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Dirk Diggler

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posted October 21, 2000 07:32 AM

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from the http://www.Federalist.com/

THE FINAL DUHBATE

And the winner is ... the American people, who survived three
stupefying stage shows featuring a repetition of dullard scripts
regurgitated by a first-class prevaricator and a fourth-class orator.
Don't get us wrong, The Federalist understands the critical pragmatic
arguments for electing Mr. Bush, but Gee Wiz, G.W. -- couldn't you
turn loose at least one or two memorable lines in 4.5 hours of
rhetorical wasteland?

Mr. Bush's selection of Dick Cheney notwithstanding, the "Show Me"
State debate left conservatives still looking for some meaningful sign
that he is more than just an honest, affable dupe -- that he really
understands federalism and the need for tax reform, that he will not
fold when it comes to appointing Supreme Court Justices who will
uphold the letter of our Constitution, that he knows anything short of
a clear conservative vision leaves in great peril the liberty bought
with American patriots' blood.

Ronald Reagan won the presidency twice -- paving the way for George
the elder -- not on prerecorded soundbites but by articulating sound
conservative ideas. Additionally, it is oft forgotten that Ronald
Reagan won a landslide victory to become Governor of California -- the
Left Coast breeding ground of socialists and Hollywood -- and then won
re-election, espousing the same conservative principles that would
land him in the White House.

Supporting the elder Bush's campaign in 1988, President Reagan said,
"If we're to finish the job, Reagan's regiments will have to become
the Bush brigades." They did, but GHW Bush turned in the face of a
liberal assault and retreated through his own lines. Now, the minor
Mr. Bush has largely failed to unfurl the conservative banner, hoping
instead, like his father before him, for a truce. But Algoristas will
only tolerate unconditional surrender.

After all the analytical dust has settled from St. Louis, one may
fairly conclude that George Bush's greatest weakness was that he is
unable to articulate the conservative principles of the Republican
platform, while Albert Gore's greatest weakness was that he is able to
articulate the ideology of the Sociocrat platform.

For the record...

Here is how The Federalist's debate coach would have directed Mr. Bush
to answer a few of Mr. Gore's verbatim comments Tuesday night --
rather than staring at him with that "deer in the headlights" mien
which has earned Bush the handle, "Duh-bya."

For openers, as Mr. Bush started to answer the first question, Al Gore
got out of his seat and walked up behind Bush in a choreographed move
to violate Bush's space and throw him off message -- a move that
worked for Clinton in his debate with Bob Dole. Mr. Bush, distracted,
turned and gave Gore "a look." He should have then asked, "Did
somebody push the wrong button?"

Gore: "For the last eight years, I have had the challenge of running
the streamlining program called Reinventing Government. And if there
are any federal employees in this group, you know what that means. The
federal government has been reduced in size by more than 300,000
people, and it's now the smallest number that we have had since -- the
smallest in size since John Kennedy's administration."
Bush: "Albert, two-thirds of the cuts have come from our military
forces, which you have now stretched thin around the world. And,
according to the Congressional Budge Office, people at the bottom of
the pay scale have been pushed out the door while the Clinton-Gore
Administration added 14 new layers of bureaucracy. As a result, for
the first time in history, senior-level and middle-level employees
outnumber lower level employees -- a model bureaucracy."

Gore: "For the last eight years, I've been on the National Security
Council. And last week I broke off -- I suspended campaigning for two
days or parts of two days to go back and participate in the meetings
that charted the president's [Middle East summit strategy]." Bush:
"So, he sacrificed 'parts of two days' from his political campaign
because the Clinton-Gore foreign policy in the region is about to turn
the deserts of the Middle East into molten glass."

Gore: "You know, we won that conflict in Kosovo without losing a
single human life in combat, a single American life in combat."
Bush: "That conflict in Kosovo is not 'won,' but merely contained.
Most of those Muslim refugees will never be able to return to the
region."

Gore: "When I graduated from college, there were plenty of fancy ways
to get out of going [to Vietnam] and being a part of that."
Bush: "Apparently there were some 'fancy ways' to get special
permission to come home seven months early and flunk out of divinity
school."

Gore: "None of my proposals would have any effect on hunters or
sportsmen or people who use rifles."
Bush: "The Second Amendment does not mention 'hunters and sportsmen.'
Our Founders did mention the fact that a free people must possess the
means to defend themselves against tyranny. George Washington said, 'A
free people ought to be armed.' Even Democrat Vice President Hubert
Humphrey, a man who served in an era Mr. Gore longs to return to,
said, 'The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee
against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny
which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved
to be always possible'."

