thats just creepy, extremely attractive to me, but creepy nevertheless

its like:

1.Israel goes to war with the entire middle east and most of North Africa
2.America intervenes to aid Israel
3.Russia intervenes to contest American influence in the region, thus basically making them a part of the opposition.
4.Our european allies then make their presence known in the region to neautralize Russia.
5.The conflict spreads and next thing you know, we have Pakistan and India in the middle of this.
6.China sensing that America has bitten off more than it can chew, begins to put pressure back on Taiwan.
7.An unstable political climate world wide causes relations between North and South Korea to crumble once again.

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HEAVEN IS THE BACKSEAT OF MY CADILLAC.

HEY ITS THERON!!!!!!! LETS KILL HIM!

1.Israel goes to war with the entire middle east and most of North Africa

Most Arab nations do not share a border with Israel, so that would mean they will need to coordinate their actions and stand united, and that's not going to happen because even the most advanced Arab countries, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, do not have highly centralized governments necessary to organize a military assault against a first-class army (there's a reason why they're considered "developing nations"). That means most of these countries will just allow angry mobs to protest against Israel, and maybe cut their diplomatic ties with Israel (Egypt and Jordan will probably do that).

2.America intervenes to aid Israel

Nah, the Israelis will have kicked all their asses by then, if there's going to be any violence at all, specifically along the border with Lebanon and Syria, cause Egypt and Jordan would not go to war with the Israelis for the reasons that have already been mentioned. Plus, Egypt is our little bitch: we give them billions every year so that they remain peaceful and happy.

3.Russia intervenes to contest American influence in the region, thus basically making them a part of the opposition.

This definitely won't happen. The Russians have one of the weakest armies in Europe right now, and they will not jeopardize their precarious position in Chechnya by siding with Muslims. The Russians are still fighting Islamic Chechen rebels in the Caucasus (that whole area is actually considered a northern tier of the Middle East, along with Turkey and Iran), so I really doubt they will want to support radical Muslims in the heart of the Arab world. Plus, Russia gets so much money from us, that it would be pretty damn stupid of them to do anything that would upset us.

4.Our european allies then make their presence known in the region to neautralize Russia.

Our strongest European allies, Britain, France, and Germany, will probably play a more prominent diplomatic role in the weeks to come. If we do get involved, militarily that is, then I expect the Brits will step in and help us out. The French are not going to do shit. Besides being the most respected Western nation among the Arabs, they also have a sizeable Arab minority living in France (close to 6 million according to the latest census), which means lots of civil unrest if they openly side with US and Israel.

5.The conflict spreads and next thing you know, we have Pakistan and India in the middle of this.

India is actually an ally of Israel, and they will do everything in their power to neutralize the situation on their northwestern border. Pakistan is much weaker economically than India, therefore, they don't have the money to finance such a costly conflict, and the Arab world is sure not going to give money to Pakistan when they themselves will need every dime to fund the Palestinian Jihad.

6.China sensing that America has bitten off more than it can chew, begins to put pressure back on Taiwan.

The Chinese don't need to prove themselves: economically, they're the most powerful country in Asia (excluding Japan). They wouldn't risk a great economic relationship that they have with us on something as trivial as Taiwan. Why occupy a tiny island and lose billions of dollars in profit?

7.An unstable political climate world wide causes relations between North and South Korea to crumble once again.

Nope, I don't think that will happen either. North Korea is basically a feudal country with nukes, where more than half the population is starving on a daily basis. They need money and food from the South, and they ain't gonna do shit to anger their Southern brethren.

Politics is subjective. Money is objective.

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Originally posted by TheOneNooneInTheirRightMindShouldEnvy:
All I know is the United States needs to keep its nose out of everyones buisness, and stop beng the world police.
United States can pick on all the small middle eastern countrys and tell them what to do, but the day the United States trys to fuc wth Russa or China is when the world will come to an end.
You can say Russia has a weak army but they have enough nukes to destroy the world 20 times over and they are unstable enough to use them.
Another thing that pisses me off is United States always has to back the damn jews in Isreal.

If the world was atheist there would be no wars. Fucking religion is the culprit and cause!!

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"The damn jews in Isreal"? What the fuck? Watch your language, little buddy. They are our only real ally in the Middle East after Turkey; if all hell breaks loose, they will be the ones protecting OUR interests in the area.

Good shit. Right on.

TheOneYouEnvy: change your handle to "TheOneWithShitForBrains".

The "interest" in the Middle East that we need Israel for is called OIL. In case you got here yesterday, it's the blood this country runs on. Based on your level of understanding, I would bet you aren't even old enough to drive, so you don't understand what paying $5 a gallon for gas would mean.

Kwai-Chang - Good thoughts, but farfetched.

Matt

Every year we send them BILLIONS of dollars in aid with absolutely nothing in return, if fact, As far as i can tell they're nothing more than a burden on the US economy.

