What the fuck is wrong with those psychotic motherfuckers in the Middle East. They need some serious mental help. They killed 17 fucking sailors and injured many more. That kinda shit scares me to death. It makes me realize that something like that could very easily happen to my boyfriend and that scares the hell out of me. What is there problem over there. Why do they fight because of their religion? What's the big deal? They almost seem uncivilized. This shit has been going on over there for thousands of years. You'd think they would have learned by now. And why does the United States always have to get dragged into there problems? Yeah, we are the strongest country in the world and have the strongest military but they should deal with their own problems. We should stay out of it. Let them figure out things themselves. Make them learn how to be civilized on their own. Either that or let someone else help them out for once. It's like we have to baby all the other countries. We're the youngest country and we're playing the parents in the world. And how can you even pick a side in this situation. Both the Palestinians and the Isrealies have fucked up severely. I call bullshit.

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IN IRON WE TRUST.

HEAVEN IS THE BACKSEAT OF MY CADILLAC.

HEY ITS THERON!!!!!!! LETS KILL HIM!

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IN IRON WE TRUST.

HEAVEN IS THE BACKSEAT OF MY CADILLAC.

HEY ITS THERON!!!!!!! LETS KILL HIM!

You working for the Democratic Party again?

Clinton is a terrible leader, a man wiothout any courage or integirity. As commander in chief, he has been a dismal failure.

He screwed up in Somalia by not allowing US Armor into the area despite the fact that the mission of seizing Aidid required it. why? He was afraid to escalate the diplomatic situation. So American soldiers got dragged through the streets.

where were his advisors then? Les Aspin, that Sec. of Defense faggot - telling him we needed the fuckin tanks?

How long have our guys been in eastern europe? Like six years, and just now we are getting Milosevic out of there....whereas if we wanted him out it should have happened in a day....

And now this Middle east thing - Clinton pushed so hard for peace and almost got war - he fucked that up too looking for a legacy besides disgrace.

Do you think the current economic success have anything to do with Clinton? nope.

the economic success we currently enjoy is doe to men like Michael Dell, Bill Gates, Larry ellsion, jeffrey Yang -Yahoo.com- and other internet and computer visionaries.

Clinton has been a turd.

Matt

And if I remember correctly, speaking of dishonesty, how many Republicans resigned/terminated/indicted in Reagan's administration? 200+?

And didn't Clinton come from a relatively poor background and work his way up, as opposed to the blue-blooded Bush and Gore? If I could pick one of the three, Bush, Gore, or Clinton to be the next president, I'd pick Clinton. No fucking way Bush or Gore could have made it to where they are if it wasn't for their parents.

SERIOUSLY,
I DO NOT AFFILIATE MYSELF WITH ANY PARTY.I BELIEVE IN CHOOSING THE RIGHT MAN FOR THE JOB.COLIN POWELL WOULD BE MY CHOICE,BUT WHAT CAN WE DO?I HAVENT DECIDED YET AS TO WHO ILL VOTE FOR,BUT ILL CHOOSE WHO IN MY MIND IS RIGHT.I WILL NOT CHOOSE BASED ON PARTY AFFILIATION.

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IN IRON WE TRUST.

HEAVEN IS THE BACKSEAT OF MY CADILLAC.

HEY ITS THERON!!!!!!! LETS KILL HIM!

i'm realy feel for the sailors families, and i hope they would be the last.

the way i see it, the last couple of weeks had been mybe the worst for me , i used to
be realy pro peace- having friends die on me was realy hard but they were soliders, and when it happen in S.Lebanon i've delt with it and protested for peace (on my time off the army).
when it happend in the pelstine teritories i've delt with it and protested for peace.
that was alost 2 years ago, now i'm a student (finished my 3 years mandatory in the army), and now i'm a civilian (and like most people -reservist).

during the last weeks 2 reservist (civilians like me) were butcherd by a mass of animalls (baisclly torn to pieces by thousends), after taken into castidy (spl?) by paletinian police.

today i've found out that an israli buisness man while in europe (he wasn't an active reservist for awhile now) was kidnapt by the hesbula.

both palestinians and hesbula had maid this an religion war (jihad-inwhice it's a command
to kill the unfaithfull.)
i've find it very hard this days to belive that peace is an option.

