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Author | Topic: hey matt .........check this out....... everyone gets to wear a black beret | ||
Pro Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 567 |
Tuesday October 17 6:39 PM ET Coming Soon: Soldiers in Berets
WASHINGTON (AP) - In a symbolic fashion statement, the chief of the Army said Tuesday that the beret - for decades the distinctive headgear of elite Army units - will become standard issue for all soldiers. Soldiers who now wear the fold-up ``overseas'' cap, the saucer-like ``service'' cap, or the baseball-style ``battle dress uniform'' cap will instead wear a black beret. Helmets, of course, will still be worn in combat. Army chief of staff Gen. Eric Shinseki said in a surprise announcement that the change will take effect next June 14, the Army's birthday. ``When we wear the black beret it will say that we, the soldiers of the world's best army, are committed to making ourselves even better,'' Shinseki said in a speech to the annual convention of the Association of the United States Army, a booster organization. He said the beret would be a ``symbol of unity.'' Aides to Shinseki said they expected some grumbling, particularly among Army Rangers who already wear black berets. Emmett Hiltibrand, a retired Ranger and Vietnam veteran who is president of the 75th Ranger Regiment Association, said in a telephone interview from Columbus, Ga., that he was appalled by Shinseki's decision. ``It's going to look silly,'' Hiltibrand said, and will erode some of the distinction of being a Ranger. ``The beret is a symbol of excellence,'' he said. ``It is not to be worn by everybody, every Tom, Dick and Harry.'' On the other hand, Col. Vince Ogilvie, a Pentagon public affairs officer who previously served as a member of the 82nd Airborne, the paratroops who wear maroon berets, cheered the move. ``I personally like the beret,'' he said. ``From my point of view, it's a great idea. It really looks great with the uniform.'' He added that he understood that Rangers would take a different point of view. Shinseki said introducing the black beret as standard headgear for soldiers will symbolize the new-look Army. He said he got the idea last week when he officiated at a change-of-command ceremony for the U.S. Army Special Operations Command, whose soldiers include the so-called Green Berets who specialize in guerrilla warfare, cover action, infiltration behind enemy lines and sometimes training foreign forces. ``As I stood looking at those (soldiers), I was reminded of the special significance that the beret has come to symbolize for the United States Army,'' Shinseki said. ``It is time for the entire Army to accept the challenge of excellence that has so long been a hallmark of our special operations and airborne units.'' Army paratroops will continue to wear their maroon berets and Army rangers already wear black berets. Shinseki portrayed his announcement as fitting a broader plan for transforming the Army, still burdened by Cold War-era equipment, attitudes and practices, into a more high-tech, adaptable and unified organization ready to confront the diverse security challenges of the 21st century. Shinseki, who took over the top Army post in July 1999, said he is preparing to ``make our case'' for an increase in the size of the Army, which is authorized to have 480,000 soldiers on active duty. The Army chief did not say how big an increase he expected to push for, but 40,000 has been mentioned by some. Shinseki said that in order to relieve stress on the force he was doing away with weekend work for soldiers and arranging for four-day weekends in connection with all federal holidays. He ordered strict limits on the number of cases in which units are asked to make short-notice deployments that take them away from home. He also is seeking ways to make school transfers easier for soldiers' children. ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Elite Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 714 |
This is a stupid fucking band-aid solution to the massive problem of eroding morale in the Army. The beret was always a mark of distinction for certain groups within the military: Airborne, Rangers, Special Forces. This just cheapens it. If the Democrats had been paying the troops what they deserve, perhaps morale would be better. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 130 |
I agree with Weapon X, this is bullshit. Why don't they give us better living conditions,Fair pay,Less time keeping the "peace" in other countries. Looks like they are going to put us Rangers in Green berets, we don't want that either. Being a soldier these days is like being a second class citizen. OUT. ------------------ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Elite Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1114 |
Can't we get a color...black is sooo blah ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1580 |
i voted for purple fuzzy kangols... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Novice ![]() Posts: 2 |
I think it is a good idea, it will help the moral and also help with enlistments. I went through Army training for the National Guard before I decided to do the real deal and joined the Marines. ------------------ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Elite Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1074 |
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Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 3395 |