As far as oil, israel has none, and every country containing oil in that area detests Israel, even Kuwait. Our affiliation with the state of israel would do more harm than good when analyzing international relations.

Yes, we give more money to Israel than any other country. From a purely American standpoint:

What they give us in return, short-sighted one, is a voice in the Middle East.

Oil-producing countries have us by the balls. Most of them, are in the Middle East. These countries detest us also.

Israel gives them a reason to listen when we speak. They voice many of our concerns, and since they are right in the center of the region, these other countries have to take notice.

Should it ever come to pass, it would also be a staging point for an invasion, because maybe next time the Saudi's won't be so cooperative.

They need us. We need them.

The needless aid we provide israel with is indirectly funding they're military endeavours. Does a country the size of NY really need nuclear arms? As far as i can tell, the billions of dollars we send to the albatross we call israel, is a result of powerful lobbyist pressure. You know who's holding the cards.

SnapperHead, I'm confused with the logic that you present in your argument. So you're saying it all boils down to the unchallenged influence a certain lobby in the US? Powerful lobbyist pressure = rich Jews? Using codewords like that only exposes your prejudice driven ignorance; say what you really mean, and don't be a pussy about it.

we had several wars here in wich we fought all ourn eibhoring countries that were suported by unites from countries in the golf, and basiclly they way i see it if a major war would sturt ,zilion of volentires would come from every self respecting islamic county.
let me give u another scenario: an islamic group feels it's time for the final stage and thinks about comiting a nobel did (keep in mind that for those people-diynig while trying to kill your enemy is the most holy thing) and they decsid to use A-bomb or bio/chimical method, what do u think would happen than.
again these people do not think in any way that i or u can understand.

about that -we give tham guns we trained them- israeli strtegy is as far from american as one can imegine-we try to pikup good stuff from all kind of source and it was developed during 50 years of fighting.we are not some Samarican country (no flaming)
that have some sort of CIA trainers.

we give tham guns yep that right-THANKS i realy liked my short M16.

why do u ask , yes it is a voice thing-but i'm talking about a sane voice-israel is the only democracy in the mid-east and allways see eye to eye with u guys. (just recently israel canceld somee aincent technology to china cause the americans said so-and just b4
the shit hit the fan here-it was all over the news that an american comany with more modern hitech would basiclly do the trade with china)
israel is also a navel base for your navy in bothe the mid-east, amd the red sea.
israeli soliders do.
(yes egypt and turky are also ellies but some how i feel that we are more trust wordy)
israel is also have diff arsenals here that r availbel to your army incase of need.
israel work with the US on diff millitry gear, and is being used as a teatins field for them.

*as far as i can remeber when islamic fantics were burning flags it was allways the big devil=US + the lil devil israel, those guys dont like u just as much as they dont like us & if we were gone it would have been u (did u ever herd ben-laden).

Lets say we have a huge world war and it last for decades. At the end of the war China and Russia become alies and the U.S. gets the shit beat out of it. Russia and China decide to give the U.S. to Africa and kick us all off our land because The Africans wern't treated very well during the war.

We are all kicked out of our homes and our land is given to the Africans even though we didn't even do anything to them during the war. We are forced to leave the country and seek refuge in some other land.

Does this sound firmiliar ?

Well this is something like what the Arabs had to deal with when the United Nations decided to make Israel a state and give them complete control over the land that both them and the Arabs had been sharring for probobly a thousand years. When the League OF Nations was dissamteled and the United Nations was created that was one of the first things they did. The Jew's were given complete control over the land. They were also given military force to back them up and all the assistance they wanted from the United Nations including help with booting the Arabs off the land. The Arabs were left with nothing and were forced to seek refuge in some of the other Arabic counties.

This is what has sparked the war between the Arabs and the Jews for the last 50 odd years.
I for one am on the Arabs side and I completely understand them hating Americans with all the bullshit we put them through.

I think you should go back and actually read the last few posts thoroughly then come back and post a response. I think you missed the point. It said nothing about some country actually taking over the U.S. It was an analogy. Please excuse any typo's.

Pathetic, why is fighting for your beliefs pathetic? We here in the US fight for our beliefs, the belief in Liberty, happiness, freedom and so forth. Further I don't see the Jewish people forming open terrorist groups and bombing innocent civilians, men women, children, infants in the name of God.

Give me a break, I have never had an Israeli kill one of my friends or brothers. Yet in the last 17 years, the terrorist groups formed of arabs and palestinians and others have murdered over 300 of my brethern. 243 of them were Marines that were sleeping. If it were up to me I would turn the middle east into a glass factory and be done with the whole damn thing.

The latest straw was bin laden attempting to sink a US Naval ship. I hope we hunt down that fucker and skin him alive and poor alcohol and salt all over him before he dies from being quartered.

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"There is no shame in losing...Only winning without honor."

- Kwai-Chang Caine

I would welcome many of yall to be a burden on my resources if that ever happens in my lifetime...especially those of you with military experience...If you can get along with others reguardless of their beliefs then your good enough for me...