P.S.
for as far as i can remember those of our neigbhors that have chosen jihad as their cause, allways had the same ideas about israel and the usa (also known as big devil= usa and lil devil=israel).

~leaf~

Anaconda, you are right my friend, Jesus is the only true King, but the Jews rejected him before, and they cursed themselves, that's why they are suffering all this stuff.

Just when it looks like pure war is going to erupt, that's when "The true Messiah" (The Anticrist) will appear. I hopefully won't be here for that, in the meanwhile, just tryin' to get bigger...

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Particle Weapon...UP YOUR ASS!!

To all of you people who refuse to think Globally and only care for the security of the United States and its citizens.........suck it.

To all you people who believe that we shouldn't have a presence politically and militarily in other countries........you're ignorant and you can suck it too.

To all you people who downplay the role that religion is playing in this conflict..........suck it, but lick my tant first.

To all of you people who have developed your opinion based strictly on media coverage........suck it a few times.

And last but not least, to the misinformed Christians who brought something up about a "Jewish curse"............I can't totally agree with that.

Now on to what I'm really trying to say.

Morality, ethical responsibility, and self protection are exactly why we (THE U.S.) gets involved around the globe. When humans on this planet are suffering, being murdered, or are in some kind of crisis; they need a voice. When they do not have that voice we provide them with one. When terrorists or aggressive nations cause chaos, we intervene for the sake of the oppressed and for our own safety. You see, by just letting the rest of the world do what it likes, you open the door for wars to break out, wide spread terrorism to occur, non-nuclear and nuclear arms races, diseases to spread, people to starve, etc.
The ethical implications are enough reason for us to get involved, but all of these examples that I give would undoubtedly become domestic problems if let alone for too long. You see friends, if we were the type of country that merely minded our own business, we would probably be in one of two predicaments right now; either under the rule of Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan or fighting Russian communism off of our borders. We get involved for the sake of the world as well as ourselves.
Secondly, to call people who fight for their beliefs and faith, immature or psychotic is simply idiotic. You have no idea what kind of situation the people of Israel are dealing with. They are a lone Jewish state surrounded by countries populated by inhabitants who believe that America is "the great Satan" and that Jews have no right to be in Israel. In extreme cases the killing of Americans and Israelis is considered a religious achievement. We here in America loosely abide by a moral code, based on Judia/Christian ethics. Regardless of your own faith you cannot deny that the religious solidarity shared by the Jews of Israel easily ranks them as the most ethically upstanding society in the world. It is a sociological fact that Jews are the most cohesive religious group on the planet. This is because they have been ridiculed, banished, and slaughtered throughout the course of history. I'm sure you have heard of the holocaust. After such an event, how could you ever blame the Jewish people for standing firm? I applaud them for their strength and resilience, and I am glad that they will never allow themselves to be pushed over again. They are surrounded by those who wish the same fate for their people as Adolf Hitler did. However, they are ready and they are strong this time around and they will never allow such an event to ever happen again. They have a country that is roughly the size of New Jersey and they are surrounded by a Muslim region that is nearly the size of the entire United States. They should not be asked to give up what little they already have. They fought long and hard for their sovereignty and let them do whatever it takes to keep it.
Oh and to my fellow Christians, let's not forget that the Jews are Gods chosen people and that Jesus himself was a Jew. With that in mind, think of just how inappropriate it is to say that "Jews are cursed."

-Peace-

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"There is no shame in losing...Only winning without honor."

- Kwai-Chang Caine

i know u guys are too far away from this problem but u have to read and learn from anywhere else beside the zionist ruled mass media in america ! ,

and for the ppl that dont believe this is only 52 year old problem i tell them that there werent a jewish land acroos history beside the one made b4 musseh "sp" then for more than 2 thousand years they were living separatly in many lands ,,

I think most Americans can't believe how two groups of people can't get along because of differences in religion...Even as modern tech has gone into that region, look at the standard of living alot have compared to us here in the U.S.

to many here it seems like a foreign idea to fight over religion now....The groups of people haven't evolved their minds for in my opinion along long time...I do not see why two people just can't leave each other alone on this...

