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Celt

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posted October 13, 2000 12:45 AM

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I have a few questions that require some insight on cloning...

1. If you were to clone a human would it be an exact copy, or almost exact copy?
2. If DNA is shown to correlate somewhat to age (I heard that a goat or pig had been cloned, and it aged faster due to the fact that the DNA had begun shrinking/aging) then Would the copy/infant at birth be as mature as the original.
3. If everything in the body is mapped by DNA then would the original's brain be identical to the clone's brain...and would the memory be the same to that point?
4. If we as humans have a soul, which cannot be proven nor disproven, then where would the clone get the soul? I don't think that a soul, if it exists just appears.

Just some stupid brainstorming...but think of the ramifications human cloning will have on religious beliefs. Not just the cloning of Jesus...highly unlikely...but the origin or the soul or lack there of.

PS - Someone put the commands in a reply and explain to me how to load my signature...I have tried. I have a signature downloaded to my hard drive, and loaded in html on Homestead.com, but I am not sure what I am doing wrong trying to load it to this site.

Thanks!


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THE STEEL BEAST

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posted October 13, 2000 12:48 AM

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THE FOURTH ONE IS EASY.THERES NO SUCH THING AS A SOUL.NEVER HAS BEEN NEVER WILL BE.I THINK THERES MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE THAT NONE EXSISTS.SOUL IS AS WORTHLESS AS TITS ON SANTA CLAUSES WIFE.

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magic storm

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posted October 13, 2000 01:00 AM

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I would clone myself.


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Twisted91

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posted October 13, 2000 01:13 AM

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This is a touchy subject for many theologians and it's unfortunate that The Steel beast doesn't believe we have souls.
Anyway, if you do happen to belive we have souls then if identical twins have souls so would a clone, although unethical. As far as sharing the same brain that would be true, however it's our one personal expiences that creates the majority of our brain.Although it may have some effect on certian choices and predisposition for some psychological faults. I'm not a nueroligist but just my opinion.


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Celt

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posted October 13, 2000 01:26 AM

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Twins have souls...ok, but they are two different people who share similar traits.

Clones are the same person. If the sould does exist thenI don't think an original and a copy can share the same soul, and I don't think that a copy would just HAVE a soul.

The brain thing...Our memories are consequence of environmental experiences...ok, but if the copy has the same brain as the original - and DNA correlates to age (the brain in the original is the same age as the copy) then why wouldn't they share the same memories? Electrical impulses stimulate parts of the brain to activate memory...why would the copy with the same brain as the original not have the same memory when and if those same parts of the brain were stimulated by the same electrical impulses?


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THE STEEL BEAST

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posted October 13, 2000 01:33 AM

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GIRLFRIENDS DAD IS A WELL KNOWN NEUROLOGIST.WWW.SUCCESSTECHNOLOGIES.COM


HE SAYS A SOUL DOES NOT EXSIST WHATSOEVER,HOWEVER IN THE CASE OF TWINS THE MISNOMER OF A "SOUL" CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO HAVING THE SAME GENETIC MAKE UP WITH THE PROPENSITY TO RADIATE AND EQUATE SIMILAR BRAIN WAVES,THIS BEING FROM DNA FROM THE SAME EMBRYO.EMAIL HIM IF YOUD LIKE.HE IS THE AUTHOR OF OVER 20 BOOKS AND OVER 5000 ARTICLES IN JAMA.JOURNAL OF AMERICAN MEDICINE.

DONT FEEL SORRY FOR ME TWISTED.YOU HAVE NO SOUL EITHER.

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THE STEEL BEAST

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posted October 13, 2000 01:37 AM

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PLEASE CHECK OUT THIS MANS CREDENTIALS...SAUL SCHWARZ..........IM SURE HE CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THE NON EXSISTANCE OF A SOUL BETTER THAN I CAN. WWW.SUCCESSTECHNOLOGIES.COM

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Burnboy

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posted October 13, 2000 01:39 AM

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if you had a clone would it be ok to make him give you head? it wouldn't really make you gay it would be like masterbating.


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Twisted91

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posted October 13, 2000 01:47 AM

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Steel beast,it apears you friend does indeed
possess some prestigious credentials.

Celt if i have a scar obtained when i was a kid do you think my clone will also have the same scar?


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Celt

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posted October 13, 2000 02:45 AM

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I don't know, of course, but my guess would be no.

Your DNA carries the genes to duplicate your body, organs, blood, etc.

Your scar would be the result of some experience, not specific to your DNA.

I would argue, mainly because I am interested, that your clone would have the memory of recking on your bike, because the brains would have developed and retained the same memories (for lack of a more technical term).


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