To all of you people who refuse to think Globally and only care for the security of the United States and its citizens.........suck it.

To all you people who believe that we shouldn't have a presence politically and militarily in other countries........you're ignorant and you can suck it too.

To all you people who downplay the role that religion is playing in this conflict..........suck it, but lick my tant first.

To all of you people who have developed your opinion based strictly on media coverage........suck it a few times.

And last but not least, to the misinformed Christians who brought something up about a "Jewish curse"............I can't totally agree with that.

Now on to what I'm really trying to say.

Morality, ethical responsibility, and self protection are exactly why we (THE U.S.) gets involved around the globe. When humans on this planet are suffering, being murdered, or are in some kind of crisis; they need a voice. When they do not have that voice we provide them with one. When terrorists or aggressive nations cause chaos, we intervene for the sake of the oppressed and for our own safety. You see, by just letting the rest of the world do what it likes, you open the door for wars to break out, wide spread terrorism to occur, non-nuclear and nuclear arms races, diseases to spread, people to starve, etc.
The ethical implications are enough reason for us to get involved, but all of these examples that I give would undoubtedly become domestic problems if let alone for too long. You see friends, if we were the type of country that merely minded our own business, we would probably be in one of two predicaments right now; either under the rule of Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan or fighting Russian communism off of our borders. We get involved for the sake of the world as well as ourselves.
Secondly, to call people who fight for their beliefs and faith, immature or psychotic is simply idiotic. You have no idea what kind of situation the people of Israel are dealing with. They are a lone Jewish state surrounded by countries populated by inhabitants who believe that America is "the great Satan" and that Jews have no right to be in Israel. In extreme cases the killing of Americans and Israelis is considered a religious achievement. We here in America loosely abide by a moral code, based on Judia/Christian ethics. Regardless of your own faith you cannot deny that the religious solidarity shared by the Jews of Israel easily ranks them as the most ethically upstanding society in the world. It is a sociological fact that Jews are the most cohesive religious group on the planet. This is because they have been ridiculed, banished, and slaughtered throughout the course of history. I'm sure you have heard of the holocaust. After such an event, how could you ever blame the Jewish people for standing firm? I applaud them for their strength and resilience, and I am glad that they will never allow themselves to be pushed over again. They are surrounded by those who wish the same fate for their people as Adolf Hitler did. However, they are ready and they are strong this time around and they will never allow such an event to ever happen again. They have a country that is roughly the size of New Jersey and they are surrounded by a Muslim region that is nearly the size of the entire United States. They should not be asked to give up what little they already have. They fought long and hard for their sovereignty and let them do whatever it takes to keep it.
Oh and to my fellow Christians, let's not forget that the Jews are Gods chosen people and that Jesus himself was a Jew. With that in mind, think of just how inappropriate it is to say that "Jews are cursed."

-Peace-

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"There is no shame in losing...Only winning without honor."

- Kwai-Chang Caine

I suppose since I'm white it's my fault that blacks were slaves at one time too , isn't it? Get over that one to! You don't have to forget it but get over it!

Everyone should be treated equaly no matter what their ancesters have gone through in the past.

and on the "Gods chosen people thing" Get over that to!! You think everyone should treat them differently because you think they are "Gods chosen people" ?

and one more thing...GET OVER IT!!!!

-Peace-

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"There is no shame in losing...Only winning without honor."

- Kwai-Chang Caine

KC Caine, that's some good stuff: to the point, and yet in depth.

wow, that has got to be one of the top five most ignorant comments that i've heard in my entire life...."get over it"? were you born this stupid or do you work hard to get like this? do you even understand what happened? the systematic slaughter of over 6 million Jews..? roughly 1/3 of the entire Jewish population in the world!! do you really think it's wrong to try our hardest (diplomatically, militarly, etc..) to make absolutely CERTAIN that it NEVER happens again...?

"The Jews are Jews, whether Labor or Likud... They do not have any moderates or any advocates of peace. They are all liars... O brother believers, the criminals, the terrorists are the Jews, who have butchered our children, orphaned them, widowed our women and desecrated our holy places and sacred sites. They are the terrorists. They are the ones who must be butchered and killed, as Allah the Almighty said: 'Fight them: Allah will torture them at your hands, and will humiliate them and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers... The cost and the dowry of this bride, the dowry of this paradise, is that we fight in the path of Allah, and kill and be killed.

"Allah has purchased from the believers their persons and their property in return for the promise that they shall have paradise, for they fight in the cause of Allah, and they slay the enemy and are slain. This is a promise that He [Allah] has made incumbent upon Himself, as set out in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Koran. The Jews are the allies of the Christians, and the Christians are the allies of the Jews, despite the enmity that exists between them.
The enmity between the Jews and the Christians is deep, but all of them are in agreement against the monotheists against those who say, 'There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger,' that is they are against you, O Muslims.