But I understand how people get mad when land is taken away based on ones race, and religous beliefs just so the ruling party can give it to one of theirs....I saw a segment on CNN about a disscusion group with Israel americans and Palestine americans who have been meeting and talking for 8 years...One of the men a Palestinian has held the deed to some land in Jeurislam (pardon my spelling) since 2 years before Israel became a country...and his land was taken away by the israely govt...During some military conquests...

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Particle Weapon...UP YOUR ASS!!

Amassing Concrete Evidence Against Concrete Mass

Concrete Mass, there are about 20 million Jews in the world (that's including Israel and Jewish communities everywhere else). As far as I know, Christian Arabs (I'm going to include all their denominations, like the Maronites in Lebanon, the Copts in Egypt, the Monophosytes of both Iraq and Syria, and the Greek Orthodox and Catholic believers spread throughout the region) number about half a million, if that. So, you're WAY OFF on that one Concrete Mass; stop talking out of your ass, bro. At least get your facts first, and then argue.

What the fuck is this "Zionist Ruled Media" you speak of, Concrete Mass? Is it news that's not been filtered through the official censorhip apparatus that you have in Egypt? In case you didn't know, I'll let you in on a little secret: you live in a Third World dictatorial regime that's been promoted here in the West as a moderate, and fairly democratic Arab state. You know it's a fucking lie. When was the last time you had presidential elections? Stop living in denial, bro. We live in a FREE country, where if one desires to get their information from an independent source, they can do so. In your country, on the other hand, there are government papers as well as opposition papers. Both, however, are censored by the government so as to create an image of democracy for the US. We in return, give you billions in financial aid, so that you would stay happy and well-fed. Here is where your argument, or lack thereof, completely falls apart. Why would America ruled and controlled by "Zionists" (by the way, do you EVEN KNOW what Zionism means?) give Egypt, or any Arab nation for that matter, billions of $$$ in aid? Wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose of "oppressing the Arab"? Concrete Mass, I hate to tell you this but you've been lied to all your life. I guess ignorance is bliss, eh?

Alleviating Texas Fever Symptoms in TxCollegeguy

TxCollegeguy, stop treating the Jews as if they're passive subjects, incapable of determining their own fate. "I think giving the Jews that land after world war 2 was a mistake"? What are you talking about? They weren't given a homeland; they fought for and earned their country. That is where they're from: the Jews became a nation in that part of the world. That's why they have that name, 'Jews', which means that they're from Judea, a region that's also called the West Bank or Transjordan. After the Romans crushed a Jewish revolt and drove the majority of the Jewish people out of their land, the Jews reorganized and established communities elsewhere in the Mediterranean, eventually migrating to other regions as well. However, a minority of Jews was allowed to stay in the Roman province of Judea; there's has been uninterrupted Jewish presence in Palestine for over 3,000 years.

But no matter where the Jews went, they remembered where they came from, taught their children their national language (as a liturgical language), and remained a people apart from the rest. Because of the adherence to their traditions, they have been mistreated for centuries, in both Christian Europe and the Islamic world. The Jews also did not have any political power and were unable to protect themselves from abuse. In both Europe and the Middle East, they were rendered unarmed, and therefore unfree, by various statutes that strictly controlled their lives. When European Jews were finally given equal citizenship rights (in theory) in the 19th century, European anti-Semitism intensified instead of subsiding. This further proved to Jews everywhere that they formed a nation and needed to go back to their homeland. Vicious anti-Semitism in Europe continued to claim more and more Jewish lives (mostly in eastern Europe, places like Poland and the Russian Empire). This racist frenzy reached its peak during WWII, when the Nazis and their collaborators murdered more than five million Jews. So after all this shit, you expect the Jews to sit back and take abuse AGAIN? Get used to the fact that the Jews are no longer under the boot of those who hate them: they have their country back, and they themselves, and not you or some other random dude on the street, will make decisions concerning the future of their state.

Like I've said before, we'll have peace in this world when IGNORANCE is eradicated. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen anytime soon.