I agree with WeaponX. While I am not a soldier, I understand the distinction that earning the beret meant. It is like earning your right to be a Marine Recon. Except in our case we do not distinguish through the uniform. I don't think it will help morale in the least, nor do I think not working on weekends will help either. WTF four day weekends for all federal holidays. Give me a break. You train men to be pussies and that is what you get in combat, a bunch of pussies. You guys need a new general in charge, this one is gonna screw you all up. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1678 |
I just heard about this last night. I think it's a bad idea. Morale won't improve at all. For the non-military types: Wearing a black beret has always meant being a part of the Ranger Regiment (or Ranger battalions back in the day). These units have very high morale and the beret is a symbol of that, but it had to be earned. It wasn't the beret that increased morale, it was the challenges one endured and overcame to earn the right to wear it. This is a poor decision. Matt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Elite Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 714 |
If I were still on active duty, I would be ashamed to put on a black beret if I had not earned it. I remember when we'd see a black beret on base in Frankfurt. Everybody would stop to look in a kind of awe. Maybe Gore thinks that giving the Israelis Jerusalem t-shirts will make them feel better, too. ------------------ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Elite Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 646 |
Why don't they give Rangers a new symbol of excellence? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Pro Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 567 |
problem is that most army top brass cant stand the rangers they dont believe in so called "elite" units when i was in we were making the transition from wearing jungle fatigues to the current "duck hunting" uniforms worn today i can just see some fat ass pregnant finance clerk waddling through the chow line sporting her new black beret whatever...... its just a hat ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2718 |
FUCK!!!! I would really like to comment on this, but I'm atb a loss here....I can't remember how many ass whippings we dished out because some leg was wearing the beret without earning it...Thank God I'm out...BUT, I still care, and always will!!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1678 |
Ranger, I hear you. And Dirk, right on: they can never wear the scroll. Frack: I understand that Rangers will now wear green berets. Rangers' displeasure with this is not a slap in the face of Special Forces - but rather a lament at the blurring of the lines of elite units. Rangers and Special Forces have inherently different missions. They are not the same thing. Each takes deserved pride in being the best at what they do, but they do different things. Hence, different berets. It's buillshit. Matt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
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Novice ![]() Posts: 2 |
Everybody in the Marine Corp wears the same bad-ass uniform. It doesn't matter if you're Infantry/Force Recon or Marine Corp. Band. Doesn't seem to be hurting the Corp., if anything it helps it. ------------------ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1012 |
I really have no comment on this issue either way.....however, Brotha Diggler would you please clarify the "fat ass pregnant finance clerk" thing for me?.....what about the fat ass finance clerks who are GUYS?! ...and I take offense to the waddling comment as well. I NEVER waddled, only delicately sashayed, actually it was more like floating on a gentle breeze. Well, as best as I could while carrying a 35 pound bowling ball w/arms and legs that never held still for more than 5 minutes always pulling my spine or crushing a nerve or blood vessel or a small bowel or (this is the one I LOVED THE MOST) when the not-so-little bugger jumped up and down on a full bladder. Now THAT WAS FUN! So, my brotha while I can somewhat understand your displeasure about this ruling, don't misdirect your anger towards females merely because they are holding a job while also giving life. ------------------ [This message has been edited by bikinimom (edited October 18, 2000).] ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 207 |
that sucks ass!!! to be honest i am glad that i am out anyway. there is just way too damn much political bs going on in the army nowadays. when i was getting out at ft. bragg we couldn't even sing some cadences because they weren't politically correct, what a crock of shit!!! later ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Elite Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 714 |
bikinimom, take no offense: as a former Army NCO, I will state that due to the different physical standards for the women, there was huge number of fat, lazy, slow women in uniform. We can't discriminate, so they are allowed to stay in. The men would groan whenever one of teh women was put on a work detail with them, because they knew that they would usually not produce. I can't tell you how many cows were in my unit alone. ------------------ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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