Gore: "Now, under my plan, we will balance the budget every year. I'm
not just saying this. I'm not just talking."
Bush: "Gore's total spending in the first five years of his
administration comes to $2.2 trillion, three times my $712 billion in
spending, and Gore's plan will create $800 billion in deficit
spending. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget
reports that Gore's plan would "produce the largest spending increases
since LBJ and the Great Society. And, while we are on the subject of
deficits, why don' we talk about our nation's 'moral deficit'."

Gore: "Instead of high unemployment [before Clinton-Gore] we now have
very low unemployment nationally."
Bush: "The New York Times, not a member of the Vast Right-Wing
Conspiracy, reported last week, 'Economists and business executives
say, much of what happened to the economy in the 1990s had little to
do with Washington and was part of a process that began before Mr.
Clinton and Mr. Gore took office'."

Gore: "He proposes spending more money for a tax cut just for the
wealthiest one percent than all of the new money than he budgets for
education, health care, and national defense combined."
Bush: "Mr. Gore repeated that lie in the first and second debates. It
is still a lie."

Gore: "I'm for a massive reform of the estate tax or the death tax."
Bush: "My opponent only wants reform for the 'right people,' and even
then, only if they exhibit the right behavior."

Gore: "If you want somebody who will fight for you and who will fight
to have middle class tax cuts, then I am your man. I want to be."
Bush: "Shortly after taking office, Al Gore cast the tie-breaking vote
on the largest tax increase in U.S. history, including $115 billion in
higher personal income taxes, $31 billion in higher gasoline taxes,
$25 billion in higher taxes on Social Security benefits, and $29
billion in more Medicare taxes."

Gore: "I think that the special interests have too much power, and we
need to give our democracy back to the American people."
Bush: "According to the Los Angeles Times, my opponent has collected
more campaign donations from lobbyists than any other presidential
candidate. Even the Boston Globe reports that many of Gore's friends,
former aides, and senior campaign advisers work as lobbyists and
strategists for corporate clients who often get access to the White
House and Gore's office."

Gore: "Here are some promises that I'll make to you now. I will
balance the budget every year. I will pay down the debt every year."
Bush: "Promises, Mr. Vice President? Your budget will increase the
U.S. gross debt to $40 trillion by 2050 as a result of the Social
Security IOUs you would leave in that unfunded 'trust'."

Gore: "Parents now feel like you have to compete with the mass culture
in order to raise your kids with the values that you want them to
have. ... I'll tell you this: I want to do something about this...I
will do something to help you raise your kids without that garbage."

Bush: "Did I mention the 'moral deficit' that Clinton-Gore left for
parents and their children to clean up? Government ought to stand on
the side of parents for a change. The popular culture often undermines
the values parents are trying to teach their children -- and that's
especially true for the television, music and movie industries from
whom Mr. Gore has taken $13.6 million in campaign contributions."

Closing remarks:

Gore: "I'd like to tell you something about me. I keep my word. I have
kept the faith.
I've kept the faith with my country. ... I have kept the faith with
our country. Nine times I have raised my hand to take an oath to the
Constitution, and I have never violated that oath. I have not spent
the last quarter century in pursuit of personal wealth."

Bush: "Speaking of telling the truth, I never heard my opponent's
answer to his colleague Bill Bradley's question, 'Why should we
believe you will tell the truth as President if you don't tell the
truth as a candidate?' Al Gore promised that Medicare would be
reformed, and that Social Security would be reformed. He promised a
middle class tax cut in 1992. It didn't happen. Instead, my opponent
has 'spent the last quarter century in pursuit of' political power.
Should I be fortunate enough to become your president, when I put my
hand on the Bible, I will swear to not only uphold the laws of the
land, but I will also swear to uphold the honor and the dignity the
office to which I have been elected, so help me God."

In conclusion, The Federalist Editorial Board would like nothing more
than for the next administration to be so adept at canonizing
constitutional policy positions that the Brief and Digest would be
obsolete. Unfortunately, based on the plethora of opportunities Mr.
Bush missed to contrast conservative positions with Gore's advocacy of
an ever-larger central government, our mission and future will be
secure if (and long after) Mr. Bush is elected.


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MattTheSkywalker

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posted October 21, 2000 10:49 PM

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Thanks Dirk.
Back up top.


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Recoome

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posted October 22, 2000 01:25 AM

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Is that what was actually said during the third debate? Bush had some good comebacks...


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Dirk Diggler

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posted October 22, 2000 07:53 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Recoome:
Is that what was actually said during the third debate? Bush had some good comebacks...

unfortunately no
those comments are what the federalist editors wish he would have said


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d1734

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posted October 22, 2000 05:20 PM

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its too bad bush didnt really come back like that...damn. no one (except a few stubborn women) would be for Gore after that.


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