Maybe the history books I read in school have been wrong...I thought the United Nations was the one that said they recognized Israel as a country and then over the years they were given more acceptance by other nations...I wasn't aware they had a sizable state their untill the major imigration of Jewish Settlers after world war 2...As far as what they fought and won then so be it thats why wars are fought. I never once said I wanted to make the choices for them...I believe in the total opposite that THEY NOT THE U.S. including myself should make their choices and further more I do not believe we should aid them in their choices by risking lives of U.S. citizens. Selling them arms would be one thing but IF and I was Saying IF the U.S. tries to get involved with the military I do not believe we can do so without a draft therefore I said that I am not going to be Lending my time or body in helping that cause.

Maybe the history book I read vs whats happened are 2 different things...But I also understand from first hand accounts I have heard from Palestinian as well as Israel citizens that the Israel Govt hasn't been very friendly to those who owned land and were Palestianian. Are the Palestianians who live in that area considered citizens of that country? or are they considered something else??I only brought up that CNN story because I agreed that Man who is now an American citizen had a wrong comitted against him...

I do not view Jews as passive subjects for I understand very well the problems with Religous persecution with my own experiences...At least it seems we both agree that Hate contributed by race and religion have no place anywhere. That goes both ways, Jews should treat the Palestianians and the Palestianians should treat the Jews more respectable

I thankyou for history lesson as some of those details were not always brought up in the main stream lessons and lectures I have heard.

Nationhood and Jerusalem

� Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before
the rise of Islam. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying
themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades
after the establishment of the modern State of Israel. � Since the
Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over
the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the
land for the past 3,300 years. The only Arab dominion since the
conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years. �

For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital
Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity.
Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought
to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit. �
Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy
Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. � King
David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to
Jerusalem. � Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their
backs toward Jerusalem.

Arab and Jewish Refugees

In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab
leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent
left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. The Jewish refugees were
forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution
and pogroms. � The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948
is estimated to be around 630,000.

The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be
the same. � Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or
integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast
Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II,
theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been
absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish
refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger
than the state of New Jersey.

The Arab - Israeli Conflict

� The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not
including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. � The
Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself
each time and won. � The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the
destruction of the State of Israel.

Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land,
autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them
with weapons. � Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were
desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of
worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been
preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs

� Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97
were directed against Israel. � Of the 690 General Assembly
resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

Iran:
Shi'a Muslim 89%,
Sunni Muslim 10%,
Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian, and Baha'i 1%

Iraq:
Muslim 97% (Shi'a 60%-65%, Sunni 32%-37%),
Christian or other 3%

Lebanon:
Islam 70%
Christian 30%
Judaism NEGL%

Saudi Arabia:
Muslim 100%

Jordan:
Sunni Muslim 96%,
Christian 4%

Syria:
Sunni Muslim 74%,
Alawite, Druze, and other Muslim sects 16%,
Christian 10%,
Jewish (tiny communities in Damascus, Al Qamishli, and Aleppo)

and it's mostly the same for the entire Arab middle east, (i was the 'uneducated' who said that there aren't too many Christian Arabs in the middle east)

hey, txcollege, in 1987 (i think) the Israeli Army went into Iraq and annhialated a nuclear reactor capable of producing atomic weaponry(sp?), now, we both know, that Mr. Hussein would not hesistate one second in using this on the United States...

"The Jews are Jews, whether Labor or Likud... They do not have any moderates or any advocates of peace. They are all liars... O brother believers, the criminals, the terrorists are the Jews, who have butchered our children, orphaned them, widowed our women and desecrated our holy places and sacred sites. They are the terrorists. They are the ones who must be butchered and killed, as Allah the Almighty said: 'Fight them: Allah will torture them at your hands, and will humiliate them and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers... The cost and the dowry of this bride, the dowry of this paradise, is that we fight in the path of Allah, and kill and be killed.

"Allah has purchased from the believers their persons and their property in return for the promise that they shall have paradise, for they fight in the cause of Allah, and they slay the enemy and are slain. This is a promise that He [Allah] has made incumbent upon Himself, as set out in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Koran. The Jews are the allies of the Christians, and the Christians are the allies of the Jews, despite the enmity that exists between them.
The enmity between the Jews and the Christians is deep, but all of them are in agreement against the monotheists against those who say, 'There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger,' that is they are against you, O Muslims.