gore and the military, especially since you were thinking of joining. Tell me something good about Gore's tax plan, in light of the last 20 years. Remember, don't bash Bush, just support your guy. ![]() | ||
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Steel, I want to hear your response. I will bump this until you do. ![]() | ||
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Steel, I am bumping this yet again. ![]